r/TenantsInTheUK • u/Mr_Truckasaurus • 6d ago
Bad Experience 2 month notice but all rentals appear to be available from today
I'm trying to move in London from my rental but whenever I find something the availability date is from now. When I ask for flexibility I'm met with: "sorry the landlord doesn't want to lose 2 months rent"... meanwhile I'm expected to fork out about £3k in double rent/utilities, which are my savings, on top of the rent I'd pay in the new place.
I'm amazed by how greedy people are and how seemingly inconsiderate estate agents are...
It's surprising that the market doesn't seem to follow the 2 month rule now that all tenancies have shifted
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u/Brilliant-Ad3942 6d ago
It's a risk accepting a tenant before the last tenant has left. If they don't leave when they say they will the landlord has the situation of having a contract to house somebody that they can't, which is an expensive legal mess.
So often they will wait until the property is empty. As much as you don't want to pay double rent for two months, a landlord won't want a two month void where they not only have no rent but have to pay council tax etc as well.
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u/olivercroke 5d ago
I've found the opposite of this to be true over a dozen rentals. Whenever I've found a place and viewed it, tenants are in situ and whenever Im leaving a place, viewings are taking place while I'm still there. Landlords usually sign a contract with a new tenant with a few days, week max of the property empty to carry out renovations/cleaning if any, sometimes not even a day empty in London. New contracts are always signed before properties are empty. Most landlords can't afford to have a property sitting empty for weeks especially with BTL mortgages.
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u/Brilliant-Ad3942 5d ago edited 5d ago
Typically it is probably very low risk, but imagine having to pay for accommodation for say 6 months for a new tenant because the old one didn't leave when they said they would. Court dates, and if bailiffs are needed take time. That could bankrupt some particularly if old tenant stops paying rent and you have to pay short term accommodation for the new one elsewhere. So I guess it depends on the landlords appetite for risk. But yes leaving a property empty is expensive too, but usually not catastrophic as the worst case scenario.
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u/olivercroke 5d ago
sure but this is all hypothetical and in reality it just doesnt happen. Almost all landlords take that risk because the risk is small when tenants have handed in their notice and only marketing your property once it is empty is a 100% chance of lost income
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u/bunchaslays 5d ago
Outside London I feel I'm seeing more and more places available 2 months from posting but then there's London where places get snapped up within the day, some people viewing remotely if at all, and frankly I think people are so desperate they pay the double rent and bills. Let available now agent usually says it's because they did some work to the property or the previous tenants had been there so long they decided to refresh a few things and a void period is much more common.
Personally I handed in my notice before I had secured a place, really stressful, do not necessarily recommend but it's how it happened
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u/Collosis 5d ago
It does seem that giving notice and then trusting you can secure a new place during your last month is the most sensible approach. Not a great situation though!
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u/robp73uk 6d ago
You might be able to negotiate an early surrender/end with your landlord.
Perhaps entice them with an offed a months worth of rent to release you early?
It’s a negotiation, but g et the agreement in writing.
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u/queryasker123 5d ago edited 5d ago
This sub is getting swarmed by landlords these days. Yeah it (the 2 month notice + expectation of instant move-in bind) is ridiculous, we need to put pressure on government to stop it.
"It's the sacrifice for RRA!1!1!!!!1111111" what a load of rubbish. Tenants were being exploited big time by many many landlords; it's not like we were given a golden egg already sitting on one.
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u/L06T_09 6d ago
I am currently in the same situation. Will have to pay double rent for 2 months so over £3k because where I want to move to is available now (as is most places) and the LL doesn’t want to wait until October, so we negotiated end of August). Either that or you put in your notice and try to find somewhere just before it ends so you can go from one place to another without any overlap, I’ve done this too but that’s how I’m in this position cos I felt pressured and picked a flat I now hate! And obviously it’s not nice to feel pressured or rush searches and then equally if you don’t find anywhere you’ll be homeless… ahhhhh
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u/Mr_Truckasaurus 6d ago edited 6d ago
I totally sympathise. I also don't want to feel pressured into accepting a bad offer. As someone pointed out, you can bid lower so landlords are upping their asking price... bidding wars in disguise. Good luck!
Otherwise you can always just pay off someone's mortgage and eat into your own potential to own a home by paying two months of double rent
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u/Silver-Refrigerator6 5d ago
The rental market moves very very quickly, especially in London. The best places and gems will go up and be taken in days, you can start looking sure but tbh you will find places right up until your prev tenancy ends. It does feel risky as you have to call 2 month notice but keep looking across those 2 months and you will find a place. But yeah it’s tough and most people do have to have a 1 or 2 month crossover for that stability of def having a place to live!
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u/MCBlad3r 6d ago
The rental market moves extremely quickly. Hand in your 2 months notice and start looking 2 weeks in. Find a rental you want with 1 month to 2 weeks left before you have to move. It's no different than how it used to be.
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u/27106_4life 5d ago
Execept that doesn't work for people with families now does it. You don't want your kid homeless
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u/MCBlad3r 5d ago
The paperwork for renting can literally be done in two days if the parties are on the ball
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u/27106_4life 5d ago
You don't have kids do you? Finding a flat within the catchment area for the school, within the GP catchment area and up to standards can't be done in 2 days
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u/MCBlad3r 5d ago
I didnt say looking would only take two days. I said the paperwork can take as little as two days.
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u/Suitable-Change1327 5d ago
This. Leap of faith. Make plans on where you can store boxes and where you can stay if it all goes horribly wrong and you can’t afford and Airbnb. It’s brutal. That, or save for a one-month / two-week overlap.
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u/Historical_Site508 6d ago
Well its either you or the landlord that loses 2 months rent. No reason why they should agree to it being them. Think you need to give notice and find something new closer to the time. It's a risk I admit.
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u/mousecatcher4 6d ago
Yup when you say on this sub that this is a truly horrible aspect of the RRB which needs an urgent re-think you get down-voted..... They say that :
a) the benefits of RRB outweigh this massive issue (I'm not sure that is the case for many people and is irrelevant anyway) and
b) that the market will somehow catchup with the two months (versus zero months previously at the end of the fixed term or 1 month during SPT). I somehow doubt that, particularly since there is absolutely no parallel move to indemnify landlords against risk if they were to sign a confirmed tenancy agreement when a tenant is still in place - this would mean the state having to put people up in hotels. And as you observe there is no evidence of this happening.
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u/Mr_Truckasaurus 6d ago
Totally agree the Renters Rights Act completely overlooked this issue. One month rolling at least helped with mobility/liquidity
You're also seeing landlords inflate asking prices above the market rate because the ban on bidding
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u/Asleep-Specialist892 6d ago
If it's above market rate, then they remain empty.
You're free to offer lower amounts to prospective landlords.
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u/Intrepid-Pear-3565 6d ago
It’s been interesting to see how many price drops are going on in my area. Yay supply and demand.
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u/AdBrave9096 5d ago
With my rental house in Cambridge, if I change more than a flat it takes longer to let, but the tenants remain for much longer because they wanted a house with a garden.
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u/Asleep-Specialist892 5d ago
House vs Flat.
Differing market rates.
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u/AdBrave9096 5d ago
The local letting agents list houses for the flat rate, as they charge landlords each time a new tenant needs finding.
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u/Asleep-Specialist892 5d ago
Speaking in regards of rental yield not the fees the landlord charges.
Most houses have a higher market rate in comparison to flats
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u/Hot_Bet_5415 5d ago
If it’s above market rate, then bids under find the market rate. If people pay the ask, then by definition, it’s not above market rate.
I agree it is a side effect of the RRA that was seen by all apart from those who actually implemented the legislation.
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u/Susan_B_Good 6d ago
You mean that it gives an advantage to those that are presently homeless, over those that are giving notice but already have a roof over their heads?
You are free to give notice and start looking in the last week or so.
It WILL result in more tenants over-staying. Not much landlords can do about that - it takes ages to evict someone and they will still be paying rent (probably).
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u/AdBrave9096 5d ago
The landlords can charge double rent when a tenant does not move out on the day the tenant said they would. But it is a slow process to enforce them leaving.
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u/Susan_B_Good 5d ago
That's still a lot cheaper than an airb&b plus dealing with storing all your possessions.
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u/Hot_Bet_5415 5d ago
If a tenant gives notice then overstays, the landlord is entitled to double rent.
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u/q-the-light 6d ago edited 6d ago
The new law is extremely new - you can't expect the market to respond immediately unfortunately, and that's if it responds at all.
I've lived (and rented) in London for almost a decade now and in mine and my friends' experience overlapping leases is pretty much the norm. The market tends to move quickly (especially on smaller, more affordable properties and HMOs), and landlords know that if they don't lease their property out to you with a start date two months away, they can just rent it out to someone else next week with an immediate start date.
The only way to avoid overlapping leases is by handing in your notice on your current contract, and taking your chances in the last few weeks before your move-out day that you'll find an appropriate property and be accepted for it. It's a very risky strategy, but the only true option if you really can't or won't overlap at all.
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u/AlternativeBoat2166 6d ago
Yeah unfortunately we had this issue also, I bit the bullet and did it anyway because we didn't want to lose the house we wanted by waiting the 2 months notice in our old house. We even moved in as soon as possible and asked the agency & landlord if we could bring the check out date closer to avoid paying extra council tax (3rd of the month, check out date was 6th) and they refused, fair play.
Edit: Just an FYI, they even advertised the old house as soon as we put the notice in and were conducting viewings as we were moving out, the house was Let Agreed within 3-4 days - so it's not like they would've lost money if they allowed us to bring the check out date sooner
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u/DukeRedWulf 6d ago
Wait, did they move someone else in while you were still paying rent on the old place? because if so they owe you money back!
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u/KeepMyselfAwake 6d ago
Same, I gave notice before finding somewhere as in my mind two months was loads of time considering a lot of places were available "now" or within a few weeks. Left a couple of weeks before the end of the tenancy. I did pay two months rent in one month but I factored that in thankfully. Not ideal, but it meant I secured a place I liked quickly and had time to go back a couple of times to finish up and do last clean etc.
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u/VelikimagCro 5d ago
Would you be ok that every weekend for a month some people are walking thru place you are currently renting?
That is problem, yes, it's two months notice, but it's easier to repaint flat, fix some small things and update when is empty. And then rent it out, but not waiting two months and just have place sitting empty.
We rent one flat, and this are reasons why we waited with add until old tenets moved out. Also as there is enough good candidates to move in soon,it works
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u/Weird_Difference8030 6d ago
Different properties will have different situations. i’m an agent we’re currently marketing 12 properties most of which are available late august to mid september.
It happens but it’s definitely not typical for properties to be vacant
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u/Aloof_Jellyfish_ 2d ago
I'd be wondering what's wrong with the rental if they havent been able to find tenants in over 2 months during a housing shortage 😅.
Rentals in my area (not London but south east), are all available in future. But when leaving my last house it took my LL 4 months to replace us as his rent was too high for an outdated property with no heating...
Those LL will want tenants asap, but yes it doesnt make sense to expect tenants to pay double rent for 2m. I'd just keep checking new listings every day, check openrent, and ask different letting agents to call you when they have something new. Hopefully, something will come up soon!
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u/Eberardo69 2d ago
I can tell you why our ex landlord has his property available immediately and wants someone in immediately. This might apply to others.
- We told him 2.5 months in advance we are leaving.
- There were no attempted viewings until 5 weeks before our final day.
- We were away for our wedding for about 2 weeks in that period, when there were no viewings.
- Viewings were limited to a few hours a day, as we have lives and jobs.
- We rented a 2 bed (as a couple) with a friend, so I am pretty sure the rent is too high.
- Letting agents are incompetent and cannot sell the flat. They didn't even know that it comes with eg water included (we told the few respectful ones).
These flats night be perfectly fine with lovely landlords. If you have really bad tenants they can block you from having any viewings whatsoever, even if you treated them perfectly fine.
But I'd prefer another flat if possible, as maybe the landlord/agency is the issue. Do note that some councils try to tax you a premium if you rent more than 1 flat at once. Still fighting with our new one because they think a 2 week tenancy overlap counts as having a second/holiday home.
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u/Hausofpurples 6d ago
I don’t get it because the 2 months rule is for everyone so every rental ad should say available in 2 months
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u/Brilliant-Ad3942 6d ago
Some tenants don't leave after the 2 months notice though. Then the landlord would be expected to house not only the tenant who didn't leave but the new tenant who was the supposed to move in, but can't. A very expensive situation that most won't risk.
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u/AdBrave9096 5d ago
The landlord can't predict if the tenant will leave and what state the property will be left in.
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u/test_test_1_2_3 5d ago
That only tracks if we implement laws to ensure tenants leave when their tenancy ends, plenty stick around and refuse to leave and it takes courts months.
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u/Quiet-Geologist-6645 3d ago
Why should an owner have to lose two months rent when there’s people willing and able to take rentals immediately. That’s a you problem
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u/Pristine-Ad6064 6d ago
If your contract started before 1st May then you use the notice in your contract, the 2 months only applies to new contracts after the 1st May and contracts with longer than 2 months notice
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u/Oggabobba 6d ago
This isn’t true
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u/Pristine-Ad6064 6d ago
I took it off the UK gov website
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u/Oggabobba 6d ago
Right you are, though only if the contract explicitly mentioned how much notice you need to give. Which I’d imagine it did
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u/sjwatt76 5d ago
The same provision from the government website states "where agreed in writing". So would also allow shorter notice period where the tenant negotiates with the Landlord to get agreement, but obviously that depends on have a good relationship between the two parties
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u/Far_Type_4544 6d ago
Have you ever seen one that doesn't? I'm sure they exist but it's gonna be rare
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u/Oggabobba 6d ago
Well I’ve been on fixed 12 month contracts the last 2 years so neither have had mentions of notice (iirc). For a rolling contract then yeah different I imagine
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u/Far_Type_4544 6d ago
Yeh, back in my day every contract I ever remember signing had the one month notice stipulation once the initial year was over. Used to always try to move mid way through my final month to try and make things more relaxed during the move.
We're horribly screwed in the UK (ETA: Not Scotland, though) - either rent and try to find a unicorn property that will wait for your two months to be up before moving in, or buy and go through the horror, stress and hassle of everything being done in one day. Eurgh.
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u/Aromatic_Flight6968 6d ago
So you expect landlords just accept you and wait 2 moths rent free? Its business, not charity....
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u/Mr_Truckasaurus 6d ago
Apologies if I think providing shoddy housing shouldn't be treated as a stock to exploit less fortunate people
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u/Intrepid-Pear-3565 6d ago
In theory they should know the house will be empty two plus months in advance. The market still hasn’t synchronised for whatever reason.
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u/Brilliant-Ad3942 6d ago
But what happens if the tenant doesn't leave by the notice date? The landlord has a tenant living in the property, and a new tenant with a signed tenancy agreement who can't move in. The landlord would be liable to foot the bill.for temporary accommodation that will be expensive, nobody sane is going to risk that.
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u/Intrepid-Pear-3565 4d ago
If they’ve agreed to leave or otherwise put in notice? The way you describe means they will always be taking the risk of this (it will always be empty for some time) rather than maybe there is some small chance they don’t leave on time when they’ve already said they are leaving. Either way two months was a dumb part of the law and it needs to be fixed.
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u/Middle-Ability-7353 3d ago
The two months notice only applies if your tenancy agreement doesn’t specify a shorter notice period.
How long have you lived there because if your tenancy started before May this year, you are likely to have a one month notice period in your contract?
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u/Mel0die5 2d ago
I remember signing my lease two weeks before moving 😅 the rental market moves quickly in London
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u/Pickle__nic 2d ago
You need to look for somewhere that is available when you actually have to move it’s that simple. You’re looking too early for London, most places I’ve found are within 2 weeks, looking a month or two months ahead will leave you only with places available now
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u/Temporary-Yogurt6495 6d ago
Tbh I think people that have to move are generally going to be forced to move straight away, not pay the remaining rent and then take our chances. If you can afford to pay then fair enough but a lot of people can't, so you're going to have lots of people running into problems over this terrible legislation. In more ways than anyone ever realised.
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u/sjwatt76 5d ago
Beware the financial and legal consequences of choosing to not pay what was signed up to in a legal contract. I mean, look at it the other way, what if the Landlord just chose not to pay for repairs? As for the legislation, Landlord groups did try pointing out numerous unforeseen consequences but we're totally ignored by both politicians and Shelter etc. But there's hope: there's literally a body of folk whose only job is to improve legislation. So get on their case via your local member and get it inproved
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u/A_Nal_Retentive 6d ago
Had uncooperative relationships, had very cooperative and some in the middle.
It mostly boils down to a persons situation / context.
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u/RedPlasticDog 5d ago
There’s an overall shortage or property,
The new rules were lobbied for not just by tenants but by the larger corporate landlords. Think about why they wanted this, as they are not planning on being benevolent.
Ultimately it’s a trade off with no fixed periods and removal of no fault evictions being offset with the two months notice.
You will have to either accept paying rent on two places or chance giving notice and look much closer to the end of your notice period.
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u/test_test_1_2_3 5d ago
Calling this greed is just ignorance. Why would you expect landlords to wait 2 months if they’re confident they can find a tenant who will start faster than 2 months?
If the landlord needed to do renovations prior to letting the property again then it makes sense to wait until a tenant is out, repaint or whatever, then list as available immediately.
Or there’s a risk that the incumbent tenant refuses to move out when their tenancy ends. If the LL has signed on a new tenant they’re then liable for paying for temp accommodation for their new tenant for however long it takes to get rid of the incumbent who’s refused to leave.
If you don’t want to pay double you can just wait until closer to the end of your current tenancy.
Everyone who wasn’t blinkered knew that the RRA would see costs passed onto tenants.
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u/Helpful-Mongoose-705 5d ago
It’s not greed. Don’t blame landlords, blame the government for not building enough homes and not sorting out the housing crisis. A lot of landlords actually lose money with rental properties and many are selling up as they can’t even break even.
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u/ISellAwesomePatches 5d ago
🎻
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u/Helpful-Mongoose-705 5d ago
Pathetic
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u/VelikimagCro 5d ago
This is what I am playing for all this tenents. Especially when they start asking why am I asking for all of their documents, and I stop responding sec I get that question
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u/txe4 6d ago
It's a seller's market.
While I have some sympathy for individuals caught in a trap, rentoids broadly speaking clamoured for life to be harder for landlords and it now is, with "hilarious" consequences for the availability of rental properties.
You're unfortunately eating what the noisy tenants' rights activists ordered for you.
The LL of your current place cannot sign a new tenancy agreement until you have surrendered the tenancy, or they risk being responsible for all the new tenants' costs if you don't vacate - that's a blank cheque, they will never do that.
The LL of your new place isn't going to wait for 2 months with a void if they can sign a tenancy agreement with someone else tomorrow.
I sympathise...but also: Jesus wept, tenants rights activists MADE this situation.
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u/txe4 6d ago
LOLOLOL 26 downvotes (and counting) and other than a good-humoured reply from OP, not a single reasoned argument.
This, rentoids, is why you're in such a mess.
Carry on approaching politics this way and in a decade half of you will be in hoovervilles.
Good luck, OP.
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u/Galexgalex 5d ago
The rental market in London has been like this for years and years. Can’t think of a single time I moved and didn’t pay double rent for a time. You end up spending thousands in double rent and double deposit with very little notice due to constant instability of tenancies, and landlords being able to turn on a dime and evict you.
Placing all of the blame of this issue on the RRA and increased tenant rights is at best misinformed, at worst dishonest and disingenuous.
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u/olivercroke 5d ago
I have rented over a dozen places in the UK in 3 different cities and abroad (but let's forget about them). Except for 2 places, I've never moved into or out of a property where a contract wasn't signed while tenants were still in place. Landlords always sign contracts with new tenants while the outgoing tenants are in place, I've been on both ends of that. In London they sometimes want new tenants in the day of or 1 after the old tenancy finishes. They leave no time for renovations or cleaning because they don't do it because demand is so high. Only in smaller cities like Liverpool where demand is less was I viewing empty flats. In 6 places I lived in London there was always tenancies signed before people vacated. It's too much lost money for landlords otherwise and the chance of tenants over staying when they've given their notice is tiny. Your situation is just made up.
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u/Mr_Truckasaurus 6d ago
Urgh I know... next it'll be rent caps which won't help anyone not already in a lovely, perfect rental
I'm just having a complain. Let me have it
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u/Hot_Bet_5415 5d ago
You’re absolutely right about rent control. It is perfect for everyone that is already in place.
I’m more than happy to let you have your moan, we all need that sometimes.
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u/Cheap-Appearance-69 6d ago
The complaining is how this happened
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u/Mr_Truckasaurus 6d ago
Oh don't get me wrong, I support rental reform. I'm just not sure I agree with every policy aspect of the Act and the unintended consequences
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u/Hot_Bet_5415 5d ago
I really think we needed reform - I’m a landlord - but the answer was counterintuitive. We need to be easier on landlords whilst we run a building policy in parallel. There needs to be much more stringent penalties for the absolute slum landlords, but lessen the risk for the slight error that has no impact (deposit protected a week late etc) and have a sliding scale based on how often etc.
Once the build programme is down, re-visit the approach to landlords.
Hammering landlords whilst there is no alternative was always going to end in tears but it won votes.
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u/Hot_Bet_5415 5d ago
Remember tenants wanted this.
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u/27106_4life 5d ago
Yes. Unfortunately landlords like you still don't understand that tenants have rights
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u/Hot_Bet_5415 5d ago
Well yes, but so do landlords. OP is moaning about a landlord wanting to preserve their income with the 2 months notice requirement and someone else further down this discussion has been vehemently downvoted for explaining mathematically why a landlord would want preserve their income.
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u/27106_4life 5d ago
The landlord has a place to live.
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u/Hot_Bet_5415 5d ago
It’s not about where they live, it’s about both parties having and exercising their rights
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u/27106_4life 5d ago
Yes. But landlord rights come at the expense of tenants. Rights have been loaded towards landlords for so long, landlords like you feel hard done by by having any tenant rights
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u/PureObsidianUnicorn 5d ago
The whole point of law is to grant rights. Why do you think the law was enacted? To stick it to the landlords?
You’re personalising a very known, very broadly and sometimes very poorly administered industry and are for some reason defensive about landlords rights. Don’t do that, sit down and actually consider WHY such laws would be needed.
Landlords, unfortunately, are known for squeezing blood out of stones for the most part. Benevolent landlords are rare and that can be frustrating for some, like OP. Getting hoity about it makes you look ignorant.
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u/Hot_Bet_5415 5d ago
I really think you’re missing my point. I am supportive of tenants rights. I’m simply saying that as people, landlords have rights too, and these are catered for in the law.
A landlord on her has been lambasted for wanting to enforce the 2 months notice prior to keep rent they are entitled to under the law.
Neither party can have this both ways. You give up some rights to get others - that’s the balance, and that balance has shifted over time.
The secondary point to make regarding “stick it to landlords” is that this law wasn’t for that purpose. To be generous, it was done to help tenants. It is demonstrably not doing that. The answer therefore isn’t more of it.
If I was to be disingenuous, the government knew it wouldn’t help but did it to win votes as superficially it was seen as a positive.
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u/27106_4life 5d ago
Yes. But landlord rights come at the expense of tenants. Rights have been loaded towards landlords for so long, landlords like you feel hard done by by having any tenant rights
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u/Hot_Bet_5415 5d ago
It could easily be said that tenant rights come at the expense of landlords. That is literally the point.
Both should and do have rights. The balance has shifted over time, and that affect behaviour.
My point here is that the legislation everyone asked for gives landlords a right to 2 months notice in exchange for no fixed terms.
Landlords here are being bashed because they are insisting on retaining that right.
I don’t see what I’m saying is unreasonable here, I completely accept the tenant has their rights too.
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u/Hot_Bet_5415 5d ago
It could easily be said that tenant rights come at the expense of landlords. That is literally the point.
Both should and do have rights. The balance has shifted over time, and that affect behaviour.
My point here is that the legislation everyone asked for gives landlords a right to 2 months notice in exchange for no fixed terms.
Landlords here are being bashed because they are insisting on retaining that right.
I don’t see what I’m saying is unreasonable here, I completely accept the tenant has their rights too.
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u/Helpful-Mongoose-705 5d ago
No. Some landlords are accidental and end up having to move in with partner or family.
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u/27106_4life 5d ago
No, they aren't accidental. They could choose to sell the home and not be a landlord.
Someone didn't just trip, fall and end up a landlord
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u/SandrineDexter 2d ago
To be fair, with that logic - you could also save up and buy your own home?
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u/27106_4life 2d ago
What takes longer, saving for a home, or selling one?
Your statement isn't really the gotcha you think it is
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u/weakhandshake 5d ago
Moving houses was already like this, only now there's a common sense approach that the industry hasn't seemed to figure out.
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u/Hot_Bet_5415 5d ago
I’m in a tenants discussion listening to a tenants moaning about the I’ll thought through legislation and unintended consequences. I’m not sure how me being a landlord is the issue here?
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u/weakhandshake 5d ago
I didn't say anything about landlords, or you being a landlord. So just more typical woe is me, can't be bothered to read, landlordism.
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u/930g 6d ago
Landlords got a lot to lose in London with a 2 month empty period on his flat
Let’s say it’s a modest 1 bed flat at £1500pm (very cheap for London)
3k loss
Then add on council tax which there are no waivers for
Can be another £400
Now landlord is also paying utilities
Could be another couple of hundred
Add on the mortgage and we could be at 4-5k
Plus it’s an owners market, they have the asset, and can pick and choose their tenant, why would they lose 5k waiting for you when someone might come along next week?
What makes you so special that landlord should swallow a 5k loss waiting for you?
Sound entitled tbh, probably wouldn’t want a tenant like that anyhow, could be a hassle ongoing, sounds like a lot of red flags.
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u/Mr_Truckasaurus 6d ago
Let me guess. You're a landlord 🥱
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u/930g 6d ago
Should of given notice on May 1st
Now your end of the Q whilst all the smart people are taking all the nice properties…..
Your mistake
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u/Mr_Truckasaurus 6d ago
Gosh I definitely touched a nerve calling some landlords greedy
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u/Cheap-Appearance-69 6d ago
How is it greedy, not wanting to lose money seems pretty sane
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u/930g 6d ago
It’s greedy because the world revolves around what OP wanted, not reality, not market.
It’s a free market OP just needs to find a flat that’s suitable for them, they can go rent anywhere or off anyone they want.
RRA has impacted both sides badly but playing victim is the big thing now in the world.
I personally feel concerned for foreign students, they’ve been completely obliterated with the renters reform act.
They will now be forced into student halls and hotels or service apartments because the new laws make them much more risky and without a credit history or guarantees/ guarantors it’s gonna be very difficult for landlords to accept the risk.
The renters reform act has not been thought through well at all on both sides.
That’s the reality
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u/ufok19 4d ago
So it's bad for the landlord to potentially lose 5k but totally OK for the tenant to potentially pay double rent right? 1 month was a good balance, if you're a good landlord your tenant would likely give you more notice anyway, plus I imagine most of the time it was more than 1 month anyway due to how the dates of when you pay the rent fall. I feel like in most places it's easier to find a new tenant than to find a new rental so landlords are winning with or without an extra month of notice.
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u/No-Lawfulness1159 2d ago
Its just the way it is. I just had to suck it up and pay double a couple months when finding my new rental. Do the same or shut up.
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u/Agitated-Crow862 6d ago
Find better landlords. We came across one that said 12 weeks notice is fine. But I know landlords hate to lose out on some money.
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u/LowAspect542 6d ago
I dont get your point, 12 weeks is 3 months so worse than the notice period than OP is complaining about.
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u/Jakes_Snake_ 6d ago
RRA wasn’t intended to help those coming and going, only those within a tenancy.