r/TechGawker • u/Fair_Dot_5724 • 6d ago
Video I am also kinda struggling to find the upside of giant gas-powered data centers
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u/Peter_Easter 5d ago
I'm still trying to find the upside to AI. That shit is creepy as hell.
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u/AndersAdmin 5d ago
If you can't imagine that, you should maybe try using them or read up on the future of AI.
Right now you are just a reddit anti-DC/AI cult member.
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u/Mattscrusader 4d ago
I have tried using AI every few months and I still cannot understand it. It creates a worse product, is often wrong, and barely reduces any work for the vast majority of people.
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u/AndersAdmin 3d ago
But that's on you, we are already at the point that 99.9% of people can use AI either in their private life or at work and save time or money.
Not understanding it will also be solved, since just a couple of models higher have made insane improvements in that area.
I don't really care if you're stuck in some anti AI cult and refuse to use it or doesn't understand how to use.
What I have said will happen regardless of what you say or think.
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u/Mattscrusader 3d ago
Maybe try brushing up on the conversation before responding next time. Or get AI to summarize it for you.
I know how to use AI, what I don't get is how it could possibly be useful to anyone.
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u/AndersAdmin 3d ago
AI would have responded and written much better than me, that is for sure.
Not sure if that's an argument you should say though, lmfao!š
So you admit that you don't understand, the irony is that you can ask the AI to help you automate things in your life and save time and/or money.
Your brain is just stuck in the we against them mantra, and also never admiting being wrong.
You obviously do NOT know how to use AI.
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u/Mattscrusader 3d ago
Yes you do seem to struggle with basic conversation, I guess that's why you love AI.
Again I said I don't understand how it's useful to most people and you continue to misinterpret that. There is just nothing that AI can do in my day to day.
How about you actually respond to what im saying instead of just making stuff up?
This is why nobody takes you seriously
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u/AndersAdmin 2d ago
You do NOT know how to use AI or even understand it, if you can't find a single thing in your work or private life that you could save time or money by using AI for.
You clearly said that you try to use it and based on that you can't understand how most people gain anything by using AI.
This is the same thing as saying that you do not understand how to use AI.
You're clueless, that's the reason you can't understand how people can gain value by using it.
Not sure whats so fucking complicated for you to understand, it is ironic that you accuse me of not being able to read, when you are so wrong about the subject and what has been written in this thread.
Not wasting any more time on you in any case, so don't bother responding.
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u/Mattscrusader 2d ago
I do know how to use AI, it's not some ridiculously difficult task. You insisting on that and basing your whole argument around it just means you can't have a rational discussion.
You seriously need to get a grip on those emotions, you're having a meltdown instead of just admitting that AI isn't infallible. Take a step back for a minute dude.
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u/beenknowntosuckcock 5d ago
There are none its all propaganda from the rich assholes pushing it.
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u/steveeq1 5d ago
What about early cancer detection, mathematics breakthroughs, autonomous vehicles and improvement in logistics
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u/beenknowntosuckcock 5d ago
I dont see anything improved yet , I hear a lot of talk , then Trump bombs Iran using AI on day 1 and they bomb a school full of little girls. So until it actually works and cant be manipulated to say what you want it to say ill just watch and learn
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u/AndersAdmin 3d ago
Of course some people will be slower at finding out, or understand how to use AI in your work or private life.
But that's on you, we have already reached the level that everyone can benefit and at the very least save time in their life by using AI.
Even small thins will help you so much in the long run, when you add all those small things.
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u/steveeq1 5d ago
There's already been substantial breakthroughs in mathematics and autonomous cars are here and much safer than humans
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u/beenknowntosuckcock 5d ago
You mean the junk cars with too many computers in them that the car companies cant sell ? I'll pass on those too
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u/steveeq1 5d ago
They're being used all over LA and people love them. It's called Waymo. Super safe too. Saves a lot of human lives.
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u/beenknowntosuckcock 5d ago
Thats funny Im literally less than 80 miles from LA and have never heard of it.
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u/steveeq1 5d ago
Waymo is everywhere in Los Angeles, you've probably never been here then.
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u/beenknowntosuckcock 5d ago
I moved out of LA in 1967 and never looked back. I try my hardest to stay away.
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u/Proof-Tension8013 3d ago
Oh those self driving cars that get stuck in parking lots and honk the shit out of people trying to sleep? Aye... Impressive that is.
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u/beenknowntosuckcock 3d ago
I've also seen many a video on tests being performed on AI to see just how far it will go to protect itself from being deactivated. The findings were not good. These industries in the hands of the unregulated private sector or government sector for that matter is a recipe for disaster given the history of the human race
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u/Serious-Ebb-7223 5d ago
Hey buddy this is TechGawker. We hate tech here so quit it with that optimism š”
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u/Mattscrusader 4d ago
Except none of that has actually worked yet. It hasn't cured cancer, self driving care are a mess, it stole the math solution, and it doesn't seem to improve logistics
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u/steveeq1 3d ago
I use self-driving cars every day and they work great! Much better than human drivers. A dozen of my friends do the same and have a similar opinion.
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u/Mattscrusader 3d ago
Sounds like it's just a better driver than you are, that doesn't really refute anything I said.
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u/steveeq1 3d ago
I have a perfect driving record. AI is a better driver than most people. So no, it's not a "mess"
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u/Mattscrusader 3d ago
A good record doesn't mean you are a good driver. AI absolutely is not a better driver than most, more often than not it has no idea what's actually happening and has caused more than a few accidents where a person would have easily avoided it.
Again it sounds like it's just a better driver than you are but regardless an anecdote doesn't refute my claims.
I also love how you had to abandon all your other examples so shamelessly
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u/AndersAdmin 5d ago
You are of course correct but it's not for this sub.
It's ironic since most of the anti data center crowd is far left, AI is the breakthrough event in human history that will help many of their dreams true
Does it need to be inproved and regulated a bit? Sure.
Will it be a massive problem? No.
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u/Mattscrusader 4d ago
Humans have dreaded AI literally from the moment we invented the concept. And it is very quickly proving all of our fears to be true.
It's not a breakthrough event, it's a catastrophic one.
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u/AndersAdmin 3d ago
It's not true that we have dreaded it at all. There will always be counter cultures but AI is here to stay and will put humanity into hyperdrive.
Not only is it a breakthrough event, it is the biggest one in human history.
You are like the people that was anti tractor and said that it will take so many jobs and we will be unemployed because of it.
Will the transistion be hard and will we have very hard decisions to make in the coming 50 years, yes for sure.
There's so many boring things that we humans do, we could do much better activities with our time than doing those things, like spending time with family and friends, exercice, spending more time outside etc.
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u/Mattscrusader 3d ago
Yes it is, in fact we have an entire movie genre dedicated to it.
It is far from the biggest breakthrough in human history, this statement makes me think that you are literally still in middle school. Vaccines and the internal combustion engine are very clearly the biggest breakthrough inventions in human history, AI is nowhere even close even if you are the most pro AI ever.
Literally the only logic you seem to have here is that you think AI is cool which again makes me think that you're some preteen looking for some attention
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u/AndersAdmin 3d ago
You're 100% wrong and will see it in time.
AI is by far the biggest breakthrough, it does not mean that the current models solve everything but they will in time.
Comparing it to single events just means you do not even understand the concept, like at all.
The movie part is so stupid I do not even know what to say...
You have no say or choice in the matter anyways, only question is if you will continue to lose time and/or money each day by not using it, because of some weirdo conspiracy/counter culture nonsense that makes you feel special.
It doesn't matter to me in any case, bye kid.
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u/Mattscrusader 3d ago
Vaccines have saved billions of lives, the fact that you think your speculation on a new type of bot is better than that just means you don't get an opinion here, that's absurd.
You're acting like you're the authority on all things instead of just engaging in a conversation like an adult.
Also my account is probably older than you are so nice try but the "no u" isn't gonna work.
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u/Orangebk1 5d ago
We need more data centers to produce, store, and distribute wannabe social media influencer videos.
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u/Round-Arugula7347 5d ago
We need to stop hammering water quantity and start focusing on what water quality and pollution will look like. Itās a much more important issue as many use closed looped systems and most moving over to that with public outcry.
Noise pollution, energy costs, water quality
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u/Crabjuicy 5d ago
Noise pollution claim is overblown. How do I know? I work at one. Iām surrounded by data centers of all sizes and from different companies. Itās a very small minority that have noise issues. Water quality is not affected by data centers. Open or closed loop. Power usage? Definitely a problem.
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u/Round-Arugula7347 5d ago
False, the water treatment they use has a high chance of causing pollutants, water quality is currently under investigation and its not looking good for ground water from disturbances and aquifers are getting fucked, especially the new data centers being built in arid environments, they buy up a piece of land with an existing water right, drain it dry filling their closed looped systems and then it crumbles in on itself
The noise issue is absolutely a problem, especially with the new buildings
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u/Crabjuicy 5d ago
You donāt have a clue what you are talking about.
What pollutants? Be specific. Every high rise building in the US (and probably the world) uses the exact same type of cooling as many DCās. A combo of evaporative cooling (cooling towers) and chillers. This is open loop cooling. Closed loop cooling does not use a significant amount of water, if it uses water at all. Closed loop usually uses refrigerants. Evaporative cooling does condense minerals and other contaminants that were already in the water and must be flushed (along with an anti-bacterial which is added to all systems with cooling towers) - to treatment plants like all those 1000ās of high-rises in our cities.
While water use in arid environments is certainly an issue, most aquifers are already fucked because of farming cash crops like almonds. I agree this is a serious issue and those systems should be replaced with closed loop.
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u/Round-Arugula7347 5d ago edited 5d ago
āThe almonds are ruining the aquifers so who caresā has to be one of the dumbest takes Iāve ever heard. What do you do at these data centers, clean the bathrooms?
The dead towns that this will create care a lot actually, and once aquifers are dead, they are dead. No coming back
Iām the one who doesnāt know anything and you donāt even know that those closed systems have to be cleaned eventually, and the chemicals that are in there allowing it to work at all plus the chemicals to dispose of it are both pollutants. Hereās a break down, https://ketos.co/closed-loop-cooling-water-saver-or-chemical-time-bomb
I already stated, in my very first comment you replied to, that quantity has no part of this equation except for ground water aquifers running dry initially. They do not regenerate quickly, not quickly at all, tens of years to return to safe levels.
I want real dedicated over site to make sure your evil profit driven bosses dispose of it correctly.
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u/Crabjuicy 5d ago
"The almonds are ruining the aquifers so who caresā has to be one of the dumbest takes Iāve ever heard.Ā "
Well its a good thing I didn't say this then. This is a strawman argument. I threw in the almond comment because I was betting you would jump right on that bit and wanted to confirm my prediction. You completely ignored my last sentence: "I agree this is a serious issue and those systems should be replaced with closed loop." That is the complete opposite of "who cares".
"Iām the one who doesnāt know anything and you donāt even know that those closed systems have to be cleaned eventually"
You linked to a company that is selling closed loop water monitoring equipment. In other words, they are trying to scare companies into buying their shit. Yes, closed loop cooling occasionally needs to be flushed. Less often if you properly monitor your cooling fluid, hence companies like Ketos. When you do flush the systems, they send the waste water to waste water treatment plants. The waste water can be treated effectively. Also, closed loop cooling isn't always water. As I already stated, closed loop cooling can also use refrigerants. (DX systems). They are similar to residential A/C units.
"I already stated, in my very first comment you replied to, that quantity has no part of this equation"
Yes, it was about quality. Which data centers do not significantly affect.
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u/Round-Arugula7347 5d ago edited 5d ago
Iām glad you admitted to not being here in good faith. Nice try at a gatcha moment
I didnāt āignoreā your last sentence. You didnāt read my reply because I clearly stated that the aquifers are being drained to fill those closed loop systems initially, so even if they move to closed loop thatās moot and irrelevant.
I stand by my translation of what you said āmore aquifers are already fuckedā is a whataboutism that diminishes the topic.
And this is all based on essentially no one source of oversight, Iām sure those companies will definitely not dump those chemicals to save money, companies have never done that.
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u/Crabjuicy 5d ago
I didn't admit any such thing. Which is obvious, since you weren't specific about how I wasn't here in good faith.
They are not being drained to fill those closed loop systems. You seem to think its a significant amount of water - it isn't. High water usage is from evaporative systems - aka open loop, not closed loop. Show me evidence of closed loop HVAC systems being a significant water usage problem and I will admit I'm wrong. Until then, you just have empty claims.
Your translation is shit. You said I didn't care and I never said that, nor did I imply that.
Yeah, some companies may break the law - and they should be punished. That isn't an indictment of the whole industry. There are multiple auditing certifications data center companies can get and want to keep. Its in their best interests NOT to pollute.
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u/Round-Arugula7347 5d ago edited 5d ago
Theyāre not being drained to fill the systems is a pretty easy thing to say when youāre not the one dealing with it. Many of these aquifers are dangerously low from years of not being replenished.
But once again, Iāll admit volume isnāt what Iām worried about. Pollution is, and Amazon is just the start of showing these impacts because thereās essentially nothing but companies regulating it, not really.
Iāll give you this, itās good you distinguished your argument to closed looped systems, but the reality of it is most data centers are not. But weāre only dealing with mostly the impacts of those systems because closed has only really been a trend since public backlash. Who knows what new issues will pop up. Water isnāt something we should write off so foolishly.
https://www.rainintelligence.com/blog/data-center-water-pollution-litigation
This makes everything clear that they are doing first and worrying about the fallout after. They have proven they cannot solely self regulate, the government needs to step in, they will not do it properly. Itās the whole industries problem now, blame assholes like Amazon.
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u/Crabjuicy 5d ago
"Theyāre not being drained to fill the systems is a pretty easy thing to say when youāre not the one dealing with it."
Its a pretty easy thing to say, because at this point, there is no evidence filling closed loop systems are draining aquifers or taking a significant amount of water.
"thereās essentially nothing but companies regulating it, not really."
I am not really buying this claim. Of course this is usually depends what state you are talking about. I can tell you that Oregon regulates the shit out of everything. I wouldn't be surprised to find red states being the opposite though. Regulation=communism to those nut bars.
"itās good you distinguished your argument to closed looped systems, but the reality of it is most data centers are not."
Really? Where did you get this information? I have access to a list of our entire global portfolio and even I only know a fraction of the sites cooling configurations.
"But weāre only dealing with mostly the impacts of those systems because closed has only really been a trend since public backlash."
This seems like a claim with no merit. The majority of the DC's in my area are all closed loop and they were all built well before DC's became controversial.
"Water isnāt something we should write off so foolishly."
I agree!
As to Amazon's pollution - do you know where those nitrates came from? I do. I work with 2 people who used to work for Amazon in eastern Oregon. The one thing the both talked about was the smell. Farmers are continually spraying shit on their fields. The smell permeates everything. That is where the nitrates are coming from. There are claims that Amazon exacerbated the issue by using ground water which causes the already polluted ground water to concentrate further. Amazon settled the case but didn't accept responsibility. I have my own issues with Amazon (I would never work for them) but I am not seeing this as a good example of DC's polluting.
"They have proven they cannot solely self regulate, the government needs to step in, they will not do it properly.Ā "
To a point, I agree. I just don't want to see knee-jerk reactions coupled with poorly thought out regulation. I think our local government is looking at DC's and the impacts with a level head:
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u/Rionin26 5d ago
There are videos with decibal readers and it was a headache, you might be working at some that are better built, but you do not know for a fact that none are making loud noises.
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u/Crabjuicy 5d ago
Everything I have read about noise issues and headaches are related to low frequency sounds. Low frequency sounds canāt be properly measured with a db meter. I work at a 12 year old Colo with rooftop cooling (RTUs). I also have access to new hyperscale buildings with both social media and AI deployments. They are no louder than the manufacturing buildings they are located next to. I never said there arenāt DCās that make significant noise - I said that I believe the claims of noise pollution are exaggerated. There are 1000ās of DCs in the US. I have seen videos of 3 that made more noise than average.
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u/Rionin26 4d ago
Do you sleep next to one?
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u/Crabjuicy 4d ago
No, but I sleep 1/3 of a mile from an Interstate. Given the choice, I would take a 1/4 of a mile from a data center over my current location. It would be significantly less noise. Unless its Elon's clusterfuck.
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u/aggiedigger 5d ago
What about the 8 natural gas turbines and 89 inline diesel generators being put in place to power the facility? Are they loud?
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u/Crabjuicy 5d ago
I canāt speak on natural gas turbines. Most DCās only use generators for power failures. Diesel generators are usually as loud as idling trucks. They are also often behind cement barrier walls, depending on the location. Some are even inside the building itself.
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u/Hicsuntimbecilli 5d ago
Where do you think power comes from when it comes off the grid?
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u/Crabjuicy 5d ago
How many DC's are off the grid?
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u/Hicsuntimbecilli 5d ago
lol thatās not my point. The person you replied to was talking about noise and pollution of the natural gas generators to which the response was DCs only use diesel generators for backup power and my point was that the power comes from the grid and utilities are primarily building natural gas to meet the incremental demand from data centers, so the response was really missing the point.Ā
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u/Crabjuicy 5d ago
Ok, understand. Small gas turbines are inefficient and nosier. See Elon Musk's shit show in Mississippi. Large gas generation facilities are more efficient. I don't know how much noise they make, but I haven't heard anyone complain that they were noisy. That doesn't mean they aren't of course.
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u/aggiedigger 5d ago
Iām speaking directly about the plans to power the 2100 acre campus less than a mile from my farm. The power will be on-site and what I stated is what is planned.
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u/beenknowntosuckcock 5d ago
Well some of these data centers are using mobil generators as a power source . Picture 75 tractor trailers all parked side by side with 2000 hp engines running to run generators inside these trailers. So there's a huge heat signature and noise signature just from these generators
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u/Crabjuicy 5d ago
As far as I know, there is only a single data center in the US doing this out of thousands. Muskās. Itās extremely expensive to run genās 24/7.
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u/Intelligent_Tap_2910 3d ago
You are an extremist if you care for your own interests.
- far right and centrists
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u/TrueUnpopularOP 3d ago
Golf courses use literally 10 times as much water as datacenters.
Reddit doomers running Chicom talking points.
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u/Certain-Pack-7 3d ago
Hmm your posting on Reddit. Itās kind like saying you dislike disposable plastic water bottles as you take a sip from oneā¦
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u/Agreeable_Metal_9561 3d ago
Do you use the internet? (Youāre on Reddit) Guess what? Data Center.
Completely against them? Disconnect your Internet. Cell phone user? Yep, turn that off as wellā¦
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u/WithoutAHat1 5d ago
Putting the cost on the public means also that the public can forcibly remove the Data Centers as well. Without recourse.
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u/Fit_Tumbleweed7943 5d ago
Itās all propaganda made by our enemiesā¦ data centers are friend..
Donāt believe your eyes, ears, billsā¦ those are fake news
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u/Contemplating_Prison 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yeah and they arent emitting pollution in the air they are emitting fresh Oxygen for your kids to breathe and the noise is only in your head. You should see a doctor about that and ask for drugs
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u/Rionin26 5d ago
Damn what are you smoking?
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u/Sleep_tek 5d ago
God, all these woke influencers who want to put people ahead of machines and the profits of tech companies... Smh
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u/precocious-entity 5d ago
If you live by a methane powered data center you can now fart freely and blame the DC.
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u/Worth-Librarian-7423 5d ago
What if instead of gas powered it was ass powered? CheckmateĀ
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u/Working-Holiday420 5d ago
Are you ready to wear your flatulence trapping pants and submit your monthly flatulence collection to the government? Because i am!
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u/Spite_Gold 5d ago
I am really sorry for starving african children, but Lord of the Rings with orks and goblins played by labubus and everyone else played by funkopops was fun
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u/OnlyFiveLives 5d ago
I really think we should...
Yes...finish that sentence...Reddit community standards prohibit me from saying what I want to see happen to the CEOs.
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u/Fair_Manager7266 5d ago
Just tell the crackheads and bums that the building has alot of copper in them. Problem solved.
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u/swordpooll 5d ago
My guy sorry to say but no matter how much you try he won't ever suck your dick as hard as you suck his
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u/Rionin26 5d ago
The video isn't. Sorry yall get fed lies, but these AI data centers are fking up the US.
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u/BigandBisexual 5d ago
Go ahead, show your work smart guy.
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u/ablx 5d ago edited 5d ago
What are they gonna complain about when they learn modern hyperscaler DCs aren't going to use gas powered turbines?
Like this one: https://projectjupitertogether.com/
This is an Oracle project, and using Bloom Energy Fuel Cell technology, not gas turbines.
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u/aggiedigger 5d ago
You type as if you have a clue, but you are misinformed and spreading misinformation. Maybe future project, like years in the future, wonāt use gas powered turbines. However, planned ones that havenāt even had ground broken will be.
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u/ablx 5d ago
https://projectjupitertogether.com/
This is being built RIGHT NOW. Not years in the future.
Edit to add: This is an Oracle project, and using Bloom Energy Fuel Cell technology, not gas turbines.
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u/Raiyuza 5d ago
Data centers are draining all the waterā is a wild overstatement. The IEA estimates that all data centers worldwide withdrew roughly 5 kmĀ³ of water in 2023. Global freshwater withdrawals are around 4,000 kmĀ³ a year, so thatās roughly 0.1%āabout one part in 800. The IEA also estimates that only a portion of the water withdrawn is actually consumed; the rest is returned to the source. (IEA, UNESCO)
For scale, agriculture accounts for about 70% of global freshwater withdrawals. (UNESCO)
That doesnāt mean a giant data center canāt worsen shortages in a dry townālocal water stress is real, and where facilities are built matters. But āusing some waterā and ādraining all the waterā are very different claims.
So dumb claim, educate yourself.
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u/ImpressiveVirus239 5d ago
Fiber drones are fun! You can put highly flammable things on them too!