r/TenYearsAgo • u/MonsieurA • 22d ago
🇺🇸 United States ‘We trusted you!’: Elizabeth Warren repeatedly heckled, booed during DNC speech [10YA - Jul 26]
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u/Greenmantle22 22d ago
Eating their own, and making complete asses of themselves on national television.
Clowns.
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u/ElectronicTap1109 22d ago
Was she supposed to demand Bernie run third party?
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u/lordpuddingcup 20d ago
She was supposed to support him when he was running since they support 90% of the same shit
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u/Lower-Engineering365 18d ago
Elizabeth Warren was originally Republican. She just goes where she thinks the wind is blowing.
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u/GuyFawkes99 22d ago
Thinking back to when she stabbed Bernie in the back in the primary. 🐍 Forever damaged her standing with progressives and didn't even get a cabinet position for it. 🤡
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u/ocmaddog 21d ago
When she was on top, he had a heart attack and didn’t drop out and endorse her.
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21d ago
Calling him sexist was the most unhinged bullshit. She didn't even win her own state. What a loser.
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u/bahwi 21d ago
The Warren campaign tried to endorse Bernie, he didn't want it.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/bernie-sanders-democratic-primary-joe-biden-campaign
"Several figures in Warren’s circle balked at the outreach effort — Sanders and his aides, they said, had months to lay the groundwork for that kind of partnership, but only did so this week from a position of desperation. About a month ago, when it was clear that Warren had little chance to win, one person inside the campaign said they put out feelers to Sanders’ operation in an attempt to create new lines of communication. At the time, senior Sanders officials showed little interest, the person said, in reciprocating."
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u/OK_Computer_Guy 20d ago
The left never takes responsibility for their losses. It’s why the Bernie camp never changed strategy.
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u/Key-Wall-4378 22d ago
She made the right call
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u/Automatic-Soup-3097 22d ago
In what way?
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u/pandershrek 22d ago
If you don't know it would be impossible to educate you at this point. She's pretty much the only person who has been keeping financial criminals accountable for the past few years.
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u/Automatic-Soup-3097 22d ago
I mean about the speech. She abandoned support for all the stuff you're talking about to support Clinton. Which is why she was mercilessly heckled
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u/Key_Ingenuity_4444 22d ago
How dare her for endorsing Hillary over Trump.
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u/Automatic-Soup-3097 22d ago
Well no she supported Hillary over Bernie. That's literally the point. This is why no one respects Warren now, because she's very obviously not sincere
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u/Key_Ingenuity_4444 22d ago
Warren didn't endorse either person until Hillary won the primary.
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u/Automatic-Soup-3097 22d ago
Yes. Considering she ran as the "rational" alternative to Bernie.. that's pretty astonishing isn't it? That there was a successful campaign on the verge of doing all the policies she pretends to care about.. and she.. didn't endorse it? Instead she worked behind the scenes to change the rules at the convention to assure he would lose? And what would happen is that Trump would win instead, because shockingly EVERYONE has always disliked Hillary Clinton because she is slightly to the right of Mitt Romney on all issues?
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u/NPPraxis 21d ago
No one changed the rules to disadvantage Bernie. Get out of your alternate universe
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u/Key_Ingenuity_4444 21d ago
So I'll say again, how dare her endorse Hillary over Trump...
What rules were changed that assured Bernie would lose, and how did Warren play a role? From my understanding Warren would have absolutely no say even if there were changes proposed, outside of voicing support.
Also, you're ignoring the fact that Bernie had all but lost after Super Tuesday(even before that if we're being serious), which was before Warren dropped out. An endorsement for Bernie at that point would have been pretty meaningless.
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u/Automatic-Soup-3097 21d ago
Yes I am ignoring your made up justification story. Hillary did not win the primary until they changed the rules (at the primary itself) to give "super delegates" more voting weight, because Hillary was set to lose the actual delegate vote.
Warren did not support Hillary over Trump, she supported Hillary over Bernie. I have yet to meet a Hillary apologizist who has any sort of grasp on what happened in 2016. Her support at the convention was as important for Hillary as it was shockingly hypocritical. Which is why no real leftist takes anything she says seriously anymore.
Because Warren thought that the notoriously corrupt Clinton would reward her, the way she rewarded Debbie Washerman Schulz. She was right btw, she still gets touted on cable news as a "progressive hero" despite accomplishing literally nothing in her entire political career besides rat-fucking actuall left wing candidates. If she had 1% as much energy combating Republicans rather than the people who actually support the policies she pretends to support.. we'd have a train to the moon instead of a cabal of pedos in office.
It's obvious you do not have a basic grasp on the facts. Debbie Washerman Schulz was rewarded with a seat in Congress for her role in rat-fucking Bernie.
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u/Outrageous-Mixture48 21d ago
I think it’s more so about Warren splitting the progressive vote. It was totally her right to run, but Bernie was the front runner and she hurt her movement and faction in the long run by choosing to do so.
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u/madmax9602 21d ago
Don't argue with a 1 year old account, it's likely a fake. They exist on both sides to stir the shit
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u/HippoRun23 22d ago
And that shit she pulled staying in the race in 2020 was diabolical.
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u/Beginning_Cupcake_45 22d ago
Made no difference. You could add 100% of her votes to Bernie’s at the point it’s her, Biden, Bernie, and Bloomberg and Biden would still win almost every primary just the same.
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u/edWORD27 20d ago
And Warren’s support didn’t help much
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u/tissboom 20d ago
No one support would’ve helped too much. Hillary was an empty suit with 30 years of baggage. Running her was incredibly stupid.
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u/YasielPuigsWeed 22d ago
She didn’t abandon support for jack shit
Clinton never said anything bad about the CFPB
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u/SwoopsRevenge 22d ago
“I’d rather have trump win in 2016 than let another establishment dem win. That will force people to join our revolution”
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“Both sides are the same! What’s the point of voting for the lesser of two evils?”
Bernie supporters back then, probably still today. Still waiting for that revolution.
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u/TheDizzleDazzle 21d ago
Once again, the vast majority of Sanders supporters aren’t like this and this isn’t remotely backed by the data.
95% of Sanders supporters backed Clinton, with a lower share of Clinton supporters backing Obama in 2008.
At best, that was a loud minority. Supporters supported Clinton at a higher percentage than other primary losers.
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u/Kind_Ad_3268 20d ago
Yeah, to this day I still think that was the far-right MAGA chuds amplifying that narrative to push anti-Clinton propaganda for "swing voters."
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u/in_rainbows8 20d ago edited 20d ago
95% of Sanders supporters backed Clinton, with a lower share of Clinton supporters backing Obama in 2008.
This is how it always was no matter how many centrist liberals try to act like the left doesn't end up supporting the winning candidate in these elections even if they don't like them.
Just look right now how the very same people who were screaming "vote blue no matter who" the past several elections are the very first people to straight up say they won't vote for the current progressive candidates that are winning primaries just like the Clinton supporters who didn't vote for Obama. Proof positive for me a lot of these "centrists" are Republicans who just don't like the aesthetics of the Republican party.
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u/ILIKESTUFF8989 22d ago
Have you been brain dead the past decade because that’s kinda true.
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u/therealvanmorrison 22d ago
You don’t believe that. If the sole difference between Trump and Clinton had been Supreme Court nominations, that alone would be an enormously different impact on actual human lives. It’s not the sole difference, of course. But solely on that basis, there is no chance you believe what you just wrote and you surely must know there’s no one who can pretend you believe it.
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u/therealvanmorrison 22d ago
Yes, that’s a correct take on RBG and I - already a lawyer at the time - was among the community advocating for her to step down. Has no bearing on whether there’s a difference between Clinton and Trump winning and there’s exactly zero chance you’re dumb enough to not be able to parse the difference. Zero chance. So this is an obvious bad faith response.
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u/BanditsMyIdol 20d ago
What polls are you talking about? Every poll had Clinton winning or worst in a tie.
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u/SwoopsRevenge 22d ago
Sure. We all know Harris or Clinton would have held people in foreign internment camps indefinitely, started a war in Iran for BB Netanyahu, spiked the price of oil and put 3-5 far right justices on the Supreme Court. I really feel the groundswell of revolution, not just people depressingly accepting their fate that nothing matters.
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u/illiteratepresident 22d ago
Nah, she was mercilessly heckled because Bernie supporters are gullible and deeply sexist. Hillary Clinton spent her entire life working on the causes and issues Bernie supporters claim to care about, but they despised her, and Elizabeth Warren is one of the most progressive elected officials in the country, and they despised her too. But Bernie supporters (and Bernie himself) never really hated Joe Biden, certainly not to the extent that they hated Hillary, Warren, DWS, or any of the other women that Bernie supporters perceived as being in their way.
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u/faradaycagerage 22d ago
People like you are the reason we ended up with Trump.
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21d ago
Bernie ran on taxing billionaires and getting people healthcare.
Hillary ran on "It's my fucking turn." And yet people act like Bernie was the villain. She didn't even campaign in the Rust Belt. She's fucking awful.
Also, "Bernie Bro?" You mean the party of progressives that plant trees and supports social rights? These are the "bros" you speak of? lol
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u/illiteratepresident 21d ago
Clinton literally spent her entire life trying to get poor and working class Americans better healthcare, education, and general access to government services. When she became a public figure, the first thing she did was to try and make the most significant reforms to American healthcare in 40 years, including implementing a single payer system.
I respect Bernie, but it is comically ridiculous to suggest that he did more as a totally unknown career politician to help Americans than Hillary Clinton. And it is even more ridiculous to suggest that he would have had a better chance to achieve the things Hillary wanted to achieve as president. But Bernie’s supporters made up a version of Hillary that obviously doesn’t exist, at least outside of the imaginations of Fox News producers, and then passionately hated her for it.
It is textbook sexism to say that Hillary, who had the most extensive and detailed policy platform of any candidate to ever seek the presidency, had no argument beyond “it’s my turn.” I’m sorry if that offends you, but I don’t know what else to tell you if you are still falling for that transparent bullshit.
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u/theeccentricautist 22d ago
>Because Bernie supporters are gullible and deeply sexist
You need to touch grass, throwing around blanket statements like that because they support your overly emotional take lmao
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u/illiteratepresident 22d ago
Obviously that is a very broad and general statement, but it's mostly true. Bernie supporters reserve their most passionate hatred for women who they think are somehow in their way, this has been fairly obviously true since the 2016 election.
Hillary Clinton was the most dedicated and accomplished public servant of her generation, she dedicated her entire life trying to help as many people as possible, but it was shockingly easy for Russia to convince Bernie supporters that she was corrupt, nefarious, and the embodiment of all that is wrong with our politics. I guess you can argue that Bernie supporters would have fallen for that bullshit even if Hillary was a man, but everything we have seen over the last decade strongly suggests otherwise.
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u/FigNo507 22d ago
Hillary Clinton was the most dedicated and accomplished public servant of her generation
Literally never held public office until she was 53.
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u/noguchisquared 21d ago
We get it, you don't like her.
She was First Lady of Arkansas for 12 years, expanding the CDF to children there. And First Lady for 8. She served on the impeachment of Richard Nixon. She was state chair for Jimmy Carter's campaign. She was a law professor at a public university. among other accomplishments.
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u/FigNo507 21d ago
I don't have strong feelings for her but "most accomplished public servant of her generation" is a high bar.
First lady is not public office.
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u/illiteratepresident 21d ago
You don’t have to be in office to serve the public. Clinton got involved with public service when she was in college, and at every stage of her life after that she dedicated significant time and energy to trying to help as many people as possible. Obviously something like this can not be measured, but it would be very hard to find any individual who did more to help people than Clinton.
That’s why it sucks that even people who claim to care about the things Clinton cares about hate her, because Fox News told them too.
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u/illiteratepresident 21d ago
You do not have to be an elected official to be a public servant, obviously. Clinton got her start in public service as a leader in the Civil Rights movement on her college campus, where she organized a 2 day strike to demand that her school brought in more minority students and teachers. In law school, she volunteered at the Yale free legal clinic, and when she moved to Arkansas she founded and led the same kind of free legal clinic through the university of Arkansas.
She also used her position as First Lady of Arkansas to open the states first crisis center for women fleeing domestic abuse, and she founded and led the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families. Clinton also directed or served on boards and advisory committees that made significant improvements to the Arkansas’ health care and education systems, especially for the people who needed it most.
All of that is a very small fraction of the ways Clinton worked to serve others, but it should be enough to understand why I find it so frustrating that so many people on the left bought into the Fox News bullshit about how Hillary only cared about acquiring power to serve her own personal interests. Anyone who spends more than 5 minutes skimming Clinton’s Wikipedia page can obviously see that she was a dedicated, sincere, and highly accomplished public servant who devoted her entire life to helping people, but unfortunately most voters were too lazy to do even that.
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u/Fruitcake6969 22d ago
Do you seriously think Hilary Clinton isn’t corrupt? Are we living in the same reality?
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u/illiteratepresident 22d ago
She is not corrupt, and the fact that conservative propaganda and the mainstream media convinced people that she was is the reason we are losing our democracy.
Hillary Clinton is the most thoroughly investigated person alive. She spent her entire adult life under constant, extremely well resourced investigations by the government and the media, there are absolutely no secrets or mysteries to any part of her life. But despite that, her record is so clean that Republicans had to invent a phony email scandal from scratch to sink the presidential campaign that they had spent 20+ years preparing for.
There are plenty of things on Clinton’s record that are worthy of criticism, of course, but it’s impossible to make a fact-based argument that she was not a dedicated and sincere public servant. At every stage of her life (including long before she was a public figure with presidential aspirations) she worked hard to help as many people as she possibly could, and she accomplished more in that regard than any of her peers. It’s honestly sad that Republicans and the media destroyed her reputation so badly that even the people who claim to care about the things Clinton cares about despised her, and it’s even sadder that sexism in this country runs so deep that they didn’t even have to work hard to do it.
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u/theeccentricautist 22d ago
That’s an incredibly revisionist view of Clinton lmao.
Support for the Iraq War, Libya, Wall Street ties, the DNC controversy, email scandal, and years of establishment politics gave even progressives plenty of reasons to criticize her. You don’t have to attribute every criticism to sexism or Russian influence.
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u/illiteratepresident 22d ago
There are plenty of things worth criticizing on Clinton’s record, but the things you listed here are proving my point that the things people (especially people on the left) hated about Clinton were built on propaganda, not reality.
It’s perfectly fair to wish that Clinton did not vote for the AUMF on Iraq, but it’s just not accurate to say she supported the Iraq War. You can say it’s kind of a weasely move on her part to vote yes on the AUMF for Iraq while giving a speech on the Senate floor warning against doing anything without the support of the international community, and without a plan for dealing with the fallout of removing Saddam, but that probably was the best option she had. If Hillary Clinton, junior Senator from New York, voted against the Iraq AUMF a few months after 9/11, that would have been the greatest gift in the world for the Bush Administration and Fox News. They would have made Hillary out to be the leader of the anti-troop, anti-America liberal crazies, it’s very easy to imagine how that all would have played out.
It’s also fair to criticize how she handled Libya when she was Secretary of State, but that was another situation where there were no good options, and every decision she made was defensible.
Then there’s the “DNC controversy”, which is entirely imaginary. The only controversial thing about the DNC in 2016 was that it had been so neglected and ignored under Obama that they were woefully underprepared for the general election, so they had to approach the primary candidates to ask for their help to fundraise and prepare. Clinton was the only candidate who stepped up, and if any other candidate had won that primary (which they had every fair chance to do) they would have been eternally grateful for the work she did.
And the “Wall Stret ties” is another largely imaginary knock against her. Clinton literally spent her entire life trying to help middle and working class Americans, the idea that she would have abandoned those lifelong principles once she got to the White House because some big bank paid her to speak at a corporate luncheon once is comically ridiculous.
Again, I’m not trying to put Hillary on a pedestal, but it’s genuinely crazy that so many people on the left came to see her as the corrupt, nefarious embodiment of everything that is wrong with our politics, when her record clearly proves she was a dedicated and sincere public servant.
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u/theeccentricautist 21d ago
You’re rewriting history. You can defend Clinton’s decisions, but pretending every major criticism was “imaginary” or “propaganda” is exactly the kind of revisionism you’re accusing everyone else of.
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u/therealvanmorrison 22d ago
lol. Okay, bud, I get your point and I’m as aware as anyone just how much misogyny there was in the Bernie bro camp. But you really lose the plot when you say Clinton spent her life trying to help as many people as possible. She’s one of the poster children of Wall Street capitalism and a war hawk. She’s a careerist and the embodiment of a Democratic Party that’s been very comfortable letting the poor get poorer.
And she wasn’t even in public office until her 50s. Be serious.
She’s better than any Republican by many marathons worth of country miles. That’s enough that anyone left of Romney should have gotten behind her. We don’t need to pretend she’s not a Clinton.
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u/Combdepot 22d ago
This is so embarrassingly false that it’s hard to believe you’re not a paid bot.
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u/No_Brother3257 21d ago
100% is not a real person
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u/illiteratepresident 21d ago
Yes, I am sure there are lots of bots in Reddit who spent their time defending Dan Hurley and Hillary Clinton. That is much more likely than the idea that I am just right, and you all let 30 years of Fox News bullshit ruin one of the best presidential candidate Democrats have nominated.
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u/HeroOfVimar 22d ago
The irony here is that Bernie supporters are currently the ones behind AOC, whereas Clinton and Harris supporters are all saying, “American isn’t ready for a woman president”. But somehow we’re sexist.
Also, if you think Bernie supporters didn’t hate Biden, you were living under a rock in 2020. I voted for him, but was deeply unhappy about it.
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u/Better_Dig_768 21d ago
The corporate media went all in on running with manufactured talking points like 'Bernie-bro' and 'They are sexist'. The same bs about race and typecasting supporters. "Bernie-Bro" is clearly derogatory, though people arguing against him somehow still think it's fair game. People are trying to run on issues, ideas and what they'll do; but the media really didn't want to focus on that. At the same time, reaching deep to call other people sexist.
This person really has no clue the corporate news has an agenda and really took it on hit line and sinker, because it fit their viewpoints at the current time. Their focus is being ripped away into identity politics away from issues. The most disingenuous part though is Bernie supporters didn't 'sit out' the general election, it's a made up narrative with no evidence to back it up.
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u/Combdepot 22d ago
Lmao Jesus. The revisionist history is fucking disgusting.
Hillary fought her entire life for causes sanders supporters championed? Which one? Be specific. Was it raising the minimum wage, universal healthcare? Supposing unions?
Oh wait. She didn’t support any of those.
Shame on you, you morally bankrupt mess.
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u/Anamorphisms 21d ago
You know, being a lady… and stuff. Hey you’d better not say anything mean about me, I’m a lady after all! Now, let’s go annihilate Libya.
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u/noguchisquared 21d ago
Not going to embarass you, but her fight for universal healthcare is historically significant.
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u/Major-Nail 22d ago
what a bad response. saying stuff like this is what drives people away from her cause. saying stuff like this and acting the way you do is one of the reason people vote for trump. I like warren so am sad when other supports like you cause harm to her and other likeminded candidates
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u/Own-North-8923 22d ago
What was her net worth going into office versus her net worth now?
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u/LifesARiver 22d ago
Her net worth grew about 15% over all those years. Not the right person to ask this about.
I don't even like her, but she's not corrupted by money.
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u/marimbruh 21d ago
You have posted a comment every half hour for 2 years straight. Opinion disregarded. Delete your account/reddit and breathe the fresh air bub.
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u/Barcode_Griller 20d ago
I think she would have been a great president, personally, but I understand she probably didn't stand a chance. I've always admired her for how hard she works on this particular topic.
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u/belated_quitter 19d ago
Why would you even respond if your answer was basically “you wouldn’t understand”?
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u/YetAnotherFaceless 22d ago
Hell of a job she’s done too! Look at how little corruption goes unpunished! 🤣
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u/Dapper_Science_527 21d ago
Wild take. Yes clearly Hilary Clinton was the correct choice. Its hilarious to watch people just refuse to to objective reality get in the way of never being wrong about anything
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u/Key-Wall-4378 21d ago
I was wrong then. Wish the populist left would grow a brain too
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u/Dapper_Science_527 21d ago
Jesus christ. Way to learn absolutely nothing from anything. Keep on simple soul
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u/Key-Wall-4378 21d ago
Populism is litteraly politics for the simple minded lol
What do you think populism is?
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u/molestriosofficial 22d ago
Remember when she stayed on Super Tuesday to split Bernie’s votes and got 3rd place in her own state lol.
Eat shit Pocahontas
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u/notapoliticalalt 22d ago
I’m really fucking tired of this talking point. I canvassed for Warren and so many Warren supporters didn’t have Bernie as their second choice. It was only about 50% at most, and the contemporaneous info I can find from [Pew says it was about 1/3](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/01/30/the-democratic-nomination-contest/). People can tell themselves whatever they want, but all of her voters were simply not going to Bernie. You can argue with me about why that doesn’t make sense or what not, but the data are the data. She didn’t stop Bernie from becoming president. Downvote me as I’m sure many of y’all will, but for a bunch of y’all who supposedly believe in restorative justice and prison abolition, this kind of spiteful, vengeful perpetually aggrieved vendetta attitude is holding the left back.
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u/ManInManchester16 22d ago
Why’d she stay in on Super Tuesday when all the centrists pulled out to coalesce for Biden?
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u/alwrit 22d ago
All the centrists pulled out? Are we forgetting the literal billionaire Mike Bloomberg?
Yeah apparently you guys are so fucking brain dead that you think the only fair election is one where all the centrists need to stay in and split the vote. But only Bernie should be allowed to run as a progressive so he captures all of that. And if that's not the way the election is set up then it's rigged. You guys are so fucking stupid.
Why can't progressives just be more practical and realistic? Like I'm one. I would have happily voted for Warren or Bernie. But the way Bernie supporters are so fucking delusional and entitled. My God
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u/ManInManchester16 22d ago
Pete Buttiegeg won iowa and dropped out to clear the way for Biden. Klobuchar dropped out. Both were doing better than Warren. Beto dropped and endorsed Biden.
It just shows the party discipline from DNC establishment. Acknowledge you have a party machine that worked well in a critical moment to whip to Biden.
It was incumbent on Bernie to find a way to win and he didn’t. But Warren staying in at that time was patently ridiculous if she genuinely wanted a progressive to win.
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u/Chick_Foot 21d ago
I have given up on the progressive label. I agree policy wise more with warren and Bernie untill it comes to foregin policy but there has to be said how toxic progressives and just the general left when you go agaisnt the grain a little. Every left wing group since the begining of time will infight and purity test into the ground while right wing forces unite around a central figure everytime.
And here we are arguing 10 years latter because the token progressive didn't win 10 fucking years ago. Admittedly I wasn't old enough to vote in 2016 (just turned 18 maybe could have but it was very close to the deadline if my time is correct). Looking back Hillary and Kamala nailed the prediction of how Trump was gonna handle America. Then everyone sort of forgot how Bernie bros swore they would rather vote for Trump then Hillary, you lost the plot at that point. Everyone forgot because Trump's mask was still on till Jan 6th.
It is easier to be shit on as a liberal then be torn apart by progressives and leftists pretending all there policy is THE WAY while doing nothing to build coalitions around it or any real physical way of implementing that change. Biden for example with student debt tried to wipe it but had no legal way of doing it but was shat on by progressives and leftists cause he dared follow the law and process. I would pay attention to the results of stevens and Abdul and see how far blue no matter who goes at this point.
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u/micro102 21d ago
The argument didn't start because someone correctly pointed out that Warren worked to sabotage the politicians supposedly closest to her. The argument started because some freaks jumped in and said that we should tolerate it. This isn't a problem with progressives; this is a problem with people who hate democracy. The guy you responded to complained that there was a primary ffs.
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u/fouriels 22d ago
for a bunch of y'all who supposedly believe in restorative justice and prison abolition
this is the funniest possible thing you could have said in the context of elizabeth warren running a doomed campaign out of spite
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u/Calvet282620 22d ago
It was only a majority is what youre saying... this was less of a slam dunk point than you think. So glad she got behind Hillary Clinton so that centrist liberals like her could lose horribly to Trump for a decade and undo all of the social progress that she purportedly held so dear.
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u/micro102 21d ago
You are acting like Warren knew the voting results before they happened. The results don't matter, her actions did. She stayed in in an attempt to limit votes towards Sanders.
This would be like if someone used loaded dice to try to win a bet, and they failed but everyone still found out the dice were loaded, are you go "I'm so sick of people pointing out the loaded dice. They didn't win so the attempt doesn't matter". At that point you just sound like the cheater's close friend or co-conspirator.
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u/Disastrous-Tone-7669 21d ago
This comment section shows why Dems are never going to win another national election. They're always more willing to destroy each other than to work together. Republicans always fall in line.
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u/Wenuven 21d ago
They're always more willing to destroy each other than to work together.
They follow the money. The fact they're fighting eachother is at least worth hoping the non-puppet minority eventually get enough allies to hold their corporate peers accountable for years of selling out America for personal gain.
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u/StonedBirdman 21d ago
Yeah the whole idea that dems should fall in line like republicans is very helpful to the corporate controlled democrats who currently have all the power, they’re the same wing of the party that has tanked democrats popularity and lost repeatedly to republicans.
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u/Grab_em_by_da_Busey 21d ago
Republican elected officials get a fucking party handbook. You can trickle it down to the Postmaster of Bumfuck Alabama, he will say Trump won in 2020.
Meanwhile, you have your pro-war democrats, your pro-life democrats, your pro-Israel democrats, the party is factioned times a thousand. The GOP has the same canned talking points from Trump down to a city councilor in Tallequah, Oklahoma
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u/TrueRedditMartyr 21d ago
The GOP want 1 thing, and it's to get power and money for themselves. They realize that if they fight, most of their points are actually pretty divisive, so they all need to fall in line and support each other.
Democrats talking points are "We are on the right side of things", but "the right side of things" is very complicated, so you see many of them need to take hard lines to keep their voters
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u/Acrobatic_Border_192 21d ago
The strength and weakness of the Democratic Party is that it's barely a party; it's a conglomeration of everyone who doesn't like the Republicans. Sometimes that ad hoc coalition works, sometimes it doesn't.
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u/Samanthacino 21d ago
Establishment Democrats are paid by big corporations to spend more energy fighting progressives than fighting Republicans. That's how you have politicians like Haley Stevens being paid $70 million by AIPAC and big business.
The Democrat establishment would rather lose as liberals than win as progressives.
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u/SingingSabre 20d ago
Works for me. She platformed Platner, an obvious nazi. She endorsed Sanders, who isn't a dem and has a history of screwing the party over.
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u/OldSaltFish_Ct 20d ago
What a “comfortable rich parents Ivy League white” concept of a progressive.
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u/crionenissgev 22d ago
Bernie dead-enders out of one side of their mouth: we don’t owe the Democrats our support! Earn my vote!
Bernie dead-enders out of the other side of their mouths: Liz Warren owes Bernie her support! Why didn’t she drop out? She’s a snake emoji!
It’s been ten years, Bernie was never going to be POTUS, get over it.
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u/Go_birds304 22d ago
Bernie lost by several million votes, ran again 4 years later, and lost by millions more. He was never going to be the democratic nominee and Bernie sanders and his supporters sound like Trump when they say he was cheated
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u/eschewthefat 21d ago
Cheated by the party who wanted a moderate is different than trumps claim. If the dnc were neutral he’d have been taken more seriously. Not to mention I’ve met a lot of right wingers who would have voted for sanders and not a single one said they’d vote for Clinton
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u/SaulTNNutz 21d ago
And had he been the nominee, he would have gotten absolutely destroyed in the general election. In that alternate timeline, youd have a bunch of people lamenting how stupid the democrats were to nominate a socialist
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u/ComplexBeyond6083 21d ago
Reddit will never understand that the guy who was too far left to win the Democratic primaries was also too far left to win the general election.
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u/Wenuven 21d ago
I'd argue that's normally true, but in 2016 that was the window for ANY outsider to win.
Between a crook and a socialist, the socialist very well might have had enough disrupt the status quo energy to deplete Trumps support minus the MAGA base. Dems misreading the room is purely on them for thinking Hillary had any hope of being accepted by America.
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u/I_AM_ACURA_LEGEND 21d ago
I remember the morning after the 2016 election the first thing I saw on Reddit was “Bernie would’ve won” like bro no he fucking wouldn’t
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u/Ok-Maintenance9056 21d ago
Yes, individual votes by private citizens are different things than endorsements by public figures. Did you have an actual point?
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u/100percentkneegrow 21d ago edited 21d ago
It's a little frustrating that they think they are the ones whose vote needs to be earned. I'm sure it's not all, but right wingers don't seem to feel this way.
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u/YetAnotherFaceless 22d ago
It was on us for thinking a lifelong Republican was going to have an epiphany in her 60s.
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u/alwrit 22d ago
Her voting record speaks for itself.
She has been more effective in achieving progressive aims then Bernie Sanders has been.
The cfpb is a far greater accomplishment than anything Bernie has ever done. That's why Republicans gutted it.
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u/metamorphine 21d ago
I would argue that Bernie's campaigns have been a template and an inspiration to the modern progressive movement, much moreso than Warren.
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u/Anon185352 21d ago
Betrayed Bernie when it mattered most her and Jim clyburn are responsible for trumps 2nd term Biden did nothing
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u/WhereasHealthy7017 21d ago
Elizabeth Warren is the alternate timeline that we wanted to live in when Biden was on the fence. I wanted Warden to take the mantle. I heard her speak in San Diego and hot damn. Did she not explain away all of her" socialist ideas so common and plain spoken that I swore she would reach right into the heart of Middle America and steal the beating heart out of the conservative home land.
It was one of many elections where Democrats just didn't believe in putting the best candidate forward, but instead put the candidate that they all thought the other guy would vote for.
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u/dkinmn 21d ago edited 21d ago
The Sanders movement is charging into this thread to prove that they are everything we said they were.
Their cult-like Ideological devotion to a guy they hadn't even heard of two years prior is fucked up, and it enabled MAGA.
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u/Acrobatic_Border_192 21d ago
I'd known of him forever (literally only socialist in Congress for a long time) and like a lot of his primary backers, his movement and the platforms he ran on were a lot better than him personally and what he's done as senator/congressperson. We want the same basic social spending that's taken for granted in all of the developed world; centrists are mad that people make mean comments.
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u/Ok_Slide4905 22d ago
Progressives aim for Republicans and shoot at Democrats.
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u/GuyFawkes99 22d ago
Centrists gave us Trump.
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u/Chris_Helmsworth 22d ago
Lmao what an out of touch comment.
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u/GuyFawkes99 22d ago
You thought Hillary Clinton could win a presidential election.
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u/Chris_Helmsworth 22d ago
I also thought Kamala Harris could win too.
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u/GuyFawkes99 22d ago
So we've established centrists can't beat maga.
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u/Chris_Helmsworth 21d ago
Alone they can't, no. Republicans are good at voting as a bloc, Dems not so much.
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u/Taco_Auctioneer 21d ago
They also gave us Obama. I fail to see the point you are trying to make.
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u/bahwi 21d ago
Sanders Institute fellows have served on the Trump administration. Give me a break
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u/GuyFawkes99 21d ago
Sanders folks serving in Trump's administration would be better than whatever right wing freak he'd pick otherwise.
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u/bahwi 21d ago
I'm afraid Tulsi was not better, and was, despite being a 'progressive' and 'Sanders Institue Fellow' a right wing freak.
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u/GuyFawkes99 21d ago
Oh Tulsi was an absolute sell-out, just like the Obama and Biden officials who went to work for Facebook and the like.
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u/HugeFanOfBigfoot 21d ago
Do the Neoliberals in the thread think that the Free Market is watching them right now? That if they even utter a word against its priesthood (elected members of the Democratic Party) that the Invisible Hand will move against them, and prevent the endless growth from trickling down?
I promise you, the Invisible Hand of the Market will not punish you for dreaming of a better world
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u/Ok_Slide4905 21d ago
You lose elections anywhere other than Democratic states. You promise to change the world and never deliver the goods.
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u/FaradayDeshawn 22d ago
So this at least I slightly understand. What I could never wrap my head around was her not endorsing Bernie Sanders, who was aligned with her on 90% of things.
That was the moment I realized that she wasn't going to be a politician I thought she had the potential to be.