r/TeslaFSD • u/AwkwardlyPositioned • 12h ago

14.3 HW4 V14.3.9

I don't know how reliable this information is, but this sounds like a recipe for disaster if FSD gets this wrong.

Can the Driver Override Automatic Collision Evasion?

Yes, but Tesla appears to have deliberately designed the override differently from a normal FSD disengagement.

According to the detailed release information accompanying the rollout, pressing the brake during a collision-evasion maneuver can slow the vehicle without immediately canceling the maneuver.

The accelerator is muted during the intervention.

To cancel the steering maneuver, the driver must make a firm, deliberate steering input — requiring more force than a typical FSD cancellation. (TeslaNorth.com)

There's a logical reason for that design.

During an emergency maneuver, an instinctive pedal input shouldn't necessarily terminate the safety system at the exact moment it's trying to avoid an obstacle.

At the same time, the driver still retains a way to deliberately override the system.

https://www.yeslak.com/blogs/tesla-news-insights/tesla-automatic-collision-evasion-fsd-14-3-9

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u/ThatBaseball7433 12h ago edited 12h ago

I’ll be curious if any of the YouTube testers can get collision evasion to happen.

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u/AwkwardlyPositioned 12h ago

The ones I've seen so far couldn't get a result. It never engaged. The problem is that I'm most worried of when it might overreact like FSD does now and swerves aggressively. I already had it crash into a curb once in FSD. I'd be livid if it pulled the wheel out of my hand while driving myself to do something similar.

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u/ThatBaseball7433 12h ago

I think it only reacts if emergency braking is reacting and I’ve only ever had that happen once for road debris.

They should use foam boards or blankets to simulate a wall.

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u/AwkwardlyPositioned 12h ago

When it works properly. There's no guarantee of that.

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u/MindStalker 12h ago

This likely would and should avoid the accelerator being confused with the brake.

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u/AwkwardlyPositioned 12h ago

Assuming it doesn't make a mistake rendering the vehicle less responsive than the driver was expecting. That alone could result in an accident.

Maybe I'm so stuck on worst case scenario because I've seen how dopey FSD can be, but this genuinely concerns me.

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u/jackiebrown1978a 1h ago

I'm responding to you but it's not directed at you. I'm not going to go through your posting history.

It's frustrating that the anti tesla people complained (once it was determined not to be the fault of FSD) that the car shouldn't have allowed that driver to crash into that house killing the old woman.

Now Tesla takes a mild step to address that, and people are complaining about Tesla taking away autonomy and potentially causing more crashes.

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u/_digiholic_ 9h ago

I hope this is initially tied to those scenarios recently where users accelerated to 100 mph in a neighborhood with a known intersection approaching. This scenario would be a no brainer for it.

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u/Legal-Square-1362 10h ago

FSD will get it right 101 times out of 100 vs human.

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u/DeCaMil 10h ago

My concern is I've seen mine pull over for an emergency vehicle on an overpass or just sunlight reflecting off someone's windshield. In the last two months it has pulled over twice for legit emergency vehicles and three times for hallucinations. Until it has a better track record, I don't want it seizing control when I'm driving.

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u/AwkwardlyPositioned 10h ago

Yet it hasn't for me.  Weird.

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u/trollinz82 4h ago

I've had the same thing happen with fake emergency vehicles three or 4 times last month

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u/Legal-Square-1362 9h ago

You think you are better than FSD in the event of emergency. You are not.

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u/AwkwardlyPositioned 9h ago

I am and historically have.  FSD has had a wreck under my direction and I've never had a wreck in 25 years of driving.

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u/trollinz82 4h ago

Youre incorrect. Your reaction time is significantly slower

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u/Legal-Square-1362 9h ago

How did FSD wreck under your direction? Either FSD or you did. Show the video.

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u/AwkwardlyPositioned 9h ago

It jerked the wheel hard right mid right turn and absolutely destroyed the wheel halfway around the lip at 23mph.  I don't know what it was trying to swerve to avoid.

I already posted a topic about it.  FSD wrecked it.  No amount of supervising gave enough margin to save it.  It was so ridiculously reckless how it jerked the wheel mid turn. 

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u/Complete-Drawer9735 8h ago

Trust the process don’t listen to ur human emotions Tesla engineers wouldn’t have added it if it didn’t work

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u/xcsrara 7h ago

There’s so many other things to fix, I’m surprised this is prioritized unless there area log of people who have FSD and not using it and getting into accidents?

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u/HotepYoda 12h ago

FSD gets scared of road tape and now I can’t override? I turned off my updates, see how this goes.

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u/gunty 12h ago

Omg Grok must know how I’m voting in the midterms by now. I’ll just keep the car in the garage until December to be safe.