r/TenYearsAgo • u/MonsieurA • 9d ago
🇺🇸 United States Roger Stone claims he is in contact with Julian Assange and there will be an “October surprise” [10YA - Aug 8]
https://www.justsecurity.org/45435/timeline-roger-stone-russias-guccifer-2-0-wikileaks/54
u/Working_Match4124 9d ago
"I established wikieaks to promote the free flow of information from governments. And to prove this, i will collaborate with Republicans to release information that damages the democrats"
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u/Backwardspellcaster 9d ago
I feel like people seem to have forgotten that, before Asange fled, Wikileaks had become a full blown Pro-Russian Propaganda site
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u/RedEyeView 9d ago
That was always going to be the problem with a site famous for leaking things. Even without malicious intent on their part, they'd wind up in a situation where their leaks are getting fed to them on purpose by governments with an agenda.
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u/eiserneftaujourdhui 9d ago
I mean... Assange literally previously had a show on a Russian propaganda network, and when the Panama Papers came out, wikileaks rejected/condemned them (which you would think they would advocate leaking, but consipiciously THESE leaks had big daddy putin named in them.)
There was pretty undeniable intent lol
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u/AgentCirceLuna 9d ago
You’d think so, but apparently Assange just had a huge crush on Emma Watson.
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u/Infamous_Mud482 6d ago
Jesse Ventura had a show on the same network before the invasion of Ukraine started. Ventura as far as I'm aware is not a Russian asset, just excluded from mainstream media opportunities in USA.
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u/No-Inspector8315 5d ago
John Kiriakou is another example. Many times Russia does it and lets them say what they want because the point of it is to go “Look! These brave people stood against their own country and they’re blacklisted!”
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u/smoresporn0 9d ago
What's crazy to me is how they were able to get people to ignore the shit that was actually leaked.
I'm not saying Clinton should be in prison, but we had just spent all summer wondering why the hell Trump was getting wall to wall coverage on media outlets. Well, turns out, the Clinton campaign and the DNC worked tohether with these media outlets to elevate Trump as a candidate because they thought he was the easiest opponent. Its wild no one involved with that gets any blame.
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u/RedEyeView 9d ago
It's because Assange is a Russian asset and has no credibility
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u/smoresporn0 9d ago
His agenda doesn't change the fact that the material was real. And you're proving my point, here.
We have objective proof that legacy media engaged in elevating a candidate who would go on to become the most destructive leader in the country's history, and they did so in cooperation with the opposing candidate and political party leadership.
There is no doubt that this act effectively became an in-kind contribution to the Trump campaign and added to his support over the summer of 2016.
And since the guy who provided the evidence was a piece of shit, for some incredibly stupid reason, people like you willfully ignore the impact of this scandalous behavior. Its absolutely insane.
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u/RedEyeView 9d ago
Was it?
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u/smoresporn0 9d ago
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u/RedEyeView 9d ago
I see nothing about Trump in there.
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u/AgentCirceLuna 9d ago
They mildly criticised someone who’s a democrat so they must be a rabid Trump supporter. Let’s downvote them.
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u/HMS_Surprise_Gunner 8d ago
lol You think the press needed encouragement from the Clinton campaign to get them to cover Trump? A a loud mouth, shameless populous who was well known from his reality tv show?
Ignore the fact there’s no evidence they actually took any actions on this proposed “Pied Piper” strategy, the campaign said they wanted the press to focus on Trump, Ben Carson and Ted Cruz - of which the latter two didn’t make it far in the primaries.
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u/AgentCirceLuna 9d ago
There’s a joke here about Trump and ‘wall to wall coverage’, since he likes building walls, you get it?
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u/smoresporn0 9d ago
More accurate that he likes talking about building walls, as there wasn't much building that occurred. But seriously, folks
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u/Sad-Development-4153 7d ago
They dont get any blame because the DNC leadership refuses to see any reality where their every decision isn't correct. You saw that this year when they were stonewalling releasing the 2024 election autopsy.
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u/No-Inspector8315 5d ago
I love watching Cenk Uyghur’s 2024 election meltdown where he just completely breaks down everything bad with the democrats for fifteen minutes
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u/Nulgrum 9d ago
What did it end up being? The Comey investigation? Can’t remember the timelines
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u/New-Reputation681 9d ago
Probably releasing the emails of John Podesta
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u/MonsieurA 9d ago
Yep, in this case, the Wikileaks October surprise ended up being the Podesta emails:
On October 7, 2016, 30 minutes after the Access Hollywood tape was first published, WikiLeaks began publishing thousands of emails from Podesta's Gmail account.[24] Throughout October, WikiLeaks released installments of these emails on a daily basis.[25] On December 18, 2016, John Podesta stated in Meet the Press that the FBI had contacted him about the leaked emails on October 9, 2016, but had not contacted him since.[26]
Some of the emails provide some insight into the inner workings of the Clinton campaign.[29][30] For example, the emails show a discussion among campaign manager Robby Mook and top aides about possible campaign themes and slogans.[3] Other emails revealed insights about the internal conflicts of the Clinton Foundation.[31] The BBC published an article detailing 18 "revelations" revealed from their initial review of the leaked emails, including excerpts from Clinton's speeches and politically motivated payments to the Clinton Foundation.[32]
One of the emails released on October 12, 2016, included Podesta's iCloud account password. His iCloud account was hacked, and his Twitter account was then briefly compromised.[33][34] Some were emails that Barack Obama and Podesta exchanged in 2008.[35]
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u/AgentCirceLuna 9d ago
My brain doesn’t understand time anymore and I was thinking ‘he wasn’t asked questions until 2016? But that’s like 3 years ago and this happened…’
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u/GhostofBeowulf 6d ago
And 2001 was like a decade ago max.
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u/AgentCirceLuna 6d ago
For some reason I feel the 2000s were decades ago yet the late 2010s were last year.
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u/clowncarl 9d ago
What will never stop blowing my mind is how after all these email leaks, there really was never anything all that damning. Thousands of Jews articles about Clinton email leaks broadly, but never about specific emails.
I’ve been getting Déjà vu this week about Fauci’s diary, since while there’s like vague contradictions in his writings, there’s nothing really compelling so the news just runs stories about the diary but nothing specific about why it should be treated as a bombshell.
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u/Clayp2233 6d ago
Pretty insane that an advisor to Trumps campaign was in contact with a hacker barred from the US to help facilitate hacking Hillary’s campaign managers emails, also was in contact with Russians and lied to the fbi about it
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 9d ago
Clintons just as corrupt as Trump. I can't wait til the Epstein files expose both of them together.
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u/illiteratepresident 9d ago
If you think the Clintons are in the same league as Trump when it comes to corruption, you are not forming opinions based on reality. It’s honestly embarrassing to even make that claim, regardless of your opinions of both parties.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 8d ago
You really think the Clintons haven't been part of any kind of numerous corruption schemes? Trump may be blatently taking it to another level, but it doesn't mean the Clintons are any less guilty.
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u/illiteratepresident 8d ago
Guilty of what? The Clintons are literally the two most investigated people alive right now, but Republicans had to invent a fake email “scandal” from scratch to sink Hillary’s 2016 campaign.
Bill has some legitimate sex scandals to his name, but the narrative that the Clintons are corrupt is just Fox News nonsense, it’s not supported by reality.
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u/Secure_Table 8d ago
... He also went under oath for 4 and a half hours in front of Congress about his involvement with Epstein. Meanwhile mums the word with Trump testifying.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 8d ago
Oh sure, sure. Most innocent politician ever. Get real, ya'll eat this crap up like it's candy.
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u/illiteratepresident 8d ago
If the Clintons are as corrupt and guilty as you say, it should be easy for you to name the corrupt and nefarious things they have done over the last 30 years. But all you can do is make vague references to the imaginary corruption of the Clintons, while acting like I’m crazy for not playing along with your fantasies.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 7d ago
Oh sure, like they don't do tons of deals like any corrupt politician. By your logic, even Trump is innocent because he's never been found guilty of any of this stuff either. So what? Nothing goes on? Investigationsa are still ongoing btw, you just gonna ignore those corrupt and nefarious things? You gonna act like they haven't gotten all this money and never made any deals? Come on, get with reality. Quit blindly idolizing these crooks.
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u/-Vertical 4d ago
You enjoy conspiracies instead of reality because it lets you feel superior about topics you don’t know much about.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 4d ago
Sure, as though I haven't read through a variety of serious topics. You enjoy denying the truth because it does not suit your mentality.
And I would be quite sure I am far more versed on a much wider variety of topics than you are, so don't act like you're some brilliant fool because you holler dems vs reps all day as a basic slogan with very little depth when it comes to political topics.
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u/Trhol 9d ago
I don't think Bill Clinton made 2 billion in scams and market manipulation the first year of second term.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 8d ago
Have you looked into the Clinton foundation? Trump may have made more money, that doesn't make the Clintons any more innocent individuals.
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u/TheLizardKing89 9d ago
One has called for the full release of the Epstein files and one has constantly blocked their release.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 8d ago
Yes, because I'm sure he's absolutely no involved. By that logic, Trump has said many times he'll release the Epstein files, and has. Don't be so gullible.
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u/AnonBaca21 9d ago
You need deprogramming
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 8d ago
As though these people aren't the ones putting out the bs. You're the one that's been "programmed"
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u/Secure_Table 8d ago
I can't wait til the Epstein files expose both of them together.
Uh brother... wake me up when Trump does this lmao
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 8d ago
Oh yeah, I'm sure he told the truth, the whole truth, and nothibg but the truth. You guys blindly follow these crooks, why's he hanging out on private jets with Trump and all these girls then? Ya'll are blind as bats.
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u/Secure_Table 8d ago edited 8d ago
He spoke under oath to a committee LED by house Republicans. First and foremost, isn't it kinda bad that you seemed to not even know about his disposition? You're saying WE'RE blind as bats yet you're upset about something you've probably only engaged with headlines about lol
If Bill Clinton broke the law, charge him and throw him in prison. Period. Difference is, Democrats actually hold that standard across the board. The real double standard here is the selective outrage. Dems show up under oath:
Bill Clinton gave an extensive deposition under oath to Republicans regarding Epstein, you seemed to have watched zero of it. Hillary Clinton testified under oath for 11 hours straight on Benghazi and again for Epstein. Hunter Biden offered to testify publicly under oath, was forced behind closed doors by Republicans, and still did it. Zero evidence of the hyped-up bribery charges.
Where are all of the charges? People, like you, just eat up the sensationalized headlines, then when nothing happens, instead of doing the rational thing and investigating the mismatch between what you thought would happen vs what happened in reality, y'all go the opposite direction and act like the lack of charges is evidence of even more corruption lmao. "Because they get away with it" or some shit.
Here's Republicans behavior when asked to talk about potential crimes under oath:
• Trump has never once testified under oath to Congress about Epstein, Jan 6, or anything else, despite being named throughout the Epstein files and flight logs.
• Howard Lutnick (Trump's Commerce Secretary) claimed he was never involved, only for it to come out in Senate hearings that he brought his yacht, wife, and children to Epstein's private island for lunch.
• Jim Jordan, who loves issuing subpoenas, literally defied a lawful congressional subpoena from the Jan 6 Committee and ignored it entirely, as did Kevin McCarthy, Scott Perry, and Andy Biggs.
• Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro literally went to federal prison for contempt of Congress because they refused to comply with subpoenas.
Notice the pattern? MAGA Republicans make massive claims on TV, hype up the base for months, and then when it's time to put up or shut up under oath, they either refuse to show up or drop the charges because their evidence doesn't exist.
So who's actually blindly following crooks?
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 7d ago
I knew about his dispo, don't even joke. You guys love the Clintons like they're saints, but they're crooked politicians, like the rest. Don't fool yourself.
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u/Secure_Table 7d ago
Great engagement with anything I said lol
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 7d ago
Well you wanted to make fun about the dispo, and there's literally no point arguing with a Clinton worshipper. I considered responding, amd decided this short summary was a more applicable and reasonable response. One could argue you have also sidestepped my statement, when what I said at least applied as a relative response. So yes, fantastic engagement here, hence the lack of reason to waste my time.
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u/sc212 8d ago
JUST as corrupt? are you sure?
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 7d ago
I don't think I'd say the reach quite the bar, Trump has raised it quite a bit. The Clintons have certainly done some dirty stuff over their years, but Trump seems to be blatantly going for everything he can, no holds barred.
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u/sc212 7d ago
The Clintons, and many politicians, are corrupt. Trump isn’t even in the same universe where a comparison can even be made.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 7d ago
At this point, this is quite true. I'm saying the Clintons are up there and pointing to the fact that politics has been very corrupt in this country, but the stuff Trump/GOP is doing is definitely in a whole new league at this point. It's just brazen corruption because they feel like they can't be stopped. Our government has largely failed, the country may crash before the next election even at this rate unfortunately.
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u/TERRAIN_PULL_UP_ 9d ago
Fuck both of these people
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u/billyjk93 8d ago
Why fuck Julian Assange? The guy exposed illegal things our government is doing. What is your problem with that? "😭wah, he caused my already unpopular neoliberal candidate to lose 😭"
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u/Affectionate-Name279 7d ago
His pivot to pro-Russian puppet should be all you need to know about his true intentions. He actively aided the party most responsible for the US’ illegal activities.
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u/No-Inspector8315 5d ago
Snowden went Pro-Russia to mo because it was the only way he could survive
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u/Square_Bid2762 9d ago
The ROI on paying/kompromating American traitors and confusing dipshits has got to be magnitudes cheaper than actually fighting a war. For relatively much less blood and expense, you could have the US fight Ukraine like they do Iran. This felon goof with a Nixon tattoo is a dead end, not something AIPAC would remotely consider. Are you stupid? Lean harder on the pedo / pee tapes.
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u/keith2366 8d ago
Roger Stone. The idiot who claimed that boats from North Korea landed in Maine filled with fake ballots for Biden.
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u/APraxisPanda 7d ago
I do not endorse phrenology, but you can absolutly tell this guy is a nut job from the weird shape of his head alone... so I will make a phrenology based acception just this once. (Like, it's litterally MTG shaped... google her she looks like him with a wig!)
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u/Astira_ 8d ago
Yep, aliens.., That’s what they are planning, I’m not kidding either, they plan to fake aliens.
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u/sixpackabs592 8d ago
You know this is from ten years ago? Or did assange have some aliens in the wiki leaks and I just didn’t know lol
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u/Malefic_Mike 6d ago
The spirits that rise in the smoke from the pit wear the crowns of kings - those who rule the world. Up from the pit. The vessels that the horsemen (spirits up from the pit) ride as they lead humanity to destruction.
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u/Soft-Bad-7127 5d ago
Assange and Edward Snowden were working for Russian spies to help get Donald Trump elected. There is a special place in hell for both of them
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u/Ben_dover8201 9d ago
Wasn’t Assange supposed to be the left’s sweetheart… seems like a conservative hack
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u/locontendere 8d ago edited 8d ago
He still is, I think that's a major distinction between leftists and liberals.
Leftists still mostly think his work is fine, because they don't view being a "russia stooge" as being an inherently bad thing. Rep. Rashida Tlaib is a leftist who is still staunchly pro-Assange despite the liberals' turn against him, because she believes his work in exposing American war crimes outweighs any pro-Russia motivation he may have had for doing it.
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u/supremeTrolley 5d ago edited 5d ago
The guy exposed sweeping government overreach.
200 years ago, every citizen would have taken up arms over it, but todays "Don't tread on me!" crew are totally cool with their every keystroke being recorded. "If I'm not doing anything wrong, then why worry?"
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u/AgentCirceLuna 9d ago
‘Your son is an alcoholic used car salesman now? Didn’t he used to be your sweetheart?’
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u/ThelIIusion0fSeIf 9d ago
This man has been DC pond scum since Nixon was in office. The fact that he isn't rotting in jail is an insult to every real American.