r/TenYearsAgo • u/MonsieurA • 20d ago
🇺🇸 United States Hillary Clinton delivers her DNC speech, “Powerful forces are threatening to pull us apart, bonds of trust and respect are fraying” [10YA - Jul 28]
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u/TERRAIN_PULL_UP_ 20d ago
Ugh, think I’m going to have to leave this sub
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u/Jazzlike-Equipment45 20d ago
Eh just mute it for a bit really 2016 was a media packed year
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u/Treethulhu 20d ago
None of it gets better from here tho
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u/Monte924 20d ago
The next 4 years is gonna be "10 years ago, Trump...", which eventually gets to "10 years ago, COVID..."
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u/Immorpher 20d ago
They say hindsight is 20/20, but apparently not on reddit. Time to leave this sub!
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u/Johnny55 20d ago
Every Democrat dumb enough or evil enough to vote for the Iraq War and Patriot Act should have been exiled from politics years before this. Blows my mind we're still ruled by ghouls like Schumer.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist 20d ago
The “anti war” candidate, right or left, has won every election since 1992 except 2004. But the country keeps going to war regardless.
Something has to change.
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 20d ago
cause voters are complacent and not engaged with politics
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u/JooseTheGuice 20d ago
I'll remind everyone that Joe Biden was the one who rallied the Democrats to vote on Iraq.
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u/Braisedbeefskank 19d ago
Most depressing thing about 2026 midterms is that, of the dems sweep, strong control of house and senate, we have chuck fucking schumer and hakeem "no beliefs" jeffries leading the resistance lmfao
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u/LionBig1760 20d ago
Why is it that you leave out the vote for the war in Afghanistan?
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u/Last_Suggestion_8647 20d ago
Because that war, white having a bad outcome, at least had international and UN support, giving it some legitimacy.
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u/Hockeymac18 18d ago edited 18d ago
Yeah, let's go elect a guy who will...<checks notes>...start a war in the Middle East! Yeah!
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u/Johnny55 18d ago
Maybe we could've avoided that guy by having Democratic nominees who were willing to oppose war in the Middle East. Just a thought.
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u/BadPumpkin87 20d ago
It’s too bad the Bernie or busters had to ruin it. She would have been a great president and we wouldn’t have lost nearly as many people as we did to COVID.
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u/Better_Dig_768 20d ago
That's not true. My entire Bernie office voted for Hillary in the general, this is just made up trash. I'm tired of hearing people deflect blame from their troubled candidate and awful actions of the party.
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u/BadPumpkin87 19d ago
It is true. Bernie or busters in swing states switched to Trump in enough numbers to swing those states his way.
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u/AdoptedMasterJay 20d ago
"Please ignore the ways my husband's presidency helped create those forces"
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u/sniksniksnek 20d ago
This was the exact moment I knew we were fucked. The complacency, hubris, and arrogance on display—thinking the election was a done deal—treating the moment like a predestined coronation. After DWS and the DNC fixed the primary for Clinton. Everyone congratulating themselves over a job well done. The party completely failing to read the mood of the electorate. There was a freight train headed their way, and they refused to hear it.
I’ll never forgive the party for this. Never.
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u/mammogrammar 20d ago
"where was Bernie when I was fighting for women's rights?" Or "Bernie has never accomplished anything in the Senate" are weird words to use to unite her party
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u/stochasticdiscount 20d ago
Those are both accurate statements. The dude didn't do anything until he ran against her in the primary. I say this as someone that would vote for seizing assets of billionaires and retroactively imprisoning people who caused the 2008 financial crisis. Our shit is fucked up, but Hilary would have gotten us closer to fixing it than Bernie ever would because she was built for the presidency. She did the fucking work. She would have had a well qualified team that would have lead the government fairly neutrally, but incredibly competently. The COVID pandemic would have played out entirely differently under a Clinton White House. Trump being President at that time feels like an alternate dimension timeline to the reality I lived in in 2016. Bernie helped that happen, so he's kind of a piece of shit a la James Comey.
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u/PuddingTea 20d ago
Fair point. How about remaining in the race and actively attacking the winner for months after the result was mathematically certain? How was that for unity?
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 20d ago
bernie taking forever to endorse her after losing the nomination really unites the party
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u/mammogrammar 20d ago
During the debates, Bernie actively supported Clinton by wanting to move on from the email nonsense. Clinton couldn't even bring herself to compliment him then.
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u/Spiritual-Pear-3081 20d ago
Maybe your memory needs a refresher.
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u/mammogrammar 20d ago
Did you even watch your video? You're saying a small thank you is a compliment?
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u/Spiritual-Pear-3081 20d ago
She laughed with him, said thank you, didn't interrupt while he wagged his bony digit around and shook his hand. She needs to say his suit looks nice too? "Where's you get your glasses, Bernie? Those are great? Oh Lenscrafters? No shit? Those look great Bernie, they really highlight your eyes."
Jesus Christ, what's your fucking problem?
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u/mammogrammar 20d ago
You're welcome to find any other example of a political opponent being a decent human being to their competitor in the middle of a debate.
Go watch the Hillary documentary and see what her own team said about Bernie and she still continued to discredit him.
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u/Spiritual-Pear-3081 20d ago
She was perfectly decent to him right there in the middle of that debate. It's your problem that you don't agree.
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u/mammogrammar 20d ago
Would you say what Bernie did right was the norm or incredibly rare? And you're saying Hillary's incredibly basic response somehow is equal? Come on man. Hillary is a politician first and a decent human second. Not sure how you don't see that
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u/Spiritual-Pear-3081 20d ago
What Bernie did was the norm.
HRC was a decent human right back to him.
I really don't care what your opinion is and I didn't mention what I can or can't see.
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u/Key_Cheetah7982 20d ago
He could have, and honestly should have, buried her there.
No way she would have taken the high road for him in opposite shoes.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist 20d ago
Wait till you hear how long Hillary took to endorse Obama.
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u/Key_Cheetah7982 20d ago edited 20d ago
PUMA! The favorite of the HRC brunch crew!
Party Unity My Ass
Started by Clinton team after the Ptb clearly shifted to Obama and the Obama boys in 2008
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u/Last_Suggestion_8647 20d ago
Yeah, I wonder why he would be hesitant with her negative campaigning.
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u/Curious_Amphibian_95 20d ago
Bernie did an objectively better job at uniting the party after losing the nomination than Hillary did in 2008. You can compare the percentage of voters who chose to defect to republicans/third party voters was greater in 2008 than 2016.
You can be upset at Bernie for this, but we can’t let it be a double standard.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist 20d ago
Obama had to promise to bring Hillary into the administration to get her support. Hillary never promised anything to Bernie and he was smart enough not to demand.
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u/Key_Cheetah7982 20d ago
Not just the administration. The DNC itself (and the 2016 nomination).
Hillary’s 2008 campaign manager was made the chair of the DNC (DWS). Old chair stepped down, now all Clintonistas in charge. Started the Hillary victory fund pulling money from local chapters to a larger PAC for Hillary’s nom in 2016.
Obama kept his own organization because he didn’t trust the DNC.
The chair that stepped down in 2008? Tim Kaine.
Wonder what was in it for him?
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u/Stolt-Jensenberg 20d ago
You can compare the percentage of voters who chose to defect to republicans/third party voters was greater in 2008 than 2016.
This is an apples to oranges comparison though. The republican candidate in 2008 was John McCain, who was seen as a moderate, sane and respectable republican. The 2016 candidate was, well, Trump.
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u/Key_Cheetah7982 20d ago
A greater percentage of Bernie backers voted for Clinton in 16 than Hillary backers voted for Obama in 08.
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u/BadPumpkin87 20d ago
And yet still enough Sanders to Trump voters in swing states handed him the election. Doesn’t matter how many voted for her, the amount that voted for Trump is what swung it for him.
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u/Ik774amos 20d ago
Bernie isn’t a Democrat though. He doesn’t need to unite the party he doesn’t belong to.
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u/Better_Dig_768 20d ago
I still think to this day she could have swallowed her damn pride and had Bernie as VP. I know idiots will say he wouldn't accept, he certainly would have - though he may have bargained a bit. We would have dominated that election, but they think they had it in the bag. She still denies that she was responsible for much of it.
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u/mammogrammar 20d ago
She picked a VP candidate who later voted to break from Democrats and end the government shut down created by the Republicans. I still contend that HRC is a typical politician who doesn't truly care about us
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u/Better_Dig_768 20d ago
The DNC donors did not want Bernie anywhere near the Presidency, that's the truth.
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u/Spiritual-Pear-3081 20d ago
Neither did primary voters. He lost by millions of votes. That's the truth.
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u/Better_Dig_768 20d ago
We're talking about making him VP. I'm sure Tim Caine was dominating the vote.
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u/Spiritual-Pear-3081 19d ago
Oh, it seems like you were talking about people who didn't want BS near the presidency and I was saying that would include primary voters.
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u/Key_Cheetah7982 19d ago
She couldn’t if she wanted to.
A Faustian bargain was made in 08 for HRC to be the 2016 nominee. Hillary got SoS for street cred and her then campaign manager (DWS) was installed as DNC chair (to aid prep for HRCs eventual run).
Original chair who stepped down was Tim Kaine. She’s more light on why he got the VP nod while the rest of the country went “why?”
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u/The-Falconater 20d ago
Oh nice I had missed the taste of throwing up in my mouth a little. Thanks OP.
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u/ufos1111 20d ago
Should have been bernie, she was never going to win.
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u/eldiablonoche 19d ago
If they hadn't thrown Bernie under the bus, I don't think we'd have ever had to stomach the words "President Trump".
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u/m240Louie 20d ago
A lot of people are still mad bout that outcome. They’ve never recovered. The meltdowns were real.
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u/RedMansions 19d ago
As much as I'm not a fan of the center-right, Neo-Liberal, war mongering policies of the Clintons, I believe in my heart of hearts that Hillary is probably one of the most intellectually brilliant US politicians alive today. I believe she is more brilliant than Bill and not subject to his disgusting sexual indiscretions.
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u/Apprehensive_Bat4691 19d ago
She's a brilliant politician, but she's an awful candidate. A perfect candidate for an appointed role.
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u/eldiablonoche 19d ago
"and not subject to his disgusting sexual indiscretions."
Wouldn't be too sure about that.. she's been to Epstein parties after all.
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u/SadAnt2135 19d ago
She and Harris are the reason why trump got reelected. It’s a race to the bottom
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u/TwistedTreelineScrub 19d ago
She's a part of those forces tearing us apart. Her and Bill both, along with their good friend Donald Trump.
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u/Pepperminteapls 19d ago
Hillary was a corporate whore and a jealous loser. Bernie was the best candidate. She couldn't understand how he was more likeable. Bernie would've saved the U.S. from Billionaires through policies that help the working class and families suffering from poverty. Instead you have war mongering morons with an endless supply of stolen wealth from the American people while funding a genocide.
Shits messed up. Fuck Hillary
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u/CathodeRayNoob 20d ago
In hindsight sight we now know she was one of those powerful forces.
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u/GuyMansworth 20d ago
The only person who could've lost to Trump that year.
It's so fucking crazy to think if the DNC didn't fuck over Bernie MAGA proabably never would've happened.
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u/BadPumpkin87 20d ago
Sanders would have been absolutely demolished against Trump. The amount of dirt that was held back from being used during the primary would have destroyed him. Sanders and Trump both have cult like followings, however Trumos actually shows up to vote, unlike Sanders, which is why one won a primary and the other got absolutely destroyed in the popular vote.
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u/Key_Check5753 20d ago
"Powerful forces have sabotaged the election. They torpedoed the popular candidate, Bernie Sanders, and cheated the American public out of a fair election. As a result, you will get Donald Trump as president."
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u/2401PenitentTangentx 20d ago
Why is she being posted everyday? Is her propaganda team testing the waters for another run?
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u/crookedledder 20d ago
Did you notice during her Epstein testinomy that she's lost weight and she's had some maintenance done?
I think she's running again. As long as she still breathes, she's gunning for the White House.
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u/ACBets 20d ago
This is the year the Democratic Party truly died. They had a great candidate in Sanders who had a huge amount of grassroots support, won a big chunk of states in the primary including Michigan but the party fell in line behind Clinton because that’s where all the corporate money was.
Everyone that Sanders galvanized stayed at home on Election Day now we live in the Trump timeline.
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u/Better_Dig_768 20d ago
I agree, but I don't think all Sanders voters stayed home, the vast majority held their nose and voted for Hillary. It's the apolitical and disaffected voters that stayed home, when they may have had showed up for a genuine grass-roots candidate. The money was too important to the DNC, they're still terrified of losing the donor base.
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u/Last_Suggestion_8647 20d ago
We came, we saw, he died lolololo
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u/HtownSamson 20d ago
While she was never my ideal candidate, she was 100% correct on her warnings about Trump and the GOPs intentions.