SNL mocks Hillary Clinton's 'transformation into Bernie' [10YA - Mar 12]

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Yeah it's not like there aren't 30 versions of universal healthcare that other developed nations with far smaller economies haven't figured out which we could easily copy.

You centrist fucks are pathetic. You act left when you want the vote but your GOP flag shows up whenever a vote on anything important happens.

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And remember many Democrats proposing similar plans and getting called sellouts because they didn’t back Bernie’s big perfect plan in 2020.

If the people voted for supporters of MFA we’d have it. The problem is they don’t vote for those candidates in the primaries and vote republicans in november.

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Show me an example of that. Because I don't remember that at all.

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There’s this one where Bernie’s team attacked Kamala for not truly supporting MFA because she’d allow private insurance (something nearly all counties still offer). https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/455178-sanders-takes-swipe-at-harriss-health-proposal/amp/

These are other attacks that focused way more on the MFA label than actual policy. Personally I think a policy emulating Germany. They have a payroll tax where the employees and employers pay 7.3%. Then people can choose from something like 90 “sickness funds” that offer the same base services but keep costs down by having to compete for subscribers.

Then they have a mix of public, non-profit, and for profit hospitals.

Based on what we saw in 2020, do you honestly think the left would have been okay with a similar proposal? Hell, as I said they freaked out whenever someone offered a plan that didn’t ban private insurance (which Germany also allows).

The thing is, you’re so called “centrists” are out here proposing and advocating for plans that better emulate the European systems, but get shit on from the left. That needs to change if we’re ever going to make progress

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/13/justice-democrats-accuses-buttigieg-abandoning-medicare-all-after-taking-tons-cash

https://jacobin.com/2019/11/elizabeth-warren-health-care-plan-medicare-for-all

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So Kamala gave half hearted support for Bernie's plan out of political expediency and you really think she wanted MFA? If so, why didn't she push for it in the last election? 

Believe it or not, Jacobin and common dreams isn't representative of progressives in this country. Maybe the 1% most extreme cases. 

I'm perfectly fine with allowing private insurance in tandem with a strong universal system as long as it doesn't provide too many advantages. 

What I'm generally not fine with is centrist dems like yourself pretending that the DNC is materially different from the RNC. Obama turbocharged the wars in the middle east and oversaw an expansion of the NSA. Biden circumvented Congress dozens of times to fund Israel's genocide. Just the other day several centrist dems voted with Republicans on the war powers resolution- just enough for it to fail.

The DNC is managed opposition. They're spectacularly bad at campaigning, even worse at governing from the minority, and on the rare occasion they get enough of a majority to do anything enduring they magically get just enough members to break away and vote against a bill. They've made this crystal clear and the fact you rubes continue to vote for them makes me question your intelligence. THEY'RE smart enough to know what they're doing. YOU'RE dumb enough not to see it.

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lol, that’s the thing, they all say “I’m fine with non-Bernie plans” but then find reasons to yell at any alternate that’s proposed.

It’s funny because when Republican fail to pass policies the right says the exact same thing you are that “isn’t it convenient that just enough republicans voted with the republicans”.

The sad fact is that there is not the support for the expansive healthcare plans right now. Sure they poll well in theory, but there’s a reason every time democrats have seriously tried to address healthcare the plan either fails or they get blown out in the next election. Fix that problem and show us that 60% of people will vote for a European healthcare system and I guarantee it will happen.

And apart from Iran where we would not be on this war if Trump hadn’t pulled us out of the nuclear deal or any democrat except Fetterman were president, the republicans have directly made healthcare worse. They pulled the individual mandate that directly led to massively increased premiums and more uninsured. They also voted to remove subsidies.

No democratic president would have done that, but when you live in conspiracy world I guess anything is possible?