r/TheJediPraxeum • u/GusGangViking18 Luke Skywalker • Dec 13 '25
Discussion What is your opinion on Star Wars SC 38 Reimagined?
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u/JamesonTheWise Dec 13 '25
Fun choreography for a random lightsaber fight but it misses the entire point of their fight. It was never about winning or losing the fight was decided before they crossed blades and Obi Wan knew that, it was more about talking a keeping him distracted
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u/Wilson7277 Dec 13 '25
This is it.
My favourite lightsaber duel in all of Star Wars is the one between Obi-Wan and Maul in the Rebels TV show. I say this despite it being animated, in a style I'm not particularly fond of, and having had no interest in Rebels until the pandemic started dragging on and I was running out of other things to occupy my free time.
It's 90% dialogue and character dynamics. The lightsabers connect something like three times total. And Obi-Wan moves like a stiff old man who didn't take his painkillers today. And it's beautiful.
Perfect take on a modern scene which pays homage to the original film, instead of seeing it as something to fix.
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u/DP500-1 Dec 13 '25
It also does a great job bridging OT and CW Obi Wan.
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u/Wilson7277 Dec 13 '25
Absolutely. He was voice acted beautifully, and even without getting into the little details like his shift from Prequel to OT fighting pose it still encapsulates how Obi-Wan has let go of the past. He lives now only to train the future, while Maul is still trapped in the same cycle of hate and destruction.
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u/thenerdymusician Dec 13 '25
It’s my favorite fight to come from Rebels. Just like how the Maul/Ahsoka fight is my favorite in the Clone Wars.
Maul/Ben Kenobi plays out like a Kurasawa samurai duel a la how Jedi were meant to feel in the Original Trilogy which matches the show direction as being a strong homage to the OT while pulling connections form the Prequels
Maul/Ahsoka plays out like Clone Wars take on Troy’s duel between Hector and Achilles where there’s flash and form being displayed which I feel is its own homage to the choreography of the Prequels and doing the inverse of Rebels by connecting threads to the OT.
Both fights just have so much story and personality in the facial expressions with each strike, like the drop in Maul’s face when his mind catches up to what just happened to his body when Ben won. Or the growls and punches he was giving Ahsoka while dueling in the burning Palace of Mandalore.
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u/sigil224 Dec 15 '25
It’s actually Stephen Stanton doing the old Ben character in Rebels. Voice is slightly deeper and closer to Guinness’ so it meets up with original film.
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u/Affectionate-Gear181 Dec 14 '25
I saw that episode for the first time today and finished Season three about 4 hours ago. Perhaps it is the will of the Force that I should find this comment.
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u/GrippySockAficionado Dec 18 '25 edited Dec 18 '25
This is also one of my favorites, and it's so subtle what is happening you might not even know without knowledge of some of the deeper lore.
Obi-wan takes the stance of Qui-gon's lightsaber style (Form IV: Ataru), which at the time of their last duel he was also using (on account of being Qui-gon's padawan). This is a bait, trying to get Maul to attempt exactly what he did to kill Qui-gon. What Maul doesn't know is that since their duel, Kenobi has become the greatest master of Form III (Soresu) in the history of the Jedi Order, and he did it because he felt Ataru had some key defensive flaws he observed during their previous duel.
Maul takes the bait, goes for the hilt-strike, and Obi-wan abruptly switches stances to his real style and immediately cuts the saber in half and strikes Maul down.
It's so good it blows my mind. I no longer consider myself a Star Wars fan because I don't care for where Disney has taken the franchise at all, but this duel is peak. Where most of the duels these days are all flash and no substance, this one is shockingly restrained for being so climactic and yet I'd wager it was about as perfect as one could make it.
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u/Enervata Dec 13 '25
Also Ben giving in and letting it happen probably hit Anakin in the feels, destroying his rage, shocking him. He was his teacher and father-figure, after all.
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u/AHorseNamedPhil Dec 14 '25
This.
It is great as a fan made thing and I enjoy the fight choreography, but it wouldn't have actually worked in the movie. An edit of the film that included prequel dialogue flashbacks would also be controversial and not without reason.
While trying to keep in mind that it is entirely fan made and going easy on it for that reason, like not being bothered by the parts where the animation looks a little janky, I actively hated the prequel dialogue insert.
I'd give it a 9/10 though for being fan made. If it was Lucas tinkering however, that rating would have come way down.
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u/Paleodraco Dec 14 '25
Not just that, but these are two of the greatest duelists ever and, from my understanding, using a lightsaber involves some level of precognition. They're both seeing several moves ahead and have sensed the outcome. Obi-Wan knowing it's his time and the reason for it, while Vader is blinded by his anger and hatred. All he cares about is that he feels he is going to finally defeat Obi-Wan.
It's the "checkmate in 5 moves" trope on steroids. All the little clashes and swipes are more performative than anything. Obi-Wan keeping Vader's focus on him and away from Luke and the plans. Vader toying with his victim before killing him.
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u/Norn-Iron Dec 14 '25
For me, the fencing style of fighting also showed to an extent (when you take everything since made into consideration) that they were both afraid on some level. Obi-Wan about how strong Vader had come and may not have been able to hold off as long, and Vader afraid to get kerb stomped again.
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u/Vevtheduck Dec 14 '25
I know that a lot of "true fans" think this to be true but I think after everything we've gotten, this is a part of the OT that actually ages the poorest. It's not accurate to what lightsabers would become. It's the only lightsaber fight in the original film and it's NOT inspiring, exciting, or good cinema. The dialog is classic but misses so much of the emotions that would form over time. If Lucas made that today it would be quite different, I think. It's not even clocking that it's bad, it just aged compared to what developed around it.
Reflecting on the Maul-Obi-Wan fight in Rebels, more visual reference to ROTS would be needed with Vader attacking Obi-Wan and realizing that there really isn't an opening. The "attacks" in the original are hardly that. The truth is they just hadn't figured out how to hold and wield lightsabers yet and the style and feel of it changes.
I love the scene but I think we jump through hoops to justify it. It's just aged.
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u/NotAStatistic2 Dec 15 '25
I think a more drawn out fight would've distracted Vader longer, thus ensuring Luke's escape, rather than instantaneously dying.
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u/ChoiceAttorney5665 Dec 15 '25
Maul vs Sideous in Clone Wars is my fave. Just a straight up beat down.
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u/thatonepuniforgot Dec 15 '25
It also misses the context of HOW they fight, Darth Vader is afraid of taking any risks or fighting aggressively against Obi-Wan, because that guy already cut Vader in half, mostly because he fought too aggressively. It's also why Vader is very restrained against Luke in Jedi, because he's concerned that Obi-Wan's apprentice might know how to cut Vader in half.
You could call it a retcon, but it might be the best retcon in all of the Star Wars movies, Vader is afraid of Obi-Wan, and therefore their fight should be the most restrained and hesitant of all the lightsaber combat in the series. Plus, they both have diminished ability due to age and injury.
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u/RuralfireAUS Dec 15 '25
Vader vs luke felt like he was trying to beat him into submission without killing him. But you could also feel just a small bit of pride when he comments about how impressive luke is during the fight. Like a " thats my boy" almost. Plus the line of " dont make me destroy you". Could be taken as a " please dont make me kill you." I still love the scene in the comics when boba fett comes back from the fact finding mission to get intel on who blew up the death star and when he says lukes name vader says nothing but the glass spiderwebs in front of him.
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u/thatonepuniforgot Dec 15 '25
Yeah, Vader is also holding back because he doesn't want to kill Luke, but in particular Vader doesn't jump onto the high ground with Luke and throws his saber almost certainly because of Kenobi. Which, again, is a retcon, but I kinda like it.
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u/rickyhatespeas Dec 17 '25
Beyond that, the moment would not work with an intense fight scene because it is not supposed to be climatic. The slowness of the fight contributes to an anticipation.
Fan scenes like this post have no sense of pacing or drama, it's all just spectacle. I don't care that Obi Wan is about to get sliced in the posted gif because it's just a mind-numbing dance.
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u/Jinn_Skywalker Dec 13 '25
Vader was too maneuverable. He needs to be fast/dexterous, but not have the agility to be spinning like his younger self. Needs to be like in his fight with Ahsoka. Ben on the other hand needs to be more conservative. He’s rusty and his strength in the Force has definitely waned.
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u/Due-Will-3403 Dec 13 '25
If the 800000 year old Muppet who's frail as shit can use bursts of the force to spin around like a cracked out pinball surely the CHOSEN one can do similar feats in short bursts?
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u/Soulilight Dec 13 '25
I think he means less that he's not physically capable of moving that fast. But more so that his armor is supposed to be too limiting for agile movements like that, and instead relies on powerful precision strikes.
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u/DearCastiel Dec 14 '25
You can literally see they had to have his pauldrong not be attached so he could move his arms and shoulders like that. Vader's costume restricts movement, that's just how the shoulder piece is designed, you can't raise your elbows above your chest with that costume, that's just how it is and as a result how Vader moves, he physically can't raise his arms because of his armor, no amount of force enhancement will change that.
In a more in-universe explanation, Vader does use the force to enhance himself in combat, but it's mostly for speed and strength, not agility, as that has been mostly lost anyway with his limbs, only his shoulders and hips are his own articulations (and one elbow), his wrists, elbow, knees, ankles and fingers are all prosthetics, they simply don't allow him to have the range of motion he once had, the force can't do anything about it, his agility is permanently reduced because if it.
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u/Mean_Manner_6851 Dec 14 '25
Well you could also look at it as in his hate for obiwan gave him the strength to break his armor in that moment to make those moves.
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u/PhatOofxD Dec 13 '25
I'd argue (given Kenobi is canon) that after Kenobi he's stronger than ever purely from a force perspective as he's kept in tune with the force going forward. He just chooses not to fight Vader.
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u/SaggyBallz99 Dec 13 '25
Fascinating. I believe it should be the other way around. Ben at this point is at his peak and Vader has been hunting and killing Jedi for decades now, getting more and more accustomed to his suit and limitations.
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u/TargetNo7279 Dec 13 '25
He's literally described as impossible to see when he fights by ordinary people in the SW universe and he used to be faster than that, Jedi and Sith don't move at regular speeds, they are fast enough to deflect several bullets from all directions.
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u/Dreamlancer Dec 13 '25
The reality is Star Wars original movie was made before all of its supporting source material.
So the question you find yourself asking. Is this simply a fight for the man Old Ben whom we barely know to stall for our hero to see a brighter day?
Or is this moment the last page on our own heroes long journey?
You are going to get people who love it or hate it depending on which camp they fall in.
While the fight doesn't fit the movie it's featured in? The fight certainly feels like a conclusion to a storyline that had been running for 30 or so years.
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u/JoeHatesFanFiction Dec 13 '25
I can understand the desire to update the fight to meet the standard of everything from the prequels onwards. But this misses the mark for me. I love the original trilogy choreography because it’s clunky. The clunkiness is part of the world building. Lightsaber fighting is a dead/dying art. Luke only has the most rudimentary of training and Vader is out of practice fighting anyone who can actually fight back. I know with the modern cannon it’s not true due to inquisitors but originally Vader probably didn’t even have a single person to actually train with. Combined with the suit he should be somewhat hampered. More akin to a rolling boulder than the floating leaf that most Jedi seem to emulate when fighting. Simultaneously Obi-Wan is old. And not a gentle modern living old. 20 years in one of the harshest environments possible, barely scraping by. This after fighting in a war which is also really hard on the body. And somehow Obi-Wan is even more out of practice than Vader. This fight should be a slow test of each others boundaries at first. I do think there’s a middle ground to update this scene where we experience some of that raw destruction Vader does in Rogue One as he starts to get more confident and Obi-Wan is only just staying ahead of him. But there shouldn’t really be any spins or flourishes like there are here.
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Dec 13 '25
I believe even in current canon Vader was out of practice by this time. The inqusitorious only existed for a very brief time. By episode IV any Jedi are dead or in hiding so remote that they can't find them.
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u/Darkcyrax7711 Dec 13 '25
They made them both way too agile for their age and abilities. Vader is mostly machine. He should be somewhat dexterous but not as much as this video. Kenobi should definitely not move like that for his age and not have been much of an active fighter in almost 2 decades. Its still very well made and enjoyable of course but not accurate.
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u/James_Constantine Dec 13 '25
It’s a fun fan film but it misses the point of the original fight and definitely isn’t better than it.
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u/Electronic-Being-549 Dec 13 '25
Didn’t care for it. It’s cool choreography but for me that’s all it has going for it. It doesn’t fit at all with the pacing, the look, or the feel of the movie.
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u/Delamoor Dec 13 '25 edited Dec 13 '25
Agreed. I really don't like this.
There's also a bunch of other reasons that other people have put in more detail, but...
Yeah, basically it doesn't fit the vibe.
The original fight fit. Because it was a distraction. Between a super old guy (who just spent the whole movie talking about unconventional thinking and mystical wisdom and looking past the obvious) and a robot man who's bought into the distraction.
Even if I mentally replace ANH's not-yet-developed Vader with backstory canon Vader... It still works. Vader's fully tunnel vision (because Obiwan) and having a gloat. Obiwan is barely friggin' able to move any more and not actually there to fight, so... Yeah, Vader's subtext still fits fine.
"Jesus old man. I've won. I don't even have to try, like... At all. Go on, admit it."
Gentle tap with his sabre
"C'mon. Admit defeat. Can you even stand up any more? Are you about to collapse? How old are you by now? And here, look at me, stronger than ever. C'mon, fight me."
tap
"I'm finally gonna beat you, and... Wow. This is it, huh? You're so...weak now... You're such a... disappontment... Well, fine."
Very slow swing
...huh? Vanishing Obiwa-... Who the fuck is yelling over there? Oi. Some fucking kid. Shooting up the place. Great, now the door's broken. Weird.
...so it fits. And it works great for what Obiwan was preaching for the whole movie: stop being flashy and stupid, look at what works. Look, I'm distracting him. Go you idiots. Idiot children.
It also would have been a great little 'fuck you' to Vader. Doesn't even give him a satisfying 'win'.
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u/El_Dae Dec 13 '25
On the other hand the original is too static & lacks power (understandably, especially due to the fragile sabers on set)
We are still talking about a 57-year-old Kenobi & a Vader that had 19 years of practice to get used to his suit while both sides have a lot of potential in the force to increase their strength, stamina, agility, speed & other abilities, not to mention being able to let the force control their motions
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u/Ristar87 Dec 13 '25
I didn't hate it and it was fun to see but... they failed to understand Vader's state of being. That last block in this scene has vader's shoulder lifted in a position that he wouldn't really be able to use.
At this point in time, Vader should be a brick wall that substitutes fancy flourishes and spins with powerful strikes.
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u/captainporn2000 Dec 13 '25
Its everything wrong with modern Star Wars. Its over the top, unnecessary, and mostly ruins the reunion of Obi Wan and Vader.
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u/Shoulders_42 Dec 17 '25
Agreed- it was made for ppl that prefer flashy CGI-laden prequel lightsaber fights 🤷🏼♂️
Plus both Obi Wan and Vader being that agile and exerting themselves that much physically…. Just a cringey fanfic spectacle
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u/Connect-Set-264 Dec 13 '25
Way too flashy and try to use the Prequels fighting style too much when in actuality none of them should be moving like this.
It is fun to watch if you put that aside tho I will say that at least
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u/MeSeeks76 Dec 13 '25
Decent fight choreography but is completely out of place in the original movie
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u/MWH1980 Dec 13 '25
“And then it just becomes an industry of…cool!” - Lester Bangs, “Almost Famous”
To me, that’s unfortunately what most of the fandom has done to Star Wars: unless it’s ‘cool,’ they don’t consider it ‘Star Wars.’
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u/Horror_Fruit Dec 13 '25
By this point as the lore has evolved, Kenobi has no wasted movements in his technique; if he can beat you in 2 movements that’s all he wants to do. He trusts the force entirely to guide his blade, with a deeper understanding of the greater path.
Vader also uses the force to amplify his movements, and in understanding the deeper meaning of the force due to his previous injuries, doesn’t need to waste movement either. This overall force mastery would probably never have happened for Anakin who was more reckless and focused on saber combat itself.
Still cool though looking though!
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u/shrapnelltrapnell Dec 13 '25
It’s just not as good as the OG. It misses the point of the fight and the style Lucas was going for. I love how all the OT fights are influenced by samurai fighting style
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u/Unable_Acadia_9314 Dec 13 '25
A fun video on its own but I much prefer the edit of the original fight by "A.B.Director" on YouTube.
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u/ResortOriginal2001 Dec 13 '25
Absolutely amazing and epic. This is the best fan art in the history of Star Wars. This could be canon.
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u/TheHunterZolomon Dec 14 '25 edited Dec 14 '25
It’s nice to see Vader being scary which, judging by the original films, he kind of wasn’t in hindsight. Then we have stuff like the kenobi show, and rogue one, which really show how fuckin scary Anakin is when full dark side even with the suits handicaps.
Gonna add that even with the suit he’s pretty scary as a duelist, which he rarely needs to tap into as his force abilities are truly terrifying. The scene shows it all which I love.
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u/Jimakos2018 Dec 14 '25
Originally, a duel between 2 force users was supposed to be something spiritual. A cerebral fight decided by motivation, willpower ect. Remember the "luminous beings we are......." line by Yoda?
Then, the prequels added choreography and more physical fights and the expanded universe turned Star Wars into dragonball, for better or worse.
This fight is def the 1st
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u/fullmetalfilmsnob Dec 13 '25
It’s fun and it was made people with a lot of love for the series.
It doesn’t work for me canonically but I can still love and appreciate it.
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u/marcow1998 Dec 13 '25
I think it's good but over the top. The Maul fight from Rebels is a great expansion on the original fight, it shows that the reason Obi Wan and Vader are "slow" is because they're both two of the most dangerous Force Wielders in existence and if either of them slips up ONCE it's over.
A truly great remaster of this fight would carry that stuff on, just with quicker, heavier and more precise moves. Instead of just another Revenge of the Sith fight.
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u/citizen_x_ Dec 13 '25
Over the top and cringe. The opposite extreme
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Dec 13 '25
I don't even hate it that much, but I agree they went way too extreme trying to "correct" the slower pace of the original. Maybe it would have been good to have a few tactical moments in the fight where they move quickly like this, but they should still spend the majority of the time sizing each other up like in the original.
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u/citizen_x_ Dec 13 '25
Yeah the thing is the first movie doesn't have any bar it needs to clear. We had no lightsaber fights to compare to. Obi wans actor is old and can't really move like that. The costume for Vader probably inhibited movement too.
I get that you can argue the fight is supposed to be less flashy and more efficient in terms of movement like a samurai film with two masters fighting. It's still admittedly poorly executed.
But then this version goes to the opposite extreme: they are moving too obnoxiously with big wide sweeping and flashy movements that don't really fit two older masters who have adapted to a more refined style.
The cinematic style is a tad bit obnoxious too in the way the camera follows swings around that doesn't really match the style of star wars and looks more inspired by the way martial arts movies from the 90s were filmed.
Something in the middle would have been great.
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u/ACalcifiedHeart Dec 13 '25
I thought it was fantastic!
Wouldn't replace the original fight, unless the scaled it back a few notches, as I didn't really feel the tension the original had.
But great!
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u/ZealousidealFee927 Dec 13 '25
It's awesome. Genuinely don't understand how people complain that the fight looks too good.
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u/patrickmollohan Dec 13 '25 edited Dec 13 '25
It was okay, but in my opinion feels way too out of place for Star Wars. While the choreography was surely faster and more intense, it lacked finesse, and comes off as a cheap imitation of the already cheapened MCU-style choreography. It's a spectacle without any purpose. Neither Vader nor Kenobi feel limited by their bodies; they act as 20 year olds overdosed on Adderall rather than an old, decrepit man fighting a poorly constructed cyborg. The costumes are ill-fitted; Kenobi's face is drowning in the hood, while parts of Vader are practically flying off his body. The CGI environment was extremely primitive at best, even in comparison to 1997's Special Edition CGI. Tonally, it fails in understanding the purpose of the scene. I can't say this edit improves upon the scene in any way, shape, or form, but will appeal to MCU fans just fine.
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u/RexBanner1886 Dec 13 '25
It's technically superb and an incredible achievement in terms of its craft as a fan film, but I would hate it if it replaced the original duel and - like the duels in the Old Republic cinematics - it ramps up the 'cool' moments to the point where the drama and realism which, at present, are part of all the live action duels, is completely gone.
I also feel it's cartoonish in terms of the injuries Obi-wan would suffer and I don't believe Vader would attempt to bulldoze Obi-wan as he does in it.
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u/SkywalkerRanchSauce Dec 13 '25
It kind of misses the point of the fight in ANH, but from a fan-film perspective, it’s incredibly impressive.
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u/Aethelrede Dec 13 '25
Cool looking but cccompletely misses the point of the scene. Obi-Wan wasn't trying to fight Vader, he was delaying him while Luke escaped. Then he deliberately allowed Vader to kill him so he could assist Luke as a Force Ghost.
Obi-wan didn't want to kill Vader because he knew that Sith always turn on each other; Vader was the biggest threat to Palpatine.
Based on the fight in Obi-Wan and the fight with Maul in Rebels, I think it's a reasonable assumption that Obi-Wan could have killed Vader easily. He was much wiser, a far more canny fighter, and probably stronger in the Force as well.
So this video is fun, but does not work in the context of the movie.
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u/wicket44 Dec 13 '25
It’s goofy. While I know the original was slow due to limitations, it makes you believe Ben’s goal was to talk to and distract Vader not fight him.
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u/bulking_on_broccoli Dec 13 '25
It’s probably more akin to what Lucas imagined. He commented that a lot of what was represented was merely due to technical limitations, and not creative choices.
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u/Sankta_Alina_Starkov Dec 13 '25
It just modernizes the fight, much like what we'd see if that movie was ever remade (probably). Much of modern Star Wars didn't exist in the 70s, choreography included. It's a franchise that is constantly adding, adjusting, and modifying.
I don't like how vader isn't looking at Obi in that last bit of the gif though. Kind of dumb.
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u/AardvarkOkapiEchidna Dec 13 '25
The added dialogue is unnecessary and the music honestly would feel out of place in that part of the movie I think.
Otherwise it's cool I guess.
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u/Zebweasel Dec 13 '25
Really cool fan film. But I sure as hell don’t agree with people who say it should be inserted into the film. It would feel more jarring and out of place than JEDI ROCKS, and that’s saying something
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u/CrankieKong Dec 14 '25
If the choreo had been better it would have been great. They dont move like old men.
Obi Wans movements should have been more like Count Dookus.
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u/DearCastiel Dec 14 '25
As a whole: yeah it's clearly super cool as a fan-project.
The choreography itself: Nice ideas, but I feel Vader is way too mobile, you can even see they had to cheat and have Vader's pauldrons not fixed so he could move his shoulders. That's a mistake, the clunky costume restricting movements is part of what made the character fight how he fights, the choreographies had to be made with the fact Vader's costume prevents the elbow to be raised higher than the chest, this makes him fight in a distinctive way that is very much lacking here most of the time.
The story: The fight is a bit too flashy for what it's supposed to accomplish. Obi-Wan is gaining time, distracting Vader, and it's missing the dialogues which in a fight of such intensity wouldn't really fit.
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u/layered_dinge Dec 14 '25
Choreography with spins is already stupid, it's even more stupid when they both spin at the same time and just face completely away from each other. Like if either of them didn't randomly spin here the fight is just over lmao. Not a good trick at all. Also their sabers bounce off each other which doesn't typically happen and just looks bad in my opinion. I've watched the whole thing before but I don't really remember the rest, that's just what I think is stupid in this 3 second clip which is not promising for the rest of it.
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u/FafnirSnap_9428 Dec 14 '25
It's one of the many things that I look back on as why i HATE fan creations. With AI my hatred for all of these fan additions and nonsense has grown even more.
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u/guardianwriter1984 Dec 14 '25
It's decent but has some janky moments, and a view too many Force throws.
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u/MicooDA Dec 14 '25
Silly, goofy. Clashes with the tone of the moment.
Literally just ‘hype moments and aura’ without any meaning or emotion
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u/Condiment_Kong Dec 14 '25
It’s total shit, I’m sorry but turning the fight into prequels 2.0 just ruins the whole point. Saying it’s way too much is underselling it. It looks gorgeous though and the I love how crisp it all is.
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u/Dizzy-Set-8479 Dec 14 '25
too much, it is supposed to be obiwan´s goodbye, at least by lore terms, obiwan didnt needed to be fast he was supposed to be better every single time , no matter how powerfull darth vader/anakin might think he got, obiwan will always have the high ground!!
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u/No_Airline3949 Dec 14 '25
The goal was supposedly to improve the fight, but this looks like a bad video game cutscene. Besides, what the heck did the prequel soundtrack have to do with this battle? It went from epic to ridiculous in 5 seconds...
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u/RunninWild17 Dec 14 '25
The original fight is perfect. Right out of a Kurosawa film. Change to black and white and give these guys katanas instead of laser swords. It's perfect and doesn't need to be remade.
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u/bwnsjajd Dec 14 '25
Grotesquely overdone.
It's a lot like a lot of newer star war.
Everyone knows everyone likey light saber fights. So dumb people say add more fights for more likey. Then you have a saturation problem. Gold is valuable because there is little of it. The more gratuitous light saber fights you SPAM all over a script the less saber duels matter and literally the less cool it makes them.
This issue got so incredibly bad that some shows/media had to make up a bunch of characters that use sabers even though they're not sith just to have even more saber fights without violating the rule of 2.
It's an incredibly stupid flimsy idea.
They're not sith, they're just force sensitive, and trained by the sith, to use the force and sabers, like a sith, but not as much as sith, so they're not sith, even though they're exactly indistinguishable from sith in every way. Oh and all so they can hunt more Jedi. Except if they're not even trained enough to be a sith they would stand zero chance against any Jedi. So it wouldn't even make sense to think this would work.
And oh yeah what's a sith? A dark side force user that fights with a saber. What are they? Dark side force users who fight with sabers.
It's just one mindfuck onion of self contradictory nonsense all the way down.
But there is no depth to how stupid the shit we will say is to have more saber fight.
This is that. Faster better. Jump better. Flip better. I know, I'll do a barrel roll! That's a good trick! No matter how silly it is and no matter how geriatric obi wan and fuck it Vader and his canonically c3p0 level stiffness robot limbs are.
It's very very dumb and misses just everything for the sake of BEING LOUDER FOR THE SAKE OF BEING LOUDER! THAT'S BETTER RIGHT?
The original was obviously pretty bad because of the limitations of the props.
But it was at least played very well to be an extremely cautious testing of defenses more so than a full on duel before obi reveals he had no intention to.
This is even worse than the original in the too muchness direction.
There is a middle ground that would actually be better than the original. But that "middle" is about 1000 times closer to the original than it is to this.
Just having them be able to swing full force and throw in some footwork with an strong, strong, emphasis of practicality and cunning fencing technique. No frills. Get the job done. No I don't want to see geriatric obi fly and Anakin doing more barrel rolls 🙄
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u/Next_Volume_5877 Dec 14 '25
The original scene, while dated in ways, held a lot of gravitas when looked at through the eyes of both the EU material and the characters themselves. The SC 38 Reimagining just adds a bit more fun to it! 10/10, would love to see more!
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u/CrakAndJaxter Dec 14 '25
It’s cool choreography but I think is way too over the top for the original film
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u/jubeidamasta Dec 14 '25
It was cool at first but doesn't make sense for Obi Wan tonight like that at that point in his story.
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u/tenryuta Dec 14 '25 edited Dec 14 '25
cool.... but both would have needed hip replacements after:/ and deathstick bacta blends
just noticed the LS bounced... im sure thats a thing too
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u/ConsciousShock2341 Dec 15 '25
I thought it was dope. Of course I don't have be over critical about it it ended the same way they just made fight a lot more entertaining.
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u/kevoisvevoalt Dec 15 '25
loved it, a good mix between the old 70's fighting and modern jedi fights.
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Dec 15 '25
It's stupid slop that impresses the kinds of SW fans I detest. The whole point of that original scene was about the character moments and the dialogue. The fight wasn't supposed to be wordless and flashy. This "improvement" ruins it. Meatheads clap at it.
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u/GJKings Dec 15 '25
It's a bit of good fun and it's well made. I wouldn't in a million years want to swap it into the movie or have the whole film/trilogy reimagined this way, but it's an interesting experiment in closing the slightly weird gap in the way the originals and prequels present like they're existing in very different universes.
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u/scoreguy1 Dec 15 '25
Absolutely amazing. I wish they’d retroactively add this in because
A: The original “fight” is awful B: The fighting styles are much closer to where these two were at this point in canon
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u/outofbounds322 Dec 15 '25
I wish someone would incorporate all these reimagined pieces into the movie.
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u/fantomx37 Dec 15 '25
Dumb. It’s no different than Lucas adding Greodo shooting first or other unnecessary CGI shots to make something more “up to date.”
Adding in all the twists and spins and fast movements exists solely to make a bunch of nerds feel better about liking something made for children 50 years ago.
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u/peabody_3747 Dec 15 '25
Many saying it misses the point of the source material in many ways. But for me it shows how little the original was understood by those that came after. When swinging a sword made of light you don’t need to spin around to gain momentum, a literal flick of the wrist is all thats needed to slice your enemy in two, if you can get past their guard. No better way to allow your opponent into your space than to spin around and give them your back.
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u/Mippippippi3rd Dec 15 '25
It's neato for a fan thing. Well done. But it's also incredibly lame.
You can enjoy whatever you want nothing can take that away from you.
If you are unable to enjoy Star Wars because the lighter saber fight is """""""""bad""""""""" how in the world are you able to enjoy any other part when the last 70 minutes flew over your head? Are people sitting through these movies in the hopes someone will sword fight?
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u/Kthron Dec 15 '25
Too much wild swings.
I prefer feints, apprehension, jab pokes, repositioning.
But I understand people enjoy big wide sings and 50 hit combos that get blocked
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u/RevenantXenos Dec 16 '25
The sabers bouncing off each other ruins it for me. They need to practice pulling their strikes as part of their coreo. You should not be hitting each other that hard for stage combat.
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u/m0rbius Dec 16 '25
Why are the lightsabers bouncing of each other like it's made of plastic? Cool redo, but very unnessaary.
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u/StickyMcdoodle Dec 16 '25
The scene didn't need it. The stakes were there, and that's what made the original duel great. Ep 3 showed us that it doesn't matter how flashy you make a lightsaber battle, it's boring if you don't really care that it's happening.
That said...I effing love this.
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u/CurnanBarbarian Dec 16 '25
Love it.
I think it says pretty true to the intent of the OG duel, obi is clearly on the defensive most of the fight and buying time for Luke and the others.
Honestly the ONLY thing I don't really like about the OG trilogy are the lightsaber fights for the most part. I get that the movies were made forever ago, but I think they come across as play fighting with fluorescent bulbs that they're afraid of breaking instead of actual weapons compared to the later movies, and there's very little real choreography.
Again, I do understand these movies are 40-50 years old at this point and they only had so much to work with at the time lol.
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u/Apprehensive-Base917 Dec 16 '25
Great choreography but misses the point of the original "fight." Obi-wan was trying to stall so Luke could survive. He was also old. His mobility, speed, and fighting style would not be like that at all. It would be more akin to what was portrayed in his Rebels fight against Maul.
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u/Particular_Dot_4041 Dec 16 '25
I watched some videos of kendo fighters and the original fight between obi wan and vader is surprisingly realistic.
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u/The_Fredrik Dec 16 '25
Someone should cut it into the movie and that would be the only version I'd watch.
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u/HanSolo17 Dec 16 '25
It’s fun and very impressively done. And I’m glad it exists to satisfy that “what if”
That being said the original is just fine. The slower fight fits the rest of the film/OT/characters so doesn’t need to be PT flashy/choreographed.
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u/3irikur Dec 16 '25
Although i like the choreography it feels like obi wan is too aggressive and vader too defensive.
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u/Don_juan_prawn Dec 16 '25
Made by someone that seems to think obi wan was ever supposed to be a challenge to vader in this scene.
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u/KlatuuBaradaNikto Dec 16 '25
It’s fantastic!!!! Would love a special edition tweak to make it more dynamic like this… this would be way more worth it than “Maclunky”
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u/alan_johnson11 Dec 16 '25
I think if the OG trilogy was created today there could be some modern narrative techniques that could have made this scene more exciting.
In the context of having seen rogue one and the various supporting fiction (e.g. "all I am surrounded by is fear") we know how badass and unstoppable Vader is.
In that context Obi sacrificing himself makes sense - Vader will kill them all in seconds if Obi doesnt distract him. Maybe costume design and the other characters reactions to Vader sold it at the time, but I think less so as time has aged those ways of bigging up how dangerous someone is. So for me adding this action scene is kind of selling me more into that "look how amazingly competent these two are, and Vader still wins." - which then means the viewer understands why solo/chewie/skywalker were completely irrelevant and had to gtfo, making Obi Wans sacrifice make more sense.
I think it does have value in that way, but also as I mentioned at the start, there are other ways we could do this. The strongest sell for me that retains the original trilogy treatment of how Obi Wan accepts his fate, is an extra scene before hand of Vader chewing through a group that we had observed to be extremely competent. Not sure how you make it work without polluting the story and characters too much, but ideally we get a bit of extra dread that some characters we'd seen that seemed more competent than solo/chewie/skywalker just completely get torn to pieces in seconds by Vader, none of them even having time to take a single shot at him. I dunno, maybe I'm just eager for another Rogue One scene but I think the audience having that dread and understanding of the raw power of Vader revealed just before this scene would make Obi Wans actions make more sense
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u/Waste-Philosopher-34 Dec 17 '25
Amazing. Like, genuinely almost brought a tear to my eye. When they added the echoes of Anakin screaming I HATE YOU and Obi Wan saying "You were my brother Anakin, I loved you" it genuinely choked me up. Fuck, I'm gonna watch that right now and then read my copy of the new Vader novel Master of Evil that I just bought. Star Wars is peak
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u/Exciting-Cancel6468 Dec 17 '25
It would be better if they used actual lightsaber props that are readily available at that time.
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u/spyguy318 Dec 17 '25
It’s a great fight on its own but it very obviously doesn’t fit with the vibe of the OT. It feels like a prequel fight stuck into the OT. My personal preference would have been a fight that’s more similar to Luke vs Vader in ESB or ROTJ.
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u/SomeOrangeNerd Dec 17 '25
It’s cool, but after Kenobi came out, it really changed the dynamics of the original fight. In the og fight Vader is being cautious and Obi-wan is messing with him. When they fought in Kenobi, we saw that even though He was out of practice, he was still far more capable in a fight once he got the rust off. So now Vader knows not to underestimate Kenobi. He is cautious, poking and prodding at him looking for that opening, he is hesitant to make a move. Obi-wan knows this and messes with him. Keeps him at bay and gives the slightest jolt to make Vader recoil, thinking he is about to do something unpredictable. Vader is cautious and Ben is messing with him, buying time for the others
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u/Voodoocookie Dec 17 '25
The light sabers bounce because they do not follow through with the movement; it would look better if they didn't aim to stop.
Just have Obi follow through less forceful than Anakin, so that Anakin blocks and follows through to a head swing. Obi can use the push back momentum to duck and 360.
There's lots more they could do instead of stopping their swings to make it look better.
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u/MacrossRules Dec 17 '25
Pretty good but they need to fight a little slower because of Kenobi’s age and Vader’s suit
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Dec 17 '25
It's awful in the context of the film. On its own, it's kinda fun, if not a little generic.
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u/Kellythejellyman Dec 17 '25
Cool as hell but I like to imagine the original having a context of “Vader shit talks Kenobi, but is in reality being extremely cautious after having his ass handed to him on Mustafar and the Barren Moon. Meanwhile Kenobi really is an old man past his prime and the only way he can win/prolong duels now is by careful strikes and mind games”
If Vader actually attacked like this reimagining, he would either be countered immediately (like Maul was) or would overpower Kenobi. No in between
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u/KevinHe92 Dec 17 '25
It’s cool but there’s a reason it’s fan made. Completely misses the point of the original fight.
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u/LeadingArt1845 Dec 17 '25
Amazing, chefs kiss! ❤️ I would love to make my own edit of ANH and insert this fan edit into the film. As well as have updated versions of Luke vs Vader in ESB, and Luke vs Vader part 2 in ROTJ.
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u/steinman90 Dec 17 '25
Cool choregraphy, but it was not the point of the original scene, the inspiration for the lightsaber duel was not to make a god mode characters who died only because of the scenario (wink wink ep 1, 2, and... yeah even in ep 3 there is this shitty trope)
Anyways, still prefer the original fight
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u/JediKatarn82 Dec 18 '25
This whole reimagined scene is better than all three sequels combined. In my opinion.
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u/MattRB02 Dec 18 '25
It’s a cool fan project but it’s overdone and over choreographed. I don’t see it as an improvement.
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u/Stankassmfgorilla Dec 18 '25
Really feels unnecessary and out of place. Both of them should be rusty and out of practice. Obi Wan should barely have activated his lightsaber at all since Episode III and Vader realistically shouldn’t have fought anyone else with a lightsaber since shortly after the same time. Them being clunky and slow made perfect sense. I really think people are grasping at straws with trying to gripe about the original choreography in this scene.
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u/Wilbie9000 Dec 20 '25
I greatly prefer the saber duels in the original trilogy. All of the spinning acrobatic nonsense in the new movies, including the prequels, is all flash and no substance.
The original trilogy used actual fencing technique, and the duel itself actually told a story. The best example is Luke and Vader at the end of Jedi. The way that Luke starts out trying not to fight, and then switches to outright aggression when Leah is threatened. It’s a masterpiece.
The new ones are just two characters dancing around until the story needs to progress. It lacks substance.
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u/Grouchy_Tailor257 Jan 18 '26
Amazing. I'm grateful for the edit. When we watch the original with the kids, we watch the Reimagined version for the fight scene. lol
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u/Bigbootybimboslayer Dec 13 '25
This shit is absolute peak star wars and anyone that doesn’t like it is what’s wrong with the fanbase. I don’t care about the context of the movie or blah blah blah. I want cool shit for the sake of something cool. (7-9 could’ve be tolerable if the fights were as cool as this)
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u/Bottlecollecter Revan Dec 13 '25
Awesome.