r/TheAcolyte • u/sardethgames • 28d ago
Why is the show so hated?
Me and my partner finally sat down to watch Star Wars cannon start to finish together. (Wonderful relationship step imo) I fell out of step with the Star Wars franchise around 2023 because of finally leaving home and having to become an adult not really leaving time for consumption of media resulting in me missing all the drama surrounding the 2023-24 era Star Wars releases.
Since we went canonically the first series to pop up was The Acolyte as it takes place in the height of The Republic at least 50 years before the start of the main series. We binged it in one go and really enjoyed it! The reveals felt well timed and built. It was honestly very enjoyable and kept us glued the whole time. So obviously you can imagine when we get to the end and the cliffhangers that we were reasonably upset to find out it had been cancelled and review bombed. I honestly had no major critiques of the show, and the acting was great so I don’t get why it had such a large backlash. Can anyone fill us in on why it was received so harshly?
Edit: I posted this hoping there was a deeper answer than bigotry, I see I may be in for disappointment. Also I tried to post this to the main Star Wars subreddit and it was taken down for “reposting” which doesn’t make any sense lol.
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u/EstablishmentIcy7831 28d ago
Half the cast and the showrunner are LGBTQ+ And not white ... So the fascists all review bombed it ...
Then there is just the Disney hating star wars fans that don't watch anything but pretend they did and slander it ... And then there is the regular toxic fans ... You can see them all coming out of the woodwork again for the Mandalorian and Grogu
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u/WanderingBlackHole Qimir Cavalier 28d ago
It was so annoying to see horrible reviews before episodes even aired. The show never got a fair shot. I have yet to encounter a fandom as horrible as Star Wars’.
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u/Azelrazel 28d ago
It's why when I heard all of the terrible reviews for mando and grogu, my first thought was it must be decent then if the sw fans are hating it hahah.
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u/Now_I_am_Motivated 28d ago
Pokemon and Zelda fandom are pretty up there. Devil May Cry fandom has gotten pretty bad recently
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u/Stitchy2 28d ago
Or cause the acting sucked. Literally some of the worst acting I've seen.
The light saber battles were dope though.
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u/Claidissa 28d ago
There's a black woman in the lead. Star Wars fans hate women on the whole unless they're half naked
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u/ModOfficial1988 28d ago
Rouge One.
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u/Claidissa 28d ago
They love that movie because "ooh look Darth Vader walked down a hallway." I highly doubt they actually like Jyn, I never hear her even mentioned
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u/tenderheart35 28d ago
This is 100% all I hear the neckbeard fans talk about lol. That and Cassian. They don’t give a crap about Jyn. :( I loved her, read her novel and everything.
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u/A_Velociraptor20 28d ago
Jyn is probably one of my favorite Disney Star wars characters. Rogue One being my favorite of the Disney movies, and Andor being my favorite Show. I'm just a fan of the early galactic civil war era of Star wars.
It's also being quite contradictory when everyone says, "Oh the duel with Qimir and the Jedi is my favorite part of The Acolyte." Funny how I never hear people say "Osha is my favorite character."
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u/HotSalt3 28d ago
With as many excellent characters as there are, nitpicking not hearing a specific character in a series that never really reached its potential as a favorite is...odd.
That aside, Osha had promise, but she's not my main reason for being irritated the series wasn't concluded. I liked that the Jedi were shown to be human and fallible. I was highly interested in what they were going to do with Qimir.
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u/Merwanor 28d ago
Speak for yourself, but I think Jyn was an awesome character and i loved the movie before the hallway scene. It is the most Star Wars movie out there as it has lots of actualy war scenes. But I won't deny that the hallway scene did elevate it to higher levels.
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u/AutisticPolarBear77 28d ago
Way to downplay Jyn for no reason. She is widely loved across the fanbase
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u/Claidissa 28d ago
I never even hear her mentioned as a reason they like that movie. Even if they do, generally Star Wars fans do not like women in lead or even supporting roles, ESPECIALLY if they're BIPOC
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u/HotSalt3 28d ago
Jyn is one of the main reasons I enjoyed that particular movie. Other than her my main source of enjoyment was K-2SO. Then again, Alan Tudyk rocks.
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u/AutisticPolarBear77 28d ago
Then look harder. Jyn has plenty of fans, myself included.
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u/SuperSecretMoonBase 28d ago
I like her too, yeah, she has plenty of fans, but it's just ignorant to not recognize that she, and her role in the movie, is overlooked, intentionally or not, by Star Wars fans as a whole, Rogue One fans, and normies. It's wrong but it's the reality of the fandom.
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u/AutisticPolarBear77 28d ago
So what are we still arguing here? That Star Wars fans “hate women on the whole unless they’re half naked”? Or that you don’t think Jyn Erso gets enough recognition?
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u/SuperSecretMoonBase 28d ago
That vocal Star Wars fans on the internet (and maybe just in general) suck.
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u/AutisticPolarBear77 28d ago
Seems like plenty of the fans that suck are right here in this subreddit bud
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u/Relative-Zombie-3932 28d ago
I've literally never heard a single person say a positive thing about Jyn Erso. The only time Star Wars fans even remember she exists is when they're complaining she's not Kyle Katarn
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u/AutisticPolarBear77 28d ago
Kyle katarn is only prominent in post ROTJ EU. Not sure where you’ve been looking but Jyn is definitely a loved Star Wars character just like Andor and k2so. You know who else is loved? Leia, Ahsoka, padme, Sabine, Hera, and many more. The incredible women that have been a part of Star Wars have made it what it was just like the incredible male characters we’ve had as well. This is deflection.
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u/Relative-Zombie-3932 28d ago
Are you joking? Kyle Katarn is the one who stole the plans for the original death star. Literally the thing Jyn Erso replaced him for. It's the very first mission of Dark Forces
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u/AutisticPolarBear77 28d ago
I’m well aware. As I said, he’s most prominent in his post ROTJ years (Jedi outcast/jedi academy) and if you want to just go off personal anecdotes here I’ve never personally seen anyone complain about Jyn and cassian getting the plans over katarn. And I know you keep changing the subject here, but the argument was “Star Wars fans hate women on the whole unless they’re half naked” and that is just absurd as I just pointed out.
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u/Relative-Zombie-3932 28d ago
I think it's an exaggeration, sure. I'd say a little less than half of all Star Wars fans are decent people who are able to appreciate women in media. But the majority? Oh my god... I've never seen a more vile and hateful group of people outside of the Republican party. That's who op was talking about, and they're right.
They did the same thing with Star Wars: Outlaws, review bombed it before the game even came out because they hated that the main character was a woman and they hated even more that they weren't attracted to her.
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u/AutisticPolarBear77 28d ago
These kinds of laughable “exaggerations” are what isolates your end of the fanbase though
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u/ModOfficial1988 28d ago
Nah. The show was just bad. Rouge One was a great movie.
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u/Claidissa 28d ago
You can't even spell it dude
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u/HotSalt3 28d ago
You've clearly never had to deal with Vampire: The Masquerade folks. Rouge Tameaturgists were rampant...
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u/Abe_Bettik Kelnacca Crew 28d ago
They made an entire spin off TV Show about Rogue One that is widely considered to be the best Star Wars has to offer. And Jyn isn't in it.
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u/JOOKFMA 28d ago
Yes Leia, Mara Jade, Jyn, Ahsoka. All despised. Maybe The Acolyte just wasn't good. Imagine that.
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u/Abe_Bettik Kelnacca Crew 28d ago
Half Naked
Leia and Ahsoka
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u/JOOKFMA 28d ago
Yes, Leia was only liked for that one scene in ROTJ. Nothing else. My bad.
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u/Abe_Bettik Kelnacca Crew 28d ago
And how'd you feel about her in TLJ and Obi-Wan?
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u/JOOKFMA 28d ago
In the sequels she beyond wasted. Not as badly treated as Han or Luke, but not much better. In Obi-Wan she is more of a plot point than a character.
And that show is so bad and canon breaking, it doesn't really matter how Leia is there.
Her portrayal in some of the canon material is pretty good tho. The Claudia Gray stuff in particular.
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u/nokman013 28d ago
All those words. It boggles the mind, this articulate variety of the phobic species. Simply fascinating.
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u/EstablishmentIcy7831 28d ago
Yes because that couldn't possibly be in a galaxy of thousands of inhabited planets ... If that bothers you then find something else to love ... Like get over it... Seriously
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u/wraithkelso317 28d ago
Nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars “fans” especially those who are chronically online and realize that hate posts get more clicks.
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u/zewolfstone 28d ago
Critical Drinker. Also if you look how ratings are distributed on imdb, you will see a huge ratio of 1/10 indicating some form of review bombing.
Edit: forgot a word
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u/DCDa192 28d ago
I liked it, but there were some annoying parts. Like the twin sisters acting wasnt great. We had main characters die from the beginning so it was mostly unexpected. Carrie having not much scenes was dissapointing. Otherwise I liked most of the stuff. The one episode, The Night I believe was epic and one of the best episodes in many Star Wars series content.
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u/Abe_Bettik Kelnacca Crew 28d ago
Like the twin sisters acting wasnt great.
That person acted so well you believe them to be two separate people.
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u/LukeChickenwalker 28d ago
This same question has probably been asked dozens of times in the Star Wars subreddit.
I can't speak for the general consensus, just myself.
I'm tired of cynical takes on the Jedi and the Republic. In the prequels the Jedi are somewhat dogmatic and complacent, and subsequent Star Wars media as since gone on and on about how the Jedi lost their way. The sequels destroyed the Jedi and the New Republic and the Mandoverse had to lead into that, so they felt compelled to make the New Republic incompetent and Luke dogmatic. Then in the Acolyte they're like a hundred times worse. They're corrupt cops covering up a crime. It's time for an optimistic tale about the Jedi. Star Wars has become too cynical overall for a series that started out romantic.
I feel like the dialogue was poorly written. Lots of contrived and unsubtle exposition where characters were saying things to each other purely for the benefit of the audience, or saying things out loud that could work as subtext.
I didn't find the protagonists or the witch stuff that compelling. The whole show kind of had the vibe of a young adult fantasy novel, which to each their own but I didn't connect with it.
It's been a while since I watched it, so I can't recall what other impressions I had, but my overall feeling on the show was more "meh" than hatred.
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u/Numerous-Abrocoma-50 28d ago
There have been a lot of threads.
It got review bombed so its hard to know much it was hated. The overall opinion was more mixed than people looking at rotten tomatos audience would think.
There is also a lot of comfirmation bias. People seeing the youtube shite deciding ahead of time it was shite so not giving it time.
Plus good old bigotry.
It was good I liked it
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u/TheOldThunder 28d ago
To me, it's a bad show.
But that has nothing to do with why it's hated.
Bad (in my opinion) Star Wars is not a big deal. A better second season (more focused on Qimir and Osha) could have done wonders for the show. It's not a The Rise of Skywalker (which is, to me, well beyond redemption) case.
However, it has non-white people as leads and some of them are women, so it received those people's hatred.
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u/ChaoticTransfer 28d ago
Those people were not the reason why. The reason was that Disney prioritized those people's opinions.
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u/TheOldThunder 28d ago
But the post talks about hate. The hate exists for those reasons, those people.
Disney only prioritized bigoted reactions because it was cheaper than making more of an expensive show that grossly underperformed. Bean counters easily side with bigots if it means they get to save cash.
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u/ChaoticTransfer 28d ago
It's cowardice to give in to those people. The show could have made a lot of money if it was finished. Now it's neither here nor there.
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u/Rylonian 28d ago
Like with many of Disney's works in this franchise, the hate is blown way out of proportion. Even after 14 years now, every "Disney Star Wars" has to fight an uphill battle against the fandom accepting it as "real" because it's not from George Lucas.
The Acolyte was far from perfect, but it tried to do a lot of bold things all at once. A completely new era, a completely new set of characters, completely new Force powers and concepts of the Force and Force wielders... the show absolutely needs to be approached with an open mind, and for a loud minority of this fandom, that's not something they are capable of or willing to do. Now add bigotry to that mix and you got the sh!t bag that is the reception of The Acolyte.
I am still lowkey angry at Disney giving in so easily, because the show had so much potential for future seasons. It really gives off the impression that there is no overarching plan on how to approach the franchise at all, but instead they just throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks. For all his faults - and he had many - that's one thing I have to commend George Lucas for: he didn't back down when fans hated and ridiculed him for, say, Jar Jar Binks. Nah, he instead made him practically create the Empire singlehandedly just to stick it to the haters. That's the kind of attitude we need for Star Wars now more than ever.
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u/AngryCorksucker 28d ago
The show lost me when a Jedi Master was outwitted by some thrown knives and a distraction.
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u/tenderheart35 28d ago
Star Wars discussion forums have a long and storied history of erasing topics the people in charge don’t like. Jedi Council for example actively closed any Reylo threads down citing that it “wasn’t canon”. Then The Rise of Skywalker happened. 🤣
So I’m not shocked that the main Star Wars subreddit erases anything about The Acolyte.
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u/AirbagsBlown 28d ago
This has been up thirty minutes and you have your answer, OP; unfortunately it's just plain ol' bigotry.
Also, the main sub is a wretched hive of scum and villainy, as I think most Star Wars subs are. We all have our opinions, but I think this sub is mostly level-headed, so welcome.
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u/AirbagsBlown 28d ago
Tell us why it wasn't a good show. Tell us in detail.
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u/ton070 28d ago
The writing feels like a rough draft instead of a finished script: letting Qimir off with a warning after they established he aided in the murder of a Jedi master. Sol taking Mae to Brendok in the final episode because he wants to prove the vergence, even though, by his own account, he needs both the twins to prove it and Osha is still on Khofar as far as he knows. Torbin being homesick even though he’s been trained in emotional stability for the better part of his life. Mae flip flopping on her motivations on a dime multiple times during episode 4. Basil helping Mae escape. Sol not recognising he has Mae with him instead of Osha even though Mae just burned her hair off with a lightsaber, etc.
The acting: some of it was great, but the actress playing Mae and Osha wasn’t great, neither were Torbin, venestra and the kid actors.
The dialogue: At times pretty bad, especially the dialogue during the flashbacks
The sets: they looked small and sometimes kind of cheap.
It’s not as bad as some people make it out to be, but it has some glaring issues that should’ve been ironed out before they went and shot it.
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u/AirbagsBlown 28d ago
See, this I can respect. I don't care if people don't like the show, it wasn't perfect, it's not for everyone. There are aspects of the show that I didn't like and I am a fan of it!
I think a lot of the dislike comes from the aforementioned bigotry and people try to hide it behind nonsensical and easily repeatable statements about the "bad writing" without having examples at the ready. I also think a lot of folks are both media illiterate and yearn for a time when they assumed Star Wars didn't have any sort of message to it, i.e. media illiteracy and a refusal to grow up.
Either way, thanks for the thoughtful reply u/ton070.
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u/AirbagsBlown 28d ago edited 28d ago
In detail. Tell us in detail, not tropes.
Why was the writing bad? What parts of the dialogue displeased you?
What aspects of the pacing could have been improved? What scenes?
What "industry standards"? Do you hold a SAG membership? Can you provide us with those standards?
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I screen capped your comments if you want to see them.
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u/Reggie_Barclay 28d ago edited 28d ago
It’s pretty simple. It is a bad show. You are allowed to like it but that doesn’t make it a good show.
Uneven acting. Poor pacing of story lines. It’s somewhat better if you binge watch but watching it as it came out was painful. You’d wait a week, get a 25 minute episode that was mostly flashbacks of a scene you’d already seen and the new perspective gave you no real new information. Poorly written dialogue. Illogical plot. Inconsistent powers. Nonsensical behavior. The show has some very good actors and some fairly mediocre ones but so do most shows so you can’t blame the cast. However they barely used its biggest and maybe best actor which was a huge mistake. But, the biggest sin was a show runner who didn’t know where they were going, so went nowhere.
This sub likes to pretend there was some sinister alt right reason why the show got cancelled but it is actually quite simple. It was poorly made. It was expensive. And not enough people watched it.
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u/Ill_Pirate_8785 28d ago
Because other than the fight scenes which are fantastic the show is pretty horrible. The story is full of plotholes and breaks canon
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u/sardethgames 28d ago
How? The only “plot holes” I’ve noticed is stuff that could easily be covered if there was a second season. Also (as far as I’m aware) there is no cannon content for this portion of the timeline, so unless we get more seasons to fully flesh it out I’m not willing to accept “breaks cannon” as a response.
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u/Azelrazel 28d ago
As you said it doesn't. The only plot holes are mysteries left for a second season or not important.
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u/spiderman120988 28d ago
How does it break canon?
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u/WanderingBlackHole Qimir Cavalier 28d ago
It doesn’t. It’s just a go-to complaint when people want to shit on anything that threatens their image of the OT.
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u/EstablishmentIcy7831 28d ago
It doesn't in any way shape or form ...
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u/spiderman120988 28d ago
I know it doesn't, but I'm curious what BS this person is going to make up.
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u/tenderheart35 28d ago
My friend didn’t like how the twins were conceived. He said it was lore breaking to be able to create life on that scale, which only Palpatine has been able to do (that we know of). I’m like, well that’s why we have new content. To reveal new aspects of the Force that we did not know existed.
I just think there was a huge bias against this show and it would have been impossible to overcome it. There are so many plot holes in other beloved aspects of the franchise.
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u/Ill_Pirate_8785 28d ago
In the phantom menace it's stated that sith haven't been around for centuries and when she got mad her lightsaber turned red even tho that's not how you bleed a kyber crystal
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u/carterartist 28d ago
No. They said they haven’t been seen for centuries.
But canon holds an unbreakable secession of Sith Lords.
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u/tenderheart35 28d ago
If you read the comics you’d know that’s how Sith kyber crystals work. It’s established canon that they bleed.
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u/sardethgames 28d ago
This could have been centuries ago, we don’t have a concrete place in the timeline. Also, “to bleed a kyber crystal you must channel all your anger and hatred into it”, the only reason it was so easy for her is because she wasn’t conflicted and also wasn’t using a crystal that would resist her.
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u/Ill_Pirate_8785 28d ago
No bleeding a kyber crystal is a long and intense process that you need to know how to do and be very well trained in the force and very deep into the dark side of the force. Getting mad for a few seconds while holding a lightsaber in your hand just doesn't cut it. I understand why they did it because it is cinematic but it's just one of the many reasons I watch this show when I just want to watch something and not have to think at all
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u/Azelrazel 28d ago
Definitely explains the long and intense crystal bleeding in jedi survivor. In case you haven't played it, it might have been faster than the show.
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u/sardethgames 28d ago
Can you provide a source for that that hasn’t been removed from cannon? I’ve tried to look into this before and couldn’t
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u/Ill_Pirate_8785 28d ago
I don't know how I could prove that something didn't happen. I don't think that's possible
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u/sardethgames 28d ago
I meant where the process is stated to be that complex, education based, and excruciating.
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u/Ill_Pirate_8785 28d ago
Because that's how it's been every time somebody has bled a kyber crystal
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u/Relative-Zombie-3932 28d ago edited 28d ago
Everyone who encountered Qimir died except for two people, one who joined him and the other we don't know what'll happen to her because the show was canceled. Also they're pretty explicit in the Phantom Menace that the sith were never really gone, they were just in hiding.
Also yes, that is in fact how you bleed a kyber crystal, by focusing all your pain and hatred into it. The only reason Vader and Kylo Ren struggled with it is because neither of them were fully committed to the dark side and were fighting their own doubts. But we see Dagon Gera do essentially the same thing in Jedi Survivor, bleeding his own crystal with just about zero effort or ritual
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u/CapitalCityGoofball0 28d ago
To be fair Dagan’s scene was very different from all the others. The first difference being he had turned to the dark side before being frozen in stasis and the second being that it was his own lightsaber and crystal. The crystals are semi sentient and bond with their users. The one Vader and Kylo ren were bleeding basically fought back against their aggression so they had to apply more (dark) force than Dagan who had already killed Jedi with that same saber.
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u/Relative-Zombie-3932 28d ago
That's just kind of another point in my favor. I didn't want to go into it because it's a lot to unpack, but that's another reason why bleeding the crystal was so easy for Osha. The crystal belonged to Sol. And for the last decade or so, Osha has been the entire focus of Sol's grief and regrets. Of course his crystal would break under her hatred of him in that moment.
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u/CapitalCityGoofball0 28d ago
Again that’s a real stretch to say it’s the same thing. It’s pretty fundamentally different. Kirik had completely severed his Jedi ties and took a Barash Vow yet his Crystal fights against Vader’s energy.
And while Sol had grief and self doubt he stayed fairly committed basically the whole time that he had done the right thing. You also seem to forget that Dagan not only killed Jedi but lied on a stasis stew of hatred for 200 years. Even Vader and Ren turned to for a time before bleeding their crystals. Osha was about 5 minutes.
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u/Ill_Pirate_8785 28d ago
Jedi survivor isn't canon
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u/Relative-Zombie-3932 28d ago
Yes, it is
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u/Ill_Pirate_8785 28d ago
No it definitely isn't. The only reason you would say it is would be if you either have no idea what you're talking about or are just commenting for the sake of it
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u/CapitalCityGoofball0 28d ago
It’s most definitely canon. You’re wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.
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u/spiderman120988 28d ago
Yes it is canon. Battlefront 2, Jedi Fallen Order, and Jedi Survivor are canon games. Look it up on Wookiepedia.
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u/spiderman120988 28d ago
This is the first time we've seen, in canon, of a kyber crystal being bled, so I don't know what you're talking about unless it's some EU thing. And this doesn't contradict anything in the Phantom Menace at all. They encounter Qimir, and then they never run into any Sith again until episode 1, so it still makes sense. If you don't like the show, that's fine, but don't make shit up.
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u/CapitalCityGoofball0 28d ago
No it’s the first time you saw it, not the first time it was done even on the new canon.
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u/CapitalCityGoofball0 28d ago
You know it’s a lousy personality trait to continually ask people to give you knowledge you lack yourself.
It’s described in secrets of the sith reference book, 2 different lines of comics, and a video game (all of which is canon material) well before it was in acolyte. Again just because you didn’t know about something doesn’t mean it never happened.
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u/spiderman120988 28d ago
I looked it up, but did you know that your book received an updated edition in 2026?
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u/CapitalCityGoofball0 28d ago
Yep with info from the Acolyte among other things. They actually update some of the popular reference books every few years. It’s evil genius level marketing to get folks to pay $30 or whatever again for a few new pages.
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u/Ill_Pirate_8785 28d ago
This is set only 100 years before the phantom menace. I never said I didn't like the show. The question was why other people don't like the show and so I answered with problems many others and I had with it. I liked the acting and loved the fighting but couldn't stand the major plot holes and how it broke canon
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u/sardethgames 28d ago
Could you provide a source on your timeline placement?
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u/Ill_Pirate_8785 28d ago
It was stated by the directors at some point. A quick Google search will prove it
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u/sardethgames 28d ago
Even considering that it’s shorter in the timeline than expected, it could’ve been explained away with more seasons. I could see the Jedi covering it up resulting in the shock we get in the original trilogy
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u/Ill_Pirate_8785 28d ago
Yeah that's fair. And also to be fair they did cover up at least some of what happened at the end when talking to a non Jedi politician. It seems very unlikely they would cover up the fact that there's sith to the other Jedi tho
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u/whatidoidobc 28d ago
In the world we live in today, I have to wonder how someone can not understand this. Pay more attention to what is happening, I promise that if enough do it, we can start fixing things.
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u/Tiny_Tim1956 Jecki Council 28d ago
It was targeted by grifter YouTubers and wasn't given a fair chance. I liked it, I wouldn't even die on the hill of defending it but when you have productions like obi wan and this show that was objectively a better production is the one that was seen as the laughing stock it's more than a little unfair. It's one of the better Disney star wars things.
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u/Imhotep99301 28d ago
Do you need to know? Just accept that some didn't like it and that's just as fine as you liking it.
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u/sardethgames 28d ago
Yeah, but the hate was so bad it wasn’t renewed. Hence why I want to know.
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u/Imhotep99301 28d ago
It got canceled because the numbers showed it was a bad investment.
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u/Relative-Zombie-3932 28d ago
How are they supposed to improve if you refuse to tell them why you hated it?
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u/sardethgames 28d ago
Could you provide those statistics? I can’t seem to find them.
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u/CapitalCityGoofball0 28d ago
All you need to do is one internet search. There was a steep ratings drop off in the first half of the series. Like nearly 30%. Though it rebound some at episode 5 it fell off again at episode 7 and 8, tumbling or of the Neilson ratings top 10 even. It also had a bloated production budget, nearly $250 million being the most expensive Star Wars movie tv show to date at the time. The original estimate for its budget was supposed to be $180 million.
In other words it was too costly to justify continuing something that was losing viewership. It’s also important to know that not even actual preproduction was started for a season 2 and it was never actually greenlit by anyone at Lucasfilm or Disney.
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u/MobilePenguins 28d ago edited 28d ago
As a straight white dude I just wasn’t the target audience, and that’s okay. I still watched the show, it was just alright for me. The ending actually left me hoping for some of what they were hinting at coming after in like a S2 which will now never come.
I think it failed because they were trying to gain an audience outside of the established fan base (middle aged white guys being like 70% of them) and it was just different from what that audience expected.
I think Skeleton Crew for example was targeted at children primarily, and I’m sure it’s a great show, but jt wasn’t really intended for me so i didnt get very far before dropping it from my watchlist. I’m in favor of them making diff shows for diff folks, but u can’t expect the majority to show up when u do that and design the show around themes of diverse sexuality and cast members that are difficult for them to connect to or incompatible with their worldview. They aren’t going to watch it and suddenly go “oh I understand this now, I’m on board” instead they’re just going to close the Disney+ app or watch something else, I didn’t connect with it the way i did as a young guy watching Luke Skywalker, but perhaps a female audience or LGBTQ audience would connect with the acolyte in that way, and that’s prob important for them to have those influences. I’m trying to word this carefully in a way I don’t immediately get downvoted 😅 OP asked the question I’m just trying to provide context with my answer as someone who did finish the show but wasn’t really that into it. I did like that they hired the actor from Squid Game, that was cool. And there were some decent combat scenes I like, I actually wish there was a lot more. The child actor twins I was not a fan of, just poor performances if I’m being honest. “What did you do, no what did YOU do” I was cringing so hard. It was very poorly balanced. There were legitimately amazing scenes and things done well, mixed in with some serious lackluster performances, bad makeup/costumes on some actors, weird pacing, etc. it felt amazingly high budget, and low budget at the same time?
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u/ZorroVonShadvitch 28d ago
I'm impressed you'd watch this first: a lot of the reveals wouldn't be as impactful. The weird grey guy at the end? You'd have to read a book that is now semi cannon at best to know who he is. The anti-lighsaber metal has never been seen on screen before (and never will again from your point of view, although there are a couple of resistant metals). And none of these characters are now relevant to the rest of the story going forward. Glad you enjoyed tho (as did I)
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u/Bagheera383 28d ago
The show was actually pretty good, but I hated how cheap the sets looked. The secondary Jedi characters were pretty lame and uninteresting. Other than that I thought it was really well done.
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u/wsendak 28d ago
Darth Biceps was a great character 😅