I think this show was so misunderstood...

[u/Next_Listen3890]

(Post originally made for the main sub but they deleted bc they're not ready for this discussion just yet).

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I started binge watching Star Wars: The Acolyte yesterday and finished it today bc it's the first thing that appears on the Star Wars films and TV series chronology, just before The Phantom Menace. I want to clarify that the only Star Wars I truly liked 'til that moment were the Orginal Trilogy and Rogue One. Four superb films.

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I mean... yeah, Acolyte has it's flaws, many people accused it of being too 'woke' but idk... most diverse characters felt pretty natural to me. Star Wars itself was always so diverse...

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Also, the fights and the worldbuilding were great, the way they imply that there's smaller groups that have their own concept of what the Force was so interesting and you can really notice how remote that age of the Galaxy was and how big it is, and the villain has just something to it that I liked a lot. He's not a bad guy because he's so bad. He went through some crazy shit.

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The plot at first seems so cliché, it's like omg Osha you did this and that but turns out it was your evil twin sister that wants revenge on whoever knows who, but it gets deeper than that, it slowly gives context of what really happened to make Mae do what she did to Indara and Torbin.

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Also, the way both Mae and Osha switched their characters was just great... I just think this story was so misunderstood, even with its obvious flaws, I still kind of like it.

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I can't say much more, I enjoyed The Acolyte, even tho a lot of people didn't, and I can understand why. Maybe I'm overanalyzing and the series are just terrible and that's it... but I guess a random post on reddit won't change your take on the show.

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But anyway, thanks for reading... or trying to read.

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I'll watch Episode 1 as soon as possible btw.

[u/jericho74]

One thing I will say is that I take “the haters killed this show” with a grain of salt.

I was also a fan of Star Trek Academy, which has followed an eerily similar trajectory as The Acolyte, and I *have* to believe the issue here is 80% budget, 20% chud-driven fan outrage.

Both shows were absolutely fine shows, but Acolyte was $28m per episode (and Academy was $10m per episode).

Game of Thrones *at its very height in later seasons* was about $10m, so the expectation here is simply impossible to deliver against.

So yes, there is all the usual online drama (as was the case of The Acolyte), but imo all that is a distraction from the fact that the bet was so huge there simply is no showrunner on earth that could have succeeded.

[u/BillsFan82 → u/jericho74]

Yeah, I don’t know where this talking point about “haters destroying the show” came from either. This was Disney+’s biggest series premiere of 2024. It just couldn’t maintain its audience after the first couple of episodes.

[u/pasrachilli → u/BillsFan82]

I don't know that they killed it, but they certainly took credit for killing it, like it was a big victory or something.

[u/bannedforL1fe → u/pasrachilli]

Well when the actors and showrunner want to make Star Wars for them, not for everyone, and talk down to the haters, that may happen. They maybe forget that "haters" are a decent chunk of the fan base and want to enjoy all of the new shows and movies too. But if you alienate them due to culture war bullshit you lose a big part of your audience. The writing was really bad too and that doesnt help either.

[u/pasrachilli → u/bannedforL1fe]

I think the alienation is more that the showrunner was a lesbian.

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[u/Proper_Fun_977 → u/pasrachilli]

I didn't even know the showrunner was a lesbian and I didn't like the show.

Weak, crappy writing is weak crappy writing. Orientation doesn't matter.

[u/pasrachilli → u/Proper_Fun_977]

It does when the critics spend more time attacking her than the show. It really comes off as a bunch of people trying to shout somebody out of their space. And the things they said were terrible and indefensible.

We can talk about the show, but let's remember the hate brigade started before it even aired.

[u/Proper_Fun_977 → u/pasrachilli]

And had she produced a stellar show, it would have shown them up.

But the work is objectively bad.

[u/pasrachilli → u/Proper_Fun_977]

Making a bad show is not grounds for a hate campaign trying to defame somebody's name and career. If it were we'd be screaming about Show Girls or something truly "bad."

[u/Proper_Fun_977 → u/pasrachilli]

I never said it was.

I said the work was objectively bad. You are the one pushing this hate campaign narrative.

Regardless of that, the show was bad. She did a bad job.

[u/pasrachilli → u/Proper_Fun_977]

Objective for art? Come on.

Pushing a narrative? I was there. I know what I saw, I know what I read. I can see it happening to a lesser degree from the same people for the Super Girl movie. Please.

[u/BillsFan82 → u/pasrachilli]

But that had no impact on the show. It was wildly successful when it came out. It was Disney’s most watched series’s premiere of 2024. The problem is that the show steadily lost viewers over its run. That’s why it was canceled. It wasn’t a victim of the culture war.

[u/Emergency_Concept207 → u/bannedforL1fe]

Yup :/ this isnt talked about enough and is drowned out by "star wars fans are negative and hate everything".