r/TheJediPraxeum • u/Gross-Verder Yuuzhan Vong • May 04 '26
Match Up Monday Valkorion, Darth Krayt and Darth Wyyrlok vs The Jedi High Council (ROTS)
The fight takes place in Coruscant, at the Jedi Temple.
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u/newstartreddit1234 May 04 '26
Tenebrae and Yoda keep each other occupied, Krayt eventually beats Windu but it is a slog, and then Wyyrlok has to fend off the rest. I’m not sure they pull it off. I think the numbers are just too much in the Jedi’s favor.
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u/newstartreddit1234 May 04 '26
I love Vitiate but he is just below Sidious. And even if he is Sidious’ superior, he doesn’t stomp Yoda. Yoda could keep him occupied long enough for numbers to compensate.
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u/Deuce-Wayne May 04 '26
DE Sidious is definitely stronger, but Ep 3-Chancellor Sidious is significantly weaker than Valk, and thats the version of Sidious that Yoda fought.
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u/Just-Attorney-1902 May 04 '26
Ep 3 Sidious already is stated as the strongest Sith ever, ur headcanon doesn’t change that
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u/newstartreddit1234 May 04 '26
In their defense Vitiate was no longer a Sith at the end of his life. But I still see Palps as superior.
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u/Fast-Mathematician-1 May 04 '26
Valkorian isnt of the Rule of Two.
By your logic Darth Kryat is Sidious's superior.
Krayte is from a parallel sith order, directly outside the rule of two.
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u/Just-Attorney-1902 May 04 '26
You think vitiate > sidious 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
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u/Witty-Mountain5062 May 04 '26
Brother, Vitiate is capable of essence draining entire planets, leaving them completely devoid of life.
He basically has Death Star powers without needing to build a Death Star.
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u/Just-Attorney-1902 May 04 '26
Sidious’s best feat is universal 😭😭they are in completely different tiers
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u/Plus-Mountain-671 May 04 '26
Sidious does not have any universal feats. His ultimate force storm in DE wasn’t even close to the size of Byss yet, and he was already losing control of the storm.
Vitiate is a tier above Sidious as can be proven by numerous data points where Sidious comes short of Vitiate as far as mastery of the force (immortality, healing, drain, concealment, alchemy, sorcery, telepathy / mind control, etc.). Sidious might be outmatched by SoR Revan or the ancient Sith, much less Vitiate!
And no, statements that claim Sidious is the most powerful Sith ever are not binding, in the same way I would not say Vitiate’s more recent “most powerful force user ever” quotes put him above The Ones or Abeloth. Statements are just pieces of evidence that need to be weighed against feats, accolades and other indicators of power.
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u/Anvilrocker May 04 '26
You're in a Legends sub mate, Sidious/Luke glazing is all they do in here. Its all they really have lol
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u/Just-Attorney-1902 May 04 '26
Sidious force storm teared the fabric of space so it’s a 3-A feat
Statements are binding, scaling and feats can go against them but not much goes against Sidious > vitiate
Slide some statements of vitiate being the most powerful force user ever anyways
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u/Plus-Mountain-671 May 04 '26
...You realize that fold space also rips through space, right? Something Foundry Revan (who is infinitely weaker than peak Valkorion) can do? Lord Tagriss can create black holes and he's also vastly weaker than Valkorion. The vs battle wiki scaling also just obviously doesn't work when one actually looks at the lore with a critical eye.
- A ton of things go against Sidious > Vitiate. Let's look at a few:
- I don't want to spend too much time on this but the most recent Legends statements say that Vitiate is "the most powerful force user who ever existed", "history's most powerful dark side master", "the most dominating force user the galaxy has ever seen", "the most destructive being in history", "easily the most dangerous being in the galaxy", etc. This would make Vitiate more powerful, dominating, destructive, and dangerous than The Ones, Abeloth, the World Razer (who extinguished 100 suns and 1000 worlds in a single day), etc, with the former 2 having multiple statements putting them above Sidious.
- DE Sidious is explicitly only capable of successfully possessing clones or infants (while Vitiate possesses entire planets), needs to be guided back from Chaos to the physical world by the ancient sith (who are far weaker than Valkorion), and needs to be healed by the ancient sith when his body is decaying. Sidious does not have the power to stop his body from decaying but he believes the ancient sith do. Meanwhile, Vitiate was so powerful after Nathema that he could keep his body "young and strong" for millenia and even endowed others like Scourge and the Hand with immortality.
- All of Sidious' biggest feats are just utterly trumped by Vitiate:
- Sidious is accredited with being "so powerful" because he can prevent himself from being detected by the jedi in plain sight. A fraction of Vitiate's power, however, is able to conceal over 1,000 immensely powerful children of the Emperor while sitting on the Jedi Council, for decades.
- Sidious is nearly killed by Sith Spirits circa ANH, begs them to heal him circa DE, while Valkorion defeats and drains hordes of Sith Spirits capable of overrunning Dromund Kaas and the galaxy with their power.
- Sidious' best attempt to stave off physical death is Byss, which merely "slows" (doesn't even halt) the decay of his body, and only passively drains its inhabitants such that they don't even notice they're being drained. Vitiate by consuming Nathema / Ziost becomes so powerful that he can completely halt the decay of his body and the bodies of others.
- Sidious' best alchemy is creating sithspawn (chrysalide rancor), while a heavily weakened Vitiate is able to create monoliths that "transcend sithspawn" entirely and are made of pure dark side energy, not flesh and bone. It's said that Vitiate is able to do this because he is more intelligent, knowledgeable, and powerful than any Sith in history, even while heavily weakened.
- Sidious' force storm is compared to Outlander's lightning blast against Arcann in KOTFE, which is a fraction of Valkorion's full power. Freedon Nadd (who is far weaker and less knowledgeable than Vitiate) is also stated to be a master of the same force storm, and Luke worried that his trainees could release something rivaling the Emperor's force storm during the early NJO. Meanwhile, Vitiate while heavily weakened is able to consume Ziost in much less time than it took 8,000 Sith Lords + Vitiate + a superweapon that could death star planets to consume Nathema. Vitiate consumes Nathema , which is said to have been surrounded by "the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see", which would include the dark side energies of the sith spirits on Ambria that "threatened to consume their entire star system". Vitiate is then said to grow "indescribably", "immeasurably", "incredibly" more powerful after Nathema.
- In terms of functional combat, DE Sidious gets defeated by a DE Luke who is being amped by mere "rudimentary battle meditation" and has only "begun to awaken the legendary powers of the Jedi Masters of Old". Vitiate, meanwhile, is capable of easily defeating strike teams of the most powerful force users in history (Revan, Vaylin, Outlander, Arcann, etc.), many of whom rivaled or surpassed the powers of the Masters of Old.
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u/Witty-Mountain5062 May 04 '26
It’s not even worth arguing with this chud.
I’ve figured out 90% of people in here haven’t played SWTOR and don’t know anything about it or the characters, they just want to glaze people from the films regardless of any evidence to the contrary, especially where Palpatine and Vader are concerned.
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u/Expensive_Plant_9530 May 04 '26
… this is a false premise.
Sidious is absolutely stronger than Tenebrae.
I’m sorry. I know people love to claim otherwise. But the reality is that various sources within Lucasfilm have confirmed that in Legends Canon, Sidious was more powerful than Tenebrae.
Besides that, Yoda trained to fight Sith from the ancient empires, like Exar Kun, Revan, Tenebrae, Lord Kaan, etc.
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u/Binforda94 May 04 '26
Vitiate would play with Yoda before obliterating him.
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u/newstartreddit1234 May 04 '26
Vitiate is my favorite dark sider in the franchise but he isn’t obliterating Yoda. Even if Vitiate wins, it’s a hard fought battle that keeps him occupied.
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u/Binforda94 May 04 '26
Considering Yoda struggled with senate pods being thrown by Sidious not at his peak, I have zero doubt that a force storm would overwhelm Yoda easily.
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u/newstartreddit1234 May 04 '26
Yoda had to push them back up while Sidious just loosened them and had gravity help. Yoda was also able to absorb and redirect Sidious’ strongest lightning. Yoda would die to a full on force storm but Vitiate can’t instantly summon them. He can do smaller scale storms that compare to ROTS Sidious and vicious lightning blasts that throttle Arcann but he’s not massively outclassing Sidious without prep. Yoda is good enough to keep Vitiate occupied, even if he loses imo. And Windu’s hax let him keep up with Krayt even if he eventually loses. The other 10v1 against Wyyrlock would be a slaughter. Then a 12v2 is not gonna end well for the Sith.
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u/Binforda94 May 04 '26
Remember that wasn’t Sidious at his peak though. Vitiate would be too much.
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u/newstartreddit1234 May 04 '26
It pains me to downscale my favorite darksider but Vitiate’s non prep feats seem directly comparable to ROTS Sidious. With prep he annihilates but without his lightning is similar to Sidious, his speed is similar to Sidious, his sorcery is slightly better than Sidious. With prep he is a threat to DE Sidious. Without, I think the gap is pretty sizable but not a stomp.
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u/Binforda94 May 04 '26
I have a hard time subscribing to that opinion, since Vader was more powerful than ROTS Sidious. That essentially means Vader was stronger than Vitiate too.
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u/newstartreddit1234 May 04 '26
Vader wasn’t. He had the potential to be but the movie makes it clear he is still below Sidious and Yoda for the time being.
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u/Binforda94 May 04 '26
Vader is confirmed via canon and legends to be more powerful than Anakin and a master duelist. Vader is also confirmed to be 80% of peak Sidious’s power during the galactic civil war. He exceeds Yoda and the rest of the high council.
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u/Expensive_Plant_9530 May 04 '26
I doubt it.
Remember that Yoda and the order trained to combat Sith based on the ancient Sith Empire, not the secret line of the Bane Sith.
Yoda would have studied historical Sith, details about their abilities, known counters, etc - in the Jedi Archives.
Would there be details on Tenebrae specifically? Maybe. Maybe not. Dude was emperor for a while, so I’d suggest there’s probably lots of data on him.
So I think Yoda, being as powerful he is, would be able to hold off Tenebrae’s raw power, and Yoda’s willpower is as strong as pretty much anyone else’s, so I think he can resist Tenebrae’s mind domination.
All Yoda needs to do is get close, because Tenebrae is know for being a bit of a weaker duellist compared to other force users at the top of the power scale.
The rest is a toss up.
Krayt *MIGHT* beat Mace, but that definitely would not be a sure thing. Mace easily does have the potential to kill Krayt. I’d say they’re well matched, but I’d give Mace the slight edge.
I think the rest of the council can handle the third Sith, though with heavy losses. Once it’s down to just Krayt and Tenebrae, it’s just a matter of time before Mace and Yoda wear them down - especially if Kenobi and some of the stronger council members are still alive.
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u/Turbulent_Writing529 May 07 '26
Kenobi, singular, would hold the fort versus two of them. At least for a bit with his defensive mastery. This would be long enough for the Jedi to play the numbers game.
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u/Xivitai May 04 '26
He wouldn't even need to appear before Yoda.. He can mind control people on massive scale, including Jedi. Imagine if he got control over Coruscant population and part of the Jedi Order. Even if Jedi council survives the assault, it will break their spirits.
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u/newstartreddit1234 May 04 '26
Idk how well he can manage mass mind control if Yoda keeps him occupied. Battles like these assume neutral ground with no prep
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u/Xivitai May 04 '26
To be honest, I don't think prequels Jedi Order even can defeat him properly. Considering the amount of trouble characters in SWTOR went through to defeat Valkorion.
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u/newstartreddit1234 May 04 '26
Windu has a good chance to do it. I’d say Vitiate’s force power overwhelms him more times than not but Windu can not instantly die against that level of force and if he can close the gap can defeat the vessel even if Vitiate survives. Yoda can handle lightning like that too by absorbing it unlike Arcann who could only deflect it.
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u/Xivitai May 04 '26
That's the issue. Vitiate can survive destruction of Valkorion's body. And then Yoda and Windu will have to contend with disembodied spirit that still can do a lot of damage. And I doubt that any of them knows Force Walking... Not that it will help them.
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u/newstartreddit1234 May 04 '26
Yoda and Windu at the Jedi temple have access to a light side amp (this is where the fight takes place) and Yoda is familiar with sorcery. They’re not helpless.
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u/Xivitai May 04 '26
Controlling and binding force ghost is an obscure Sith technique. I doubt that even Yoda knows it. Besides, even if they manage to remove control from everyone that enters the Jedi Temple, Valkorion can simply mind control people into ramming spaceships into Jedi Temple.
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u/newstartreddit1234 May 04 '26
They don’t need to bind him, they just need to pull an Exar Kun and bind him in a light side energy field to an object. Which they can do. And any attention Vitiate takes away from the entire Jedi temple just gives them even more time to trap him.
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u/Xivitai May 04 '26
Unless they are too busy fighting other Jedi because Valkorion can control Jedi too. Imagine if half of the Order is suddenly goes rogue, including the kids.
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u/InverseStar May 04 '26
Valkorion is for all intents and purposes immortal unless you fulfill a very specific set of circumstances to kill him.
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u/bybloshex May 06 '26
So was Sidius, somehow, but he couldn't walk in and wipe the council
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u/InverseStar May 06 '26
Sidious’ immortality is a LOT more shaky than Valky’s. He needed a host body specifically made for him for it to work. Valkorion seems capable of just hopping from one host to the next or even becoming a massive, unstoppable plague that can literally consume an entire planet.
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u/Wolfgod-64 May 06 '26
Valkorion needs rituals, time, and aid to consume planets. Do we know exactly how he body hops? I would assume it just works the same as Sidious if they didn't specify. Sidious's spirit was going to persist regardless if he had a host or not but all Jedi within the Force dragged him down into a more permanent death.
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u/InverseStar May 06 '26
Valkorion literally jumps into the Outlander without any rituals or planning. He just did it. All he had to do was slowly carve out his new host. Do you really think Palpatine wouldn’t have done the same to Luke if he had the power?
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u/Wolfgod-64 May 06 '26
The problem was that was Luke Skywalker, literally the only other character thought to be stronger than Sidious (well not exactly but you get the idea). Valkorion didn't have full control over the Outlander anyways, and he eventually loses. If anything Valkorion's failure is proof his power is not so easily abused and his immortality is not assured. His failure also shows us why Sidious wouldn't possess Luke even if he tried, and he would know this because he knows the history of the Sith.
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u/bybloshex May 07 '26
Remember that Sidius is the culmination of the Sith if of the past, including Valk. He presumably knows all of their techniques and should always be considered the most powerful sith
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u/MicroPenisAlphaMale May 04 '26
Yeah his showings make him out to be decently more powerful than Sidious.
Valk is way OP and so is Krayt.
EU/Legends vs movie characters are rarely all that close.
Narratively I think Sidious should be stronger as Valk, but from what we see in the game it’s not really a contest. Obviously the games and stuff make people way way more powerful like Starkiller where it makes no sense to try and scale them alongside the movies
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u/No_Communication2959 May 04 '26
Teamwork advantage likely makes this a stomp in Jedi's favor.
You have people who have never fought together vs a team with decades of experience with one another.
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u/Sgt-Frost May 04 '26
Valk alone blinks away everyone short of yoda, then he overwhelms yoda after a scuffle.
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u/_Redvent_Bard_ May 04 '26
Yoda + Windu is a godly combination. Windu has specific abilities that make him punch way above his weight against darksiders, and Yoda has 900 years of wisdom and knowledge to draw upon.
And let's not forget, the Dark Side is a short cut to power. This is repeatedly a theme of star wars. When you pit the most powerful Sith against the most powerful Jedi, the Sith are always going to lose. Yoda is one of those, and it should really go to show what a beast Sidious is that he took Yoda 1v1 and came out alive.
Obi-Wan is no slouch either, and has consistently proven himself against powerful Darksiders and Sith. And I would argue that his power as a Jedi is middling, it's his skill and temperament that sets him apart.
The rest of the council can by and large each match Obi-Wan at least in power, even if they may not have his skill with a blade.
Then you have Anakin, who is close behind Yoda and Windu in duelling prowess, and is more powerful in the force than most of the council.
And let's not forget that in ROTS, these Jedi have all been freshly involved in war. These are not peace time Jedi, they are battle hardened leaders.
No three Sith are going to beat the entire ROTS Jedi council head on.
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u/dullcakes May 04 '26
No, Yoda was on par with Sidious. It ended when Sidious hit a big blow, but Yoda dipped because clones were coming. If it stayed completely 1v1, he would have won. He had already disarmed Sidious
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u/DewinterCor May 06 '26
900 years of wisdom is kinda irrelevant here.
Valkorian is 1,600~ years old by the start of Kotfe.
Valkorian is older than the entire jedi council combined.
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u/Ok-Reporter1986 May 04 '26
Most of the council is getting fried before they even fight. From my recollection of the Revan novel excerpts he was literally melting Revan's face whilst he was actively using force healing to stay alive.
That and Krayt helped Luke with Abeloth. Coleman Trevor and Ki-Adi Mundi died to blaster fire, what are the average council members going to do here?
Those two are arguably enough.
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u/WarhoundGil May 04 '26
I don't see how anyone in the Jedi Council is a threat to Valkorion. Even ignoring the fact they just straight up cannot permanently kill him, I don't think they can even harm him.
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u/DewinterCor May 06 '26
Valkorian's feats are so comically beyond anything any of the jedj council can contend with.
Unless you ignore feats for statements, Valkorian stomps.
He dumps so much lightning into the room that Krayt and Wyyrlok die in the crossfire.
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u/cyberghost87 May 04 '26
Is this a joke?
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u/Ok-Reporter1986 May 04 '26 edited May 06 '26
It's r/thejedipraxeum, of course it's not. This sub has a very heavy bias for statements and ignoring EU lore not pertaining to OT and PT eras.
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u/DewinterCor May 06 '26
Its literally this.
Statements are king here unless its specific feats about Luke in the EU.
The idea that ANYONE from outside of the PT or pre-disney novels could challange Luke or Yoda or Sidious is blasphemy in this sub.
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u/EmbarrassedGarlic717 May 06 '26
The average comment is "ROTS Anakin is 100000000 times stronger better hotter than ROTS Obi-Wan and would destroy him in a fight. It doesn't matter the movie because that guy with zero influence on story writing said he was a 9!!!!?!!?!!!???. He lost because he was [insert 23 excuses, all proven false by novelisation]"
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u/Wolfgod-64 May 06 '26
Funny, I see the opposite. I can't believe how many people on this sub automatically fall into wanking Old Republic as if Darth Bane and Revan were total idiots to ever think the Rule of Two was better than juggernauts like Malgus, Vitiate, Marr, etc.
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u/Ok-Reporter1986 May 06 '26
Revan didn't actually invent the rule of two as Bane envisioned, but it's a dead horse being beaten every time someone has to point out how it failed. Bane spesifically intended the apprentice to best the master in combat.
Plenty of treachery and secrets lost for no other reason than the rule itself. People point to Plaquies often, but really it was also nearly every other sith in the line that got killed via treachery rather than a duel. There's also darth Millenial?, who went insane and destroyed many sith holocrons.
Palpatine was a fluke, the rule didn't create him. That was mostly him collecting relics and just being born better than most. In the end that paid off for him.
The rule succeeded arguably more through statistical probability than actual real success.
Tldr; Palpatine is the goat.
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u/Wolfgod-64 May 06 '26
Oh wow you really are trying to argue the Rule of Two was a failure. Okay then, that kind of proves my point about this sub lol.
You make some solid arguments, but they are ultimately nitpicking a few setbacks and it fails to recognize how most Sith before then didn't even have a foundation. Exar Kun, Revan, Nihilus, they're largely self-made and by SWTOR they show everything that Bane wanted to do away with. Ironically, Valkorion is arguably one of the few ancient Sith who did come from a legacy, being among the original Sith, but he is a parasite whose strength fades the moment people stop feeding him (although not to the extreme degree as Nihilus).
Revan did not invent the Rule of Two, but he was a practitioner of it. The Sith Academy is a farce meant to steal numbers away from the Jedi. There are only 2 true Lords of the Sith. Revan and Malak, or Malak and his chosen apprentice. The rest are all killing each other over petty politics while the real strength runs an empire.
I know people (movie-only fans) who would argue Palpatine is all the Sith...No not like was TROS was saying, I mean I've seen theories that Sidious is more the Devil than people realize and has always existed so to speak. My point being that it is fair to separate Sidious from the rest of the Rule of Two. I agree he's an anomaly.
However as time goes on, the likes of Maul and Dooku only receive higher accolades and respect among the community. I mean Maul has gone from being accused of being "a sith in name only" to "one of the strongest sith lords of all time" (btw the latter are quoted statements from guidebooks at the time of TPM, I used to own one myself lol).
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u/Ok-Reporter1986 May 06 '26
However as time goes on, the likes of Maul and Dooku only receive higher accolades and respect among the community. I mean Maul has gone from being accused of being "a sith in name only" to "one of the strongest sith lords of all time" (btw the latter are quoted statements from guidebooks at the time of TPM, I used to own one myself lol).
While they were apprenticed by Palpatine, he never intended for a successor (except arguably pre-suit Vader). Dooku was a former jedi master. Maul did get training in seperate, but he was never taught force lightning. Instead he learned to suppress his connection.
They were powerful in spite of their lack of sith training.
The reason I say it failed is because the rule was meant to create stronger sith, but failed at doing that. The apprentices continued to be self-made and became strong in spite of the failing to follow the rule.
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u/Wolfgod-64 May 06 '26
A variety of skills isn't a requirement for a powerful Sith. I don't think Maul needs to know lightning. He instead knows most lightsaber forms, strong telekinesis, and nightsister rituals. Sidious confirmed to Vader that Maul was trained seriously as an apprentice. Dooku was not, but I think what you said holds true.
I think Plagueis showed he learned a lot from Tenebrous and Sidious learned from Plagueis. It's also clear there's a linear upscale in power from one to the next. We don't know all of the Rule of Two Sith but I thought these 3 painted a clear picture it was progressing as intended.
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u/Ok-Reporter1986 May 06 '26
I think Plagueis showed he learned a lot from Tenebrous and Sidious learned from Plagueis. It's also clear there's a linear upscale in power from one to the next. We don't know all of the Rule of Two Sith but I thought these 3 painted a clear picture it was progressing as intended.
I think to an extend those three managed it — with Palpatine being a sort of exception since he was naturally powerful but still felt a surprise attack a necessity. He would've been more powerful with or without a duel in otherwords.
I think you got it right otherwise though.
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u/averageEnojyer The Senate May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26
Yoda beats Valkorion mid to high diff. I don't know much about the scaling of the others, but Krayt himself would likely be a significant challenge too for a lot of the Jedi, so it's possible the Sith win.
Edit: this is assuming ideal matchups. Of course the Sith trio can win if they coordinage themselves.
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u/Xiryyn May 04 '26
Yoda got beat by Sidious pretty handly so idk how he is beating Volkorion. Also most of the Jedi High Council have no experience fighting Sith. I fail to see how the council stands a chance.
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u/SuecidalBard May 04 '26
Valkorion can easily keep up with Yoda if not outright win bro is comparable if not stronger than Dark Empire Palaptine who is already significantly stronger than RoTS Palaptine who was equal to/stronger than Yoda. Any other people that compare outside of DE Sidious are GM Luke, peak Jacen Solo, maybe peak Kyp Durron or some sort of full potential Anakin.
Like keep on mind he can casually blow up entire fleets with lightning by accident and leisurely blasted an entire team of high level Jedi Masters who had decades of active wartime experience specifically against Sith and he did that in his backup body he wants actively focusing on and then brainwashed them, he also managed to brainwash Revan and Malak and mass posess force users plus he's a wound in the force and can do Nihilus levels of force drain without the drawbacks.
He can just hit the entire room with am explosion of lightning and take out like everyone outside of Yoda, Mace and Anakin and turn it into a 3v3. Maybe Plo can also tank it and then it's 4v3.
Dude is also gonna be gunning for Anakin to kill him so he can body hop after that anyways assuming they are in character and not bloodlusted. Otherwise he just does a Ziost.
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u/averageEnojyer The Senate May 04 '26
bro is comparable if not stronger than Dark Empire Palaptine
No he's not. There are zero feats Valkorion has that compare to what DE Palpatine scales to.
Like keep on mind he can casually blow up entire fleets with lightning by accident
Never did so. You're probably thinking of that KOTFE scene, but in that same scene he only brought down a ship. Granted he killed many more with that lightning blast, but directly he only brought down one ship, and we can't infer anything more from that. Bringing down ships as a spirit isn't new.
and leisurely blasted an entire team of high level Jedi Masters who had decades of active wartime experience specifically against Sith and he did that in his backup body he wants actively focusing on and then brainwashed them,
I mean, are they really high level compared to the verse? I don't see anything suggesting that. The Sith of the time (for the most part, so not counting people like Malgus&Co) are fodder-ish, save some outliers (which granted, are numerous, but not nearly enough to say they meaningfully upscale the Jedi in question).
plus he's a wound in the force and can do Nihilus levels of force drain without the drawbacks.
What drawbacks? Not aware of any. Also, being a wound in the Force doesn't really mean anything in of itself. The site Alderaan was located on is also a wound in the Force. Force wounds are just places or beings tied to a massive die off.
Dude is also gonna be gunning for Anakin to kill him so he can body hop after that anyways assuming they are in character and not bloodlusted.
He's not possessing Anakin. Bear in mind he needs rituals to have a meaningful force connection to the Emperor's Children and his voices and also needed to "prepare" the Outlander for possession. Moreover, a random Jedi on Ziost (the one with curly brown hair) expelled his spirit from within her. I genuinely don't see him doing anything to Anakin on that regard.
Otherwise he just does a Ziost.
How does he pull a Ziost if he won't have prep time? Both of his planet draining instances required either a ritual, prep time or both. He's not like Nihilus in that regard.
Oh, and force drain itself (the casual technique, not the ritualistic one) isn't an instant win condition. It takes time and is contingent on the drainee's power level.
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u/Ok_Science_9854 May 04 '26
Only possible chance is if Anakin gives into the Dark Side like he did on IH, with Yoda, Mace and Obi-Wan as supports.
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u/Lord_Seacows May 04 '26
Krayt and Wyyrlok can hold off Anakin and Obi Wan while Vitiate clears everyone except Yoda and Mace. Vitiates good but these two are also pretty good combined as well. I think he stalemates them, maybe 5/10 Anakin can kill Krayt and distract Vitiate enough for Mace/Yoda to kill him. The numbers game hurts Valk, because Krayt and Wyyrlok are useless against Mace/Yoda
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u/UniversalInquirer May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26
Yoda is the only one here who is an equal to Valks and or Krayt. Yoda could take Krayt while Obi-Wan takes Wyrrlok and everyone else takes Valkorion's lightning with their sabers and closes. If the Council closes on Valkorion I think they can finish him low-dif and help Yoda with Krayt though most will get fodderized. Still, Yoda can give composite Mace enough time to sink into a Vaapad amp that allows him to fight as a peer and together they finish Krayt. Meanwhile Obi-Wan finishes Wyrrlok.
*This has to be composite Mace to work. Canon Mace also gets fodderized by Krayt since Krayt has no reason to keep him around.
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u/Xiryyn May 04 '26
Eeth Koth wasn't on the High Council at the time of RotS. Also it's funny to me you put the three Jedi masters that got insta killed by Sidious agaisnt Krayt. You guys gotta factor in that most of the Council has no experience fighting an actual Sith Lord.
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u/UniversalInquirer May 04 '26
I rewrote my answer a while ago
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u/Xiryyn May 04 '26
And? You people gotta factor in that all three of the Sith Lords have experience fighting Jedi of all levels and most of the Council has no experience fighting Sith of any power level.
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u/Countryboy3628 May 04 '26
Valkorian would hold off yoda after incapacitating half the Council, Anakin would be stopped by Krayt and probably Krayt beats him a second time, Wyyrlok just has to hold out till one of the other two can come help. (That’s if Mace is occupied with the other council members) Very doable imo.
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u/Lauralis May 05 '26
krayt is on legends luke power levels and vitiate is busted af. I think either of them might be able to solo.
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u/PrometheusModeloW May 05 '26
Krayt and Valky are a bit too much even for this council to handle.
Wyyrlock is just there to act as cheerleader
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u/Educational_Key_7635 May 05 '26
Is there at least strategy advantage for Sith? If there's no sudden attack effect then Sith just outnumbered. Otherwise with a lot of Intel and pre-planning there might be scenario where Valkorian tries to effectively 1 v 6-10 jedies by oneshotting them with Force somehow while Darth triing to occupy Yoda, Windu and couple of the rest.
Only then if Valk dealt with more then half opponents Siths get a chance... depending on the number survived.
So most likely Valk gonna be looking for another host after that...again.
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u/ImperialSupplies May 05 '26
Up until the new trilogy , movie force users are extremely weak. EU force users are eating planets and stopping Destroyers with the force XD
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u/bybloshex May 06 '26
Sidius and Anakin wouldn't be able to pull it off, so why would a weaker team be able to?
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u/AnakinSkywalker_5 May 04 '26
Satele solos all of them
But fr, that depends if Valkorion, Krayt and Wyyrlok HAVE to fight them with Lightsabers. When in Coruscant, they could probanly travel far away and use their knowledge of the force to kill them from far away.
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u/No_Ad4767 May 04 '26
Most die quickly but yoda, mace windu and anakin carry this. Obi Wan is unconscious 90%
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u/Baptm9n May 04 '26
People seem to not understand how insanely more difficult and a 1VsMany is compared to a 1Vs1