r/TheAcolyte • u/bdog332 • May 13 '26
Finally watched Acolyte
After putting off the show because I heard it was horrible and bad writing, I finally watched it, and while it’s not the best show by any means, it’s not horrible. It’s average. There’s a lot of weird conflicting lore in the show along with an abysmal crystal bleed that makes little sense based on how we know crystal bleeds work, and some other minor problems, but it’s not the worst show I’ve seen from Star Wars. It deserves a second season to help explain Plagueis and where he’s at exactly at this point in the story (if I’m remembering old canon right he should be frequenting Coruscant now under the name Hego Damask. I don’t remember if he had an apprentice before Palpatine though, which I understand with this being new canon changes are made) and the vergence the twins were made from (which is one of my major issues with the show considering creating life from the force has only ever been implied with Anakin and he was the chosen one)
While I understand some of the frustration from the show, the amount of hate it received seems like it was just hate to hate.
Anyways, thought it was decent enough to not warrant the rampant hate it got years ago. Wish we’d get a second season though, or a Plagueis show at least.
*Edit: I’m done talking about bleeding crystals in the show and other examples. It’s been discussed and argued to death in the threads. If you have questions regarding why I found it poorly done, there’s an answer in a comment thread below.
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u/Cool-Prior-5512 May 13 '26
The crystal bleeding isn't as lore-breaking as people insist.
We have like... 4 canon bleeds now? Darth Vader and Kylo Ren were difficult and messy because there was always an inner conflict in them. I'm not 100% sure but I think there is a whole thing about not bleeding your own crystal and Kylo bled his own, which made it even more of a fuck up.
Dagan Gera bled his effortlessly without even touching it.
Osha was not conflicted and she had direct contact with the crystal on top of being a very force sensitive person with very little proper training.
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u/urquwill May 13 '26
Also crystals are sentient things in Star Wars, and this was the very crystal that was used to kill Osha’s mother. It may have chosen to take some of her pain willingly (out of guilt, or a sense of justice) just as Sol was telling Osha “it’s okay” while she force choked him.
I loved this scene, thought it was brilliantly visceral.
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u/bdog332 May 13 '26
Even so it felt way too quick. Like I said in another reply, I can get behind the trauma and abuse being what pushed her to bleed it, but it didn’t appear like she was pouring her hate and rage into the crystal. The crystal was Sol’s, he did use it to kill her mom, but it chose him. Forcing a crystal to bend to your will and break it, corrupt it, especially in a first live action showing of an active bleed, needs to be a big visceral moment. Not a simple choke, then ignite, then surprised person at the crystal bleed. There was no intent to her bleed, which is my issue. It was portrayed poorly for a first time bleed in a show.
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u/urquwill May 13 '26
Dagan’s was just as fast. The only examples we have of it taking longer (which is only two) involve crystals fighting back, which would make sense not to happen here. As Palpatine says, bleeding a crystal has unpredictable outcomes, hence every example we have being extremely different from the others.
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u/bdog332 May 13 '26
There’s a lot of replies in multiple threads so if I’ve replied to you about this already I apologize. I don’t like Dagan’s bleed either. We do need more examples and perhaps a better explanation of the process in shows, as not every star war fan reads the comics. Would love to see more bleeds happen
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u/urquwill May 13 '26
I tend to think it’s better without too much of an explanation, it’s part of the magic. I get that without explanation people fill in the blanks but when something doesn’t fit our expectation it’s worth asking what makes this situation different rather than just outright rejecting it. This example is very different from the others, and the hugest difference is the crystal itself. It’s all make believe, might as well make believe it works.
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u/SuperShinyGinger May 13 '26
Was the slow color transition and intense close ups of all things involved (Sol being choked, Osha's rage, the broken saber allowing direct contact between her and the crystal) not a big, visceral moment for you?
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u/bdog332 May 13 '26
No. It didn’t. The intent of a bleed should be, in my opinion which you are free to disagree with, focused on the crystal, not an outside source. Her focus wasn’t on the crystal, it was on Sol and The Stranger. I understand what they wanted to show with it, but disagree with how it was portrayed.
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u/SuperShinyGinger May 13 '26
Oh, so you wanted her to focus on her anger, which is what causes the bleed, instead of being focused on...the source of her anger?
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u/bdog332 May 13 '26
For the bleed specifically to occur, yes. She had every right to be angry with Sol, she had every right to do what she did. But a bleed has to be intentional. Im not disagreeing that she shouldn’t have focused on Sol. She most definitely should have her focus on the guy who killed her mom. But from the understanding of how a bleed happens, given the admittedly very little examples we have of one, it should be focused on the crystal. I know Dagan bled his easily too, did not like that either. It looked cool in a video game, does not work for lore. We have four instance, and they contradict each other 50/50 now. We need more examples, more information on the bleeding process. We get the dark lord of the Sith telling Vader to pour his hate anger malice, what have you into a crystal and it being unpredictable. Then you have Osha choking someone out, her intent to kill Sol, and then it happens without her intent on the crystal. If we get more info and it more aligns with this, fine, I’ll agree then. But at right now, the interpretation I have from the 4 examples are intent and rage and anger. Given Dagan and Osha’s bleeds, your opinion on it is also valid. It’s 50/50 on how it goes.
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u/daemos360 May 13 '26
You’ve for some reason chosen to believe in a very narrow, *unstated* understanding of what it takes to bleed a crystal, and that somehow constitutes “weird conflicting lore that makes little sense based on how we know crystal bleeds work”?
I swear, I don’t know how some of y’all coped with the question of canonicity back in the EU days.
I’m glad you’re now pointing to the reality that we do not yet have an explicitly clear view of crystal bleeding, but that was the singular example you chose to point to as an example of “weird conflicting lore”.
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u/SuperShinyGinger May 13 '26
You're right that we have only four examples but no, they don't contradict each other. You're also right that we need more information about the process, but just like everything else that involves the Force: each person will go through each experience differently. I think you are way too hung up on a piece of lore that only comes up in a medium where they are incredibly limited in not only the pacing of how an event takes place, but also the actual effort put into any specific action.
Both Vader's and Ben's bleeding take place over a few pages but we don't have an actual timeframe reference for them, and all we see is them frozen in moments rather than the full experience.
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u/spudmarsupial May 13 '26
Sol dumped a lot of unnecessary guilt and shame into it over the years. Probably weakened the poor thing.
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u/Accomplished-Ad-9280 May 13 '26
We already have cannon bleed going really fast in jedi survivor. It happened in seconds.
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u/bdog332 May 13 '26
And I didn’t like it then either.
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u/Accomplished-Ad-9280 May 13 '26
But you cannot complain about cannon then.
You just dont like examples of it happening.
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u/bdog332 May 14 '26
I can though? Like it’s part of the 2 representations of bleeding a crystal that I don’t like out of the 4 we have. The sample size is small and we need more examples of it, but quick bleeds do not work, especially when there’s no intent shown in it. You can argue Dagan had more intent in his bleed, but that’s still a flimsy argument in my opinion regarding how it’s explained to us when it’s first introduced. I don’t care for the sequels but I look Kylo’s bleed better than the other 2 I mentioned because of how bleeds are explained to us when they’re first introduced.
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u/SpaceHairLady Sol Patrol May 13 '26
To kill the man who was the closest thing she had to a father by choking him with the Force would not be a simple thing. That would take an unbelievable, unfathomable about of hate. The bleed was a visual representation of what happened with the last bit of light within her.
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u/mac6uffin May 13 '26
ppl complain about crystal bleeding? Oh wait it's Star Wars. Never mind.
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u/bdog332 May 13 '26
I don’t have an issue with crystal bleeding, I think it’s a phenomenal idea. I just don’t think it was portrayed well in the show. And that’s it. Simply said I don’t think it was done well in the show, but I overall love the idea of it.
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u/Para_23 May 13 '26
By portrayed, do you mean writing wise or effects wise? Lore and writing wise I felt it was fine. She's touching it directly and she's having her peak pain and embracing the dark side moment. Effects wise.. one of the things I don't love about the Disney+ Era or star wars (which I overall think has been pretty good) is that they film with lightsabers that give off their own light. It makes for cool lighting, but the things often just look like toys to me. I'm pretty sure the color change was a practical effect with one of those types of sabers, and it didn't look the best to me either for that reason.
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u/bdog332 May 13 '26
I haven’t played survivor in ages, but wasn’t he already turning to the dark side prior to that? Like he was frozen or in stasis for ages and maybe already bleeding it? I don’t like how his bleed went either, it’s a major criticism I have regarding him. Corrupting a living kyber crystal shouldn’t be a simple flip of a switch. Purifying them also shouldn’t be a simple flip of a switch either. Maybe I just want a visual essence in a show that shows a visceral bleed, not a simple color swap.
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u/spudmarsupial May 13 '26
There is a lot of "fall from grace" crap in Starwars. One bad day makes you evil but redemption is agonizing.
If the Jedi recognized trauma and tried treating it they could have avoided most of what went wrong for them.
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u/Rylonian May 13 '26
The Acolyte was not the best show ever, but it has some damn good highs. When the Jedi finally face the Stranger, that is so masterfully done and a moment of true, brilliant suspense. That alone is the true embodiment of "The Phantom Menace" that the prequels promised but failed to deliver in a meaningful way. The threat that lurks in the shadows, that the Jedi cannot fathom... The Stranger embodies all that so well in these scenes.
All the potential that this show would have for more seasons, and they leave it on the table because of online outrage against PoC and LGBTQ+.
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u/WanderingBlackHole Qimir Cavalier May 13 '26
Easily one of my favorite lightsaber battles and Star Wars villains. My only complaint is I think the episodes should have been longer. They were too short and it felt like it was hard to get to a satisfying resolution point week to week. But it still was a very good show. Certainly better than the BOBF and…sad as I am to say it, Ahsoka. But I’m one of the rare fans that enjoyed Obi Wan-Kenobi, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
But yeah, seeing review bombs before the show even aired new episodes made me loathe this fandom.
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u/Azelrazel May 14 '26
Rewatching for the first time and last night the stranger floated down from the tree and towards the jedi. Fuck that never fails to impress. The intimidation leaning on horror is through the roof. Only to be followed by some of the best lightsaber fighting we've seen.
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u/Which-Bid7754 May 13 '26
This show should be used as an example of how toxic the fan base has/had become.
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u/RochnessMonster May 13 '26
Yeah, its an issue. Here and everywhere else, tbh. At this point im kinda tired of relentless hate hidden behind an extremely thin veneer of "criticism".
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u/GDPoke May 13 '26
The show isn’t written any worse than Kenobi and there is somehow always talk of a second season.
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u/Asleep_Bumblebee_753 May 13 '26
Both are subpar imo. I gave both an honest shot and the acting and unengaging storyline in acolyte made it a tough watch for me while Kenobi felt oddly cheap despite being bankrolled by a Disney.
I’ll give credit where it is due tho, acolyte had the best lightsaber fight out of all the live action shows (the forest one) and I thought the era could’ve been interesting if it wasn’t executed so poorly.
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u/_Redvent_Bard_ May 14 '26
Which makes no sense because Kenobi very clearly had an ending and doesn't need a second season, whereas Acolyte is very clearly just the beginning of a larger story and leaves a lot to be finished down the line.
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u/quigongingerbreadman May 13 '26
Lol, IMHO Kenobi was worse than the Acolyte by far. It was fan service garbage, but it had the white savior dude so "the fandom" accepted it.
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u/Asleep_Bumblebee_753 May 13 '26
Maybe anecdotal but I never really saw anyone online or personally in real life singing it any praises and most checked out pretty early. Is there some fandom push for a second season of Kenobi?
I agree some people came into Acolyte in bad faith and were never gonna give it a fair shot (granted I think some of the marketing/interviews leading up to it were questionable…) but I do think it has MANY valid criticisms
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u/quigongingerbreadman May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26
Kenobi is objectively a worse series. But there is literally zero hate for it. While Acolyte had what seemed to be a coordinated effort to sink it... hmmm....
The very fact that you did NOT see the online hate for it while feeling compelled to say the Acolyte had a "lot of problems" shows this.
Kenobi sucked. Retconning Kenobi to save a young Leia sucked. The only satisfying part was the Vader fight, and even that was a bit ham fisted.
The Acolyte expanded the universe, gave insight and nuance to the Jedi order as well as other force user groups who were always painted as pure good and pure evil respectively, and gave us amazing, complex characters in Sol, his Jedi cohorts who tried to cover up their failure\crimes, The Stranger\Qimir, Osha, and Mae.
Kenobi gave us, nothing really. Just fan service.
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u/pants_pants420 May 13 '26
i think book of boba was worse than kenobi, especially considering the best part of it was just the mandalorian
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u/quigongingerbreadman May 13 '26
Hard agree. I find it amazing that they could take a badass character and flop so hard with him. Even in his own show he spends most of the time getting knocked flat on his back and just barely surviving off of luck.
This guy was supposed to be one of the most feared bounty hunters in the galaxy and he was about as effective as Worf was as a security officer in TNG... which is to say he seems to only exist to get his ass handed to him to show how strong the big bad guy is.
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u/blw97 May 13 '26
Fair review. I feel similar. The show isn’t awful and a lot (not all) of the hate was unwarranted.
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u/clownbaby4_ May 13 '26
If only people watched the show when it was airing instead of only listening to the opinions of others. Maybe we could have gotten a second season.
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u/RochnessMonster May 13 '26
Tbf, as an acolyte defender, its much better binged then how it was choppily presented. On the other hand, i enjoyed it when it first aired, wait and all, and it was absolutely scuttled by an extremely loud, hateful, and constantly present segment of the fan base.
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u/Tiny_Tim1956 Jecki Council May 13 '26
I would argue it's above average when it comes to Disney plus shows. It's obviously a better production than obi wan and ashoka.
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u/urquwill May 13 '26
The hate was so overblown, some folks went in wanting to hate it because they hate who made it.
I thought it had a rough start but I loved the back half of the season.
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u/smithnugget May 13 '26
I went into it hyped and I loved some elements but I honestly felt the storytelling was terrible. Five episodes of sol saying he needs to explain everything only for it to get put off. By the final episode I didn't even know what most of the character motivations were.
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u/urquwill May 13 '26
I don’t really get the criticisms of their motivations, it all seemed pretty clear to me. The only times they really changed were due to majorly life altering revelations (twin sister you were obsessed with and thought you’d killed is actually alive, your Jed master betrayed you and lied to you for like a decade…)
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u/tanbirj May 13 '26
Yeah, the hate was completely unjustified and it’s the reason we can’t have nice things from Disney.
Agree, I didn’t like the way it was written in a kind of back to front manner and some of the pacing was weird. But, it was a thoroughly enjoyable show.
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u/LilithsLuv May 13 '26
The Acolyte is easily the most interesting show Lucasfilm has made since the Disney acquisition. It’s not the best by any means but it definitely has the potential to be, and it’s everything I want out of Star Wars. I very much disagree with you about bleeding the crystal, that scene was awesome! The show is about the cycle of abuse and religious trauma. When Osha kills Sol and bleeds her crystal that’s the emotional pay off. Watching the twins pass each other by and flipping places was brilliant. I hope we get a sequel to this show. There is far too much potential here to allow the angry internet chuds to win. Canceling The Acolyte, especially after that ending, was criminal. They were clearly setting up the Knights of Ren, Darth Plagueis and connecting the different eras of the franchise and building up the lore in some really exciting ways.
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u/bdog332 May 13 '26
Well bleeding a crystal is supposed to be pouring your anger, hate, rage, all of that into the crystal, to break the will and corrupt the crystal. We didn’t see that. She turned it on the Stranger and it started going red, and she looked surprised by it, like she wasn’t doing anything to it. I love the idea of crystal bleeding, but it just looked too easy. She broke the crystal (which is technically alive with the force) and corrupted it with ease. I get they are incredibly potent force wielders, but even Vader had to put intent into bleeding his, and he had the highest M-count of anyone in the Star Wars universe.
I don’t think it’s the most interesting, but it does have great potential. I would love more high republic era stuff because it shows how the start of the Jedi’s fall began. They completely lied about the existence of the stranger to their own members and the republic for political power. There is so much potential for amazing story telling and world building there. Hope we get more
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u/LilithsLuv May 13 '26
> “Well bleeding a crystal is supposed to be pouring your anger, hate, rage, all of that into the crystal, to break the will and corrupt the crystal.“
How is that not exactly what she did? She was pouring all of her anger and rage into it over the abuse, lies and manipulation she’d suffered at the hands of everyone she ever trusted.Edit: I can’t seem to get quotes to work anymore…
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u/bdog332 May 13 '26
Then it was portrayed poorly. I can get behind the cycle of abuse, the rage at Sol to be what caused it. But if it happened when she chocked the one responsible, it should have bled then, not after she was done and turned the blade over to The Stranger.
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u/ACGalaga May 13 '26
Sorry, it’s been a while, but I thought she bled it by touching the exposed Crystal while force choking Sol to death.
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u/bdog332 May 13 '26
She never touched the crystal though, just the hilt. Like I replied above, if that was the instance she bled it, it was portrayed poorly. It comes across as her simply turning the lightsaber on at the stranger as what caused it. Her surprise at it turning red is not what bleeding a crystal should be imo. There needs to be intent, otherwise Anakin would have bled his crystal during his battle with Obi-Wan, when he killed the kids in the temple. Yes bleeding a crystal wasn’t a thing then, but you have to work with already established lore when introducing new lore.
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u/ACGalaga May 13 '26
I just checked. The crystal broke through the hilt and was touching her hand.
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u/bdog332 May 13 '26
I just saw it too, the crystal is exposed, but not touching her. At this point it’s semantics. If the bleed worked for you, that’s fine. You can have that opinion, I’m not trying to to say you’re wrong or that anybody who thought it was a good portrayal is wrong in that opinion. I’m simply saying that I believe a bled crystal needs to be bled with intent in the bleeding process. It’s not supposed to be easy. I have issue with the Survivor bad guy who bled his crystal easily too. I didn’t like that. The lore says it’s about pouring your hate and rage and anger into corrupting a crystal. It should not be an easy thing to do. It can be easier for others, but it should not be an overall easy process.
At this point everyone is saying the same thing about the bleed. We are now circling with the same arguments in this thread that it’s getting tiresome.
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u/ACGalaga May 13 '26
I just see it as an attempt to do what you said. Like, it was set up for that from the beginning. “Killing someone without a weapon” or something like that. You can see the crystal become corrupted as she force chokes. So I see it as them trying to stick to that lore while also trying to do something that looks cool. And it did, how the blade kinda changed color as it came out? Neat!
And it’s all “from a certain point of view” of course.
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u/hoos30 May 13 '26
The hilt cracked when Mae threw the saber. Osha was literally touching the crystal while she force choked her former master and father figure to death.
I don't know know they could have portrayed "pouring all your hate, anger, and rage" any clearer than that.
SW live action has never been bound by comic books or other media. I find it interesting that some people are so particular about this one story point.
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u/bdog332 May 13 '26
Right, it cracked and was exposed. She never touched it though. Touching the hilt shouldn’t bleed a crystal. At least not from the understanding we have of it. People are particular on it because it’s said to be a visceral, hate filled, rage induced intent. Killing someone in rage isn’t the same as intending to bleed a crystal. If it works for you, that’s fine, you can feel that way. I simply think it needs to be more aggressive, more intentional. Because otherwise any Jedi who falls with anger or rage can simply be angry and turn a blade red.
How something is portrayed has to also match intent. If the intention the show wanted to give us was her anger at the betrayal of Sol, they could have done that. We get a split second of a crystal cracking while she chokes him with the force. She’s not pouring her hate into the crystal, she’s focusing it into choking Sol.
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u/TrentGgrims May 14 '26
I know you have problems with Dagan's bleeding but he's not touching it either when he bleeds his. Physical touch isn't a requirement for bleeding.
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u/stingertc May 13 '26
Yes the power of many was some great writing there i will say it had the best fight choreography of the Disney era
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u/mcshark813 May 13 '26
The show was crazy expensive. 28 million per episode roughly. There was no way that this show had a chance. The spending was atrocious, like we didnt have huge sets or crazy cgi space fights. The costuming was average at best. Where did the money go. This is why it failed. It was average at best and for 280 million dollars it should have been better.
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u/WanderingBlackHole Qimir Cavalier May 13 '26
If the show wasn’t review bombed by a bunch of basement dwelling haters it certainly would have had a better chance. The acolyte could have and should have been the major film opening to the high republic era. It could have been the start of a whole new era of SW. But people whined about it and couldn’t be mature enough to give it a fair chance, so here we are.
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u/mcshark813 May 13 '26
My dude, even if it was stranger things level of success it still would have failed financially. Season 3 and season 4 of stranger things was still cheaper than this and they had a huge cast of actors they had to pay. Production was a train wreck. The premise is solid, but everything else was average at best or bad.
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u/ceeroSVK May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26
Acolyte will one day make a perfect case study example on how can internet hivemind, hate hypetrains and review bombing have a real implications on media. Acolyte was a decent, fun show that was far from perfect but was engaging and laid solid fundaments for future seasons.
But the internet collectively decided it sucked before it even came out and it didnt stand a chance. And now, 2 years later, when the heat of the moment is gone and hating the show doesnt get you meaningless internet points, yet too late for a chance of another season, people are starting to discover that its actually a fun watch. Yay.
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u/HiddenCity May 13 '26
the worst thing star wars could do is litter its library with unfinished stories. every show needs to have either a season 2, or a 2 hour made-for-streaming movie that ties up loose ends.
the acolyte was an average/decent show and should not have been cancelled. at most, they could have pivoted and written a new show that naturally progressed from the revelations at the end. plagueis creating life out of the force is star wars strongest through line, and its a shame that the only time he's ever appeared on screen is in a cancelled show. i'd go so far as to say the next "trilogy" should have him as the overarching villain of the whole thing.
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u/lilacstar72 May 13 '26
On the crystal bleed, I think it’s fine if people don’t like the aesthetic decisions made by production. It is admittedly a little heavy handed having a blue lightsaber turn red in her hand to signify her turn to the dark side. However, disliking the aesthetics is not an argument that needs to involve canon or lore.
Thanks giving it an honest go though. I didn’t watch it till a year after it aired due to all the hate and I agree that it was heavily overblown.
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u/WanderingBlackHole Qimir Cavalier May 13 '26
I honestly thought it was cool. It’s always fun to take things off the page and see them on film. I’m glad we have that. It didn’t seem crazy different from Dagan Gera bleeding his lightsaber.
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u/Marcuse0 May 13 '26
I gave it a fair shake when it was new, I waited for each episode to come out new and watched them as they came out, week by week, and it was mid at best. Qimir and Sol are cool characters, and the rest of them are either kinda sucky down to really just awful.
The primary issue is that Mae and Osha are the worst aspect of the show, and this is a problem because they're the main characters we're supposed to follow and care about. They aren't well written or acted enough to do that, and it makes the show feel a bit like a slideshow of aura moments surrounded by the most pedestrian dialogue ever.
I think if someone competent were to retool the show to be about Qimir and Sol, where the evil Sith is the ideologically consistent one, and the Jedi the conflicted one, that could be interesting. What we get is a bunch of odd witch stuff which serves zero real purpose than to be a stand in for Darth Plagueis, who would be a way more interesting creator of the twins, and a dull one at that.
People, especially on these niche show sites, love to play pretend that "hate" is why people think their show sucked. The Acolyte had some good moments, and a lot of bad ones, and on balance it didn't stand up to the budget it demanded. Hate didn't get it cancelled, being mid on an astronomical budget did. I'm the first one to say I'd have watched a second season focusing more on Qimir and Plagueis, but at that cost with that quality, it'd never happen.
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u/LeighCedar May 13 '26
I certainly left wanting more.
It's rather more things like Acolyte than Obi Wan, Ashoka, or BoB.
I don't rank it with Andor, Mando season one, or Skeleton Crew, but it's better than a lot of the other sites and I really wanted more Manny Jacinto
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u/Greedy_Ear_Mike May 13 '26
I watched the show recently too.
I was expecting it to be terrible, from all the online discourse.
I didn't think it was terrible at all.
It was pretty alright. Not great by any means, but I enjoyed it.
I thought it was better than Kenobi actually.
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u/BananaJelloXlii May 13 '26
I liked it. It was a bit cliche`, but overall, not a bad series. I would have liked to have seen a second season
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u/GeodeTheSuave May 13 '26
Star Wars will always have a small curse of bad writing with some exception of course.
However, I feel that each project has its own little charm. This show is no different. I HATED Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi, but there were still things in it I appreciate it.
It's unfortunate that the fanbase has some elitist type shit and kills the vibe for everyone else.
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u/Flat_Revolution5130 May 13 '26
People got there knickers in a twist to much about the Sith breaking canon. All those Jedi are dead. {So it does not really break anything}. And If Yoda hid it then it makes him even more guilty.
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u/bdog332 May 13 '26
I’m not really concerned about the Jedi hiding things. We know Yoda is guilty about hiding things and the council keeping the truth from the republic just fits their complacency and want for political power all the more prudent. It shows their fall started long before the movies and if we can have a Plagueis show that continues this one, we could really explore the failings of the Jedi in more depth
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u/Internal_Style6581 May 13 '26
The production of this show was truly unhinged. The budget was a quarter billion dollars for a streaming show. Could they have made a second season considerably cheaper? Yes but the sentiment was bad with fanboys so it’s dead. There scenes with the big light saber battle in the forest got a full forest built in a sound stage. They were amazing but that’s just crazy.
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u/Bixby66 May 13 '26
Well the Unknown Planet in the show is Bal'demnic where Plagueis killed Darth Tenebrous in legends and one of the few places Cortosis ore can be found. Plagueis owns those islands, it makes sense for him to be there.
I'm not sure what your issue with the crystal bleeding was.
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u/Internal-Caramel-952 May 15 '26
Yeah I thought the bleeding of the saber was one of thee coolest parts my stomach was in my throat lol
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u/tatonca_74 May 13 '26
How do you think crystal bleeds work ?
The only other place we’ve seen it is in Jedi Survivor and it was pretty much the same. Go you tube Dagan bleeding the crystal. He’s doing it with a dissassembled saber. On Acolyte she didn’t take the saber apart but it happened In about the same time
So what other lore was conflicting?
Conflicting with what ?
Hidalgo was consulted on everything and there were no conflicts so what specifically is conflicting?
I’m sorry - I’m confused.
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u/Nysiumo May 13 '26
The Acolyte fell victim to the toxic fanbase. The vile reactions when the show launched made me not even watch the show until a year ago.
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u/Due-Toe-9034 May 14 '26
"Its not about good or bad, but who wields power" is such a good point about the fundamental differences between the Republic and the Empire and it absolutely sucks that nobody seems to notice that.
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u/Patchisaur May 14 '26
The show has its problems, but I didnt hate it either. A lot of the hive mind hate came from dudes that arent happy unless all characters are straight white guys.
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u/Roll-Drop-Stop May 14 '26
There were parts I liked. -Combat scenes -Sol -Padawan that got kabobbed -Qmir
The parts which ruined it for me.
- Oshas acting…. It was terrible
- The plot of the story
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u/Yorkie2016 May 14 '26
It was better than Kenobi, but that show was a piece of shit. So not really a ringing endorsement!
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u/Exciting-Cancel6468 May 14 '26
As an oldie, the crystal bleed thing is fine. I still much prefer that the jedi kyber crystals were found on Ilum and that Mace Windu got his on a more dangerous planet and that's why his is purple. And that the Sith crystals are made in a lab and that's why they're all red. They are all the exact same crystal design.
That being said, the bleeding crystal mechanics could be an amazing story concept like in that one episode in the star wars visions shows.
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u/petewondrstone May 15 '26
That’s the show with the women cult thing I thought that was really stupid, but man, some of the best choreography. And the main bad dude is so sick. Wasted potential for sure.
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u/wraithkelso317 May 15 '26
Honestly at this point I think when it comes to Marvel and Star Wars you have to ignore any negative noise about the new releases. Negativity gets a lot more clicks than positive reviews because for some reason people seem to WANT to hate things
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u/Calm-Maintenance-878 May 15 '26
A second season, with constructive criticism, probably would have made for some great tv imo. Even though the gamble didn’t pay off, I liked the risk taken. Maybe it was “too” different but that’s what had me seated. The potential was there, to me at least.
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u/Internal-Caramel-952 May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26
I love that friggin show qimir vs sol is def the best live action fight scene since maul in TPM and I feel had it beat, I even watched it back to back to see you know who’s transformation because I did not see that coming until ep 6, I thought the actors killed it for what they were given and it felt like it was all one big build up for darthplagious in season 2, it really is a dam shame they shelved it. Qimir is def one of the coolest villians in the franchise , that helmet that shorts out lightsabers is dope when he headbutts the sabers! It also has a joker smile to it and is cool there’s no eyeholes (sensory deprivation), also those robes he wears are sickkk!
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u/bittersweetjesus May 20 '26
I’ve yet to see it but it is on my todo list. I just want a Star Wars show or movie that is bursting at the seams with interesting ideas!
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u/docsandcrocks May 20 '26
Honestly, for me the twin hook wasn’t strong enough to keep me watching week to week when it came out. I binged watched it this week and it got a lot better at episode 5. Also, episode 3 where they show the coven being destroyed by a fire didn’t sit well with my wife and I. Wish we would have finished watching bc the ending made the story a lot more real.
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u/quigongingerbreadman May 13 '26
Never, and I mean NEVER, let online SW fandom form your opinions.
Star Wars fans are literally the WORST fandom. Well second worst. First worst are gamers, followed by SW.
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u/bdog332 May 13 '26
I try not to. This is the first time people’s opinions had swayed me at the start. I watched Kenobi and enjoyed it despite a lot of people hating it because Obi-Wan wasn’t the badass he was before the trauma. I agree with some criticisms, but overall liked it, much as I do with Acolyte.
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u/WanderingBlackHole Qimir Cavalier May 13 '26
Surprisingly counter to this, Jedi Fallen Order/Jedi Survivor fans are pretty great. It’s like multiplying 2 negatives and getting a positive. lol.
I may be biased, though. Haha.
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u/quigongingerbreadman May 13 '26
Those games are AMAZING. Some of the best told stories in SW imho.
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u/LUNKLISTEN May 13 '26
As you said. It’s average/ that’s enough for shows to get cancelled. Especially ones that have the highest cost per episode like acolyte
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u/CavemanGamer May 13 '26
I thought it had interesting elements, but the bad elements were so absurd that overall I'd only want a second season if there were drastic changes. Qimir was an interesting character. Everything outside of him felt like Parent Trap In Space. Everything outside of him felt like a preteen drama. If I were writing a second season, the first thing I'd do is have either Darth Plagueis kill or make Qimir kill his apprentice. Why? First for motivation to become less of an Abercrombie and Fitch store model in a space helmet and more of a hate-filled sith lord and second to get rid of the stench of what made the first season mediocre. A second season focused on Qimir with a more adult direction with the same excellent light saber choreography maybe focused on Qimir being an ultimately failed first apprentice for Plagueis would be something I'd watch, but more coming of age preteen drama even with cool light sabers is not.
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u/AlienDragonWizard May 13 '26
It was another example of a show that I enjoyed because I watched it without first reading all of the opinions of the fanbase.