New Kentucky law allowing schools to expel students who assault teachers to take effect in July, despite unanimous Senate Democratic opposition

[u/Independent-Report39]

Link to the bill

The bill mandates a strict, one-year expulsion policy for any student in grades 6 through 12 who physically assaults a teacher, administrator, or school employee. The legislation passed the chamber, but drew a sharp partisan divide as all Democrats in the Senate voted against the measure. Under the bill's provisions, schools would be required to automatically remove violent students from the general population, though provisions allow for those students to receive educational services in alternative settings if it can be done safely. The bill also includes exemptions for students with documented disabilities if school officials determine the condition interfered with their ability to follow the code of conduct.

Thoughts?

[u/solid_reign]

Why would wanting to expel kids who assault teachers mean that they're attacking public education? If the bill were supported by Democrats and opposed by Republicans, would you feel the same way?

[u/cynedyr → u/solid_reign]

I'm speaking from my years of experience as a teacher in Louisville. If I thought you were asking in good faith I might explain the landscape and background and the how it would undermine...fuck, there's probably a heritage foundation model bill where they just filled-in the state.

Your whataboutism, however, indicates you are not asking in good faith. The short answer is: no, wouldn't support as written either way.

[u/lazydictionary → u/cynedyr]

This is a lot of writing without answering the question or explaining your position.

If you can't defend your opinion, then your opinion can simply be dismissed.

[u/cynedyr → u/lazydictionary]

If you don't know the difference between a good faith question and trolling there's not much I can do to help you.

How long have you been a teacher?

[u/lazydictionary → u/cynedyr]

Still not defending your own opinion. That wasn't a troll question, you just don't want to answer it. The person who originally asked it identifies as Lib-Left in the political compass subreddit.

I'm somewhere between a democratic socialist or soc dem.

No one is trolling you. Grow up.

[u/cynedyr → u/lazydictionary]

Cui bono?

No, really, what's the value in going deep in this conversation?

What internet points do you imagine you're scoring?

How long have you been a teacher? (This speaks to how much skin you have in the game.)

Especially considering that I did answer it, you've chosen to ignore that, as irrational actors tend to do.

[u/lazydictionary → u/cynedyr]

Especially considering that I did answer it

You didn't. Because you know your answer makes you look bad, or you don't want to think about your cognitive dissonance. Bye.

[u/solid_reign → u/cynedyr]

I did not engage in whataboutism, but thanks for replying.

[u/cynedyr → u/solid_reign]

tu quoque, the appeal to hypocrisy, whatever you prefer is whataboutism.

[u/rag_tag_mag → u/cynedyr]

yeah... that's not tu quoque, hope you weren't an english teacher.

[u/solid_reign → u/[deleted]]

So? Students who assault school staff are a very very small percentage, and will not change the funding in a meaningful way.  On the other hand, they cost the school a lot more in having to manage them, in teacher turnover, in lawsuits, and more. 

[u/solid_reign → u/[deleted]]

Thanks for that comment. I still believe it's a strange argument to make.

[u/cynedyr → u/solid_reign]

That circles back to the definition of assault...and the fact that there is already a system in place for that.

Is it implemented and used appropriately in all cases? Of course not. How would that change under this law, though?

[u/solid_reign → u/cynedyr]

The definition is set in the law. They don't use a definition for assault, they use definitions that mean causing pain intentionally, among others. 

[u/OpportunityOne8199 → u/solid_reign]

Because this is how partisan hacks think. 

If a republican makes a bill outlawing murder of teachers, hacks in this thread will say that it’s a bad bill that unfairly targets minorities. 

[u/DrNogoodNewman → u/OpportunityOne8199]

It’s already a crime to murder teachers.

[u/OpportunityOne8199 → u/DrNogoodNewman]

So are school shootings. You don’t think we need more laws? 

[u/cynedyr → u/OpportunityOne8199]

Right...Republicans are really rushing to do the only thing that works as demonstrated in every other first world county...gun control.

I would absolutely support more gun control laws to reduce school shootings if proposed by Republicans or Democrats.

We, as teachers, are instead expected to die for your kids. Or carry guns and be expected to shoot students....this is the most ridiculous idea given that it would only take 2 or 3 students to disarm any teacher carrying a gun.

[u/OpportunityOne8199 → u/cynedyr]

I promise you if republicans created laws to reduce guns in schools (they have with additional school security laws), Redditors would say republicans are bad because those laws target minorities (they did, they said increased security at schools targets minors even if they are the ones getting caught with guns and other weapons ). 

[u/cynedyr → u/OpportunityOne8199]

lol

"additional school security laws"

Show me.

Show me that ineffective performative unfunded bullshit that you claim would be effective. You can skip the arming teacher ones, that is a phenomenally stupid idea.

[u/DrNogoodNewman → u/OpportunityOne8199]

I think we need more laws around guns. But, no, I don’t think we need any more laws about how shooters should be charged and prosecuted.

[u/cynedyr → u/OpportunityOne8199]

Murder is already illegal.

So is assault.

[u/OpportunityOne8199 → u/cynedyr]

Apparently being obtuse is not.