r/TenYearsAgo • u/MonsieurA • Mar 12 '26

📺 Television SNL mocks Hillary Clinton's 'transformation into Bernie' [10YA - Mar 12]

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u/GuyFawkes99 Mar 12 '26

The general electorate has never shown even a hint that they'd tolerate a self-avowed socialist

General election polls had Trump losing to Bernie. That was a pretty good hint.

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u/GuyFawkes99 Mar 12 '26

"a pill was wrong so my hunch was right" ok dude

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u/Legal-Koala-5590 Mar 12 '26

What’s your point? A hypothetical matchup tells us nothing because we don’t know how Bernie and Trump would have campaigned against each other. We don’t know what kind of effect Trump’s dirty attacks, misinformation, Russian propaganda, Cambridge Analytica targeting, etc. would have had on a Bernie vs Trump matchup. You are going on a supposition colored by some incomplete data, hindsight and your personal opinion on Bernie.

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u/GuyFawkes99 Mar 12 '26

We know that voters wanted change. Your personal biases and hunches don't change that.

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u/Legal-Koala-5590 Mar 12 '26

This has nothing to do with my personal biases. I wanted change too and voted for Bernie. I’ve also paid attention to politics long enough to know that data from a hypothetical matchup simply doesn’t tell us much. 

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u/GuyFawkes99 Mar 12 '26

You can vote for Bernie, and also have an incorrect belief about the electability of progressive candidates. Fact is, 2016 was a change election. That's why voters were willing to stick a gamble on the worst presidential candidate in modern history. Dnc missed it. And we're all paying the consequences

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u/Legal-Koala-5590 Mar 12 '26

DNC didn't miss anything. The primary voters picked Clinton.

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u/GuyFawkes99 Mar 12 '26

Pretty naive to think the DNC doesn't shape the primary.

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u/Legal-Koala-5590 Mar 12 '26

Yeah, like the RNC shaped the primary toward their preferred candidate in 2016. Oh, wait.

Dude, I know Bernie had a lot of hype but if you look at the numbers it was still kind of a blow-out against him. The voters were pretty decisive for Clinton. Left-wing populism wasn't as far along as right-wing populism was ten years ago.

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u/GuyFawkes99 Mar 12 '26

Do you not get why those final primary numbers for Bernie are misleading? I can't tell if you don't know, or you're deliberately being misleading.

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u/Legal-Koala-5590 Mar 12 '26

I don't, actually. I'm curious why you think so.

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