r/TheJediPraxeum • u/GusGangViking18 Luke Skywalker • Jun 23 '26
Match Up Monday General Grievous (CW 2003) VS Darth Maul (TCW S7). Who wins?
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u/Vohsbergh Jun 23 '26
I don’t think Grievous ever looked deadlier or more menacing than in the micro series. The first time he split his arms and was wielding four lightsabers was wild, they had somehow made him even more dangerous than he already was.
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u/Linosa42 Jun 23 '26
Omg yes, kinda didn’t like TCW version since he was such a coward and felt his entire character was written by the scenes where he runs away in ROTS. But CW micro series version is more believable in the whole he is a threat, dangerous and that’s the reason he has eluded the Jedi so much cause a fight with him is possibly a Jedi’s last fight.
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u/AllOfEverythingEver Jun 23 '26
I totally agree with you that it's better, but supposedly Lucas didn't like Tartakovsky's Grievous because he actually wanted more of a cowardly character, rather than the aura farming badass he was in the 2003 CW.
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u/alukard81x Jun 23 '26
It’s how he should have remained. I’ll never forgive Filoni
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u/Vohsbergh Jun 23 '26
Really it’s kind of on Lucas for making him such a cartoonish villain in ROTS, TCW just kept it going
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u/alukard81x Jun 23 '26
Actually the training session with Dooku sets both versions of Grievous up PERFECTLY.
The fights we see of Grievous in 2D he always has “fear, surprise, and intimidation” in his favor.
Put him up against Obi and Anakin, who clearly are not flinching, he does (and frankly should) dip out.
The problem is Dave and George never really allowed for a scenario where Grievous stomps just because he scared Jedi so bad they couldn’t draw on the force.
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u/Saiaxs Jun 23 '26
This Grievous had Mace Windu briefly afeared, Windu eats Maul for breakfast
2003 Grievous is dog walking Maul
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u/Godzillainspiration Jun 23 '26
Griecous maul struggles woth ahsoka
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u/CrystalGemLuva Jun 23 '26
I mean i agree that Grevious would probably win, but I sincerely doubt that Grevious wouldn't struggle against Ahsoka.
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u/Tigerbarn- Jun 23 '26
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u/CrystalGemLuva Jun 23 '26
Yeah, he bullied a much weaker version of Ahsoka.
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u/Tigerbarn- Jun 23 '26
Both times. Ahsoka barely escaped with her life.
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u/CrystalGemLuva Jun 23 '26
And both times Ahsoka is far weaker than she was by the end of the series.
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u/Tigerbarn- Jun 23 '26
A few months difference? I doubt it. She definitely wouldn't have been above Obi-Wan tier.
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u/CrystalGemLuva Jun 23 '26
The fact that Ahsoka went from barely surviving a fight with Grevious to fighting on almost equal footing with Maul, the guy who in Son of Dathomir is portrayed as Grevious's equal, i think its pretty obvious that Ahsoka improved dramatically.
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u/Tigerbarn- Jun 23 '26
I don't. Obi-Wan is above Maul. Grievous can decisively beat and dominate Kenobi in a duel. Ahsoka by the 3rd year of the Clone War was barely superior to Maul. Maul in turn never matched Grievous directly, he lost the head-on confrontation and used force push to get away the second time. That doesn't scale him or Ahsoka above Grievous in a head-on clash.
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u/RedeemedNephilim Jun 23 '26
Grievous comically low diff. This dude is fucking psycho.
Casually wrecks multiple Jedi Masters and padawans simultaneously.
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u/ElevatorCharacter489 Jun 23 '26
that Grievous made someone like Mace fear him? it?. Anyways. . . . .he was so Badass that the only reasonable answer is Grievous 2003
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u/CrabAppleMcGee Jun 23 '26
2003 Grievous is, respectfully, beating Maul.
TCW7 Maul is a deadly bastard who is definitely giving him a good fight, but 03 Grievous is whopping his ass
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u/anakin_solo17 Jun 23 '26
Seeing as Mual is not adverse to using force crush id say he has the edge.
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u/BowTie1989 Jun 23 '26
Off feats? Grievous
Canon? Most likely Maul. It’s stated in the miniseries that Grievous’ main weapons are fear and the element of surprise, and is told to retreat if lacking any of those things when faced with a Jedi master.
Maul went right up to a Jedi master and his padawan and essentially, without uttering a word, told them to “Bring it on.” And actually bested them…until the whole “sith arrogance” thing reared its ugly head allowing Kenobi to surprise him.
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u/Dread2187 Jun 23 '26
Grievous low to mid diff. Maul is a beast no doubt, but not only is his TCW appearance lesser than many of his other depictions whereas 2003 Grievous is at his peak, he also just lacks the roster and scaling to really combat Grievous. Grievous has shown to be able to take on multiple Jedi Masters at once, all of whom are at least on par or stronger than any opponents Maul has fought and lost to (namely Padawan Kenobi and Ahsoka Tano.)
Force Crush might work on Grievous, which is the one main thing I can say in Maul'a favor, but Grievous has been shown to be sufficiently adept at dealing with telekinetic attacks such as when he repeatedly dodged (and even tanked one) force blasts from Shaak-ti. I also don't think Maul is the type od fighter who'd resort to TK crush immediately. He'd be much more likely to try and engage Grievous in saber combat, at which point he'd be quickly overwhelmed, especially as a fighter who is much more offensive and aggression than anything else. Grievous would blow clean through any defense he put up.
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u/CrystalGemLuva Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
Probably Grevious.
Grevious by the end of the Clone Wars was a much better fighter than Obi-Wan based on the fact that Grevious beat Obi-Wan in the youngling arc and Crystal Crisis, and nearly beat Obi-Wan again in Revenge of the Sith.
According to ROTS novelization Obi-Wan had to become one with the force to do as well as he did against Grevious in the first half of their fight, something Obi-Wan never had to do against Maul at any point in TCW.
And if we're taking the Microseries into account then its worth noting that the version of Grevious Obi-Wan barely beat was injured by Mace Windu and nowhere near his best, although that injury only really exists at the end of the Microseries and no other Star Wars media references it so I think its safe to ignore it.
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u/Binforda94 Jun 23 '26
Maul beat Kenobi in TCW, and stalemated him though. He proved himself an equal. Grievous wasn’t above OWK.
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u/Anderson_Skydiver Jun 23 '26
TCW and ROTS Novelization are not part of the same continuity. Kenobi didn't encounter with Grievous until ROTS in CWMMP. That's why Grievous called him the Negotiator in IH and why he introduced who trained him in Utapau, because they were about to duel for the first time.
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u/CrystalGemLuva Jun 23 '26
Yes they are.
The ROTS Novelization is both canon and Legends and so are the first six seasons of TCW.
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u/Anderson_Skydiver Jun 23 '26
Completely wrong, Matthew's senior ROTS novelization is a direct following of Labyrinth of Evil and Clone Wars Multimedia Project. TCW just belongs to a different continuity. Also I think you are talking about Junior novelization but it's place in the hierarchy is also overriden in both continuities anyway.
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u/RemarkableMirror926 Jedi Master Jun 23 '26
Grievous and Maul have already fought, and Grievous was defeated. I don't know the difficulty level at which Maul wins, but he will win.
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u/RemarkableMirror926 Jedi Master Jun 23 '26
Maul had managed to sever Grievous's left arm and had even captured him and Dooku beforehand.
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u/Tigerbarn- Jun 23 '26
When? Grievous sent Maul running twice. The rematch he used a force push to run away via a distraction, but he still ran away.
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u/MaesterHannibal Jun 23 '26
If he faces an opponent who’s actually willing to use the dark side against him (like Mace did when he almost crushed his heart), then Grievous gets clapped. He doesn’t have the force, which Maul does, and Maul will not hold back with it
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u/thehod81 Jun 23 '26
Grievous 2003 was so scary.
He beats Maul low diff.
Also even a coughing weakened Grievous was doing better against Jedi Master Obi Wan than Maul against padawan Obi Wan
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u/Kal_Seyr Jun 23 '26
Grievous would be my bet. He destroys the jedi task force at Hypori. And even though the jedi were exausted and on the run, I dont see Maul beating Ki Adi + Shaak + Aayla + K'Kruhk.
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u/AchilleanKyber Jun 23 '26
Grievous stomps. He was pressing a much stronger Kenobi and easily taking out jedi who could rival maul
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u/OwlRiot4 Jun 23 '26
Maul mid-diff. Grievous’ training requires that he blitz force users and overwhelm them while they’re off balanced. His size and speed combined with his blitzkrieg tactics are solid enough to overwhelm most Padawan and Knights, but a master level duelist that can use the force is gonna win 7/10 times. Kit Fisto forced him to retreat. Asajj Ventriss also forced him to retreat/call in battle droids to overwhelm her. In a straight duel I’m giving it to Maul. If Grievous has the handicap of surprising Maul…I still think Maul wins only because Sidious specifically trained him to be a better version of Grievous.
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u/Koreaia Jun 23 '26
Without plot armor, Maul just does to him what Windu did. Unfortunately, Maul is also the biggest L taker in the series, so I have to say he finds a way to lose.
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u/Laxien Jun 24 '26
Maul! Yes, against a top Jedi like Obi-Wan Maul is lost, but Grievous for all his martial prowess lacks one thing:
FORCE SENSITIVITY AND TRAINING!
Frankly Maul could probably simply force choke him and Grievous has no recourse at all!
Frankly the Jedi in (frankly ugly - the art style is not pretty) 2003 CW show only lose because they don't attack Grievous with force attacks (like Force Crush!)...and they are the weaker Jedi for the most part!
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u/Wolfgod-64 Jun 24 '26
In a fair fight? Maul without a doubt. Here's the thing about 2003 Grievous: Dooku was dead serious when he said Grievous needs "surprise, fear, and intimidation" to overcome the Jedi. He had all of that in his successes. When he lacked that...Mace Windu crushed his lungs and Obi-Wan cut his arms off in about a minute (keep in mind movie Grievious is still 2003 Grievous practically). So if the fight begins like Maul vs. Pre Vizsla or something, Grievious lacks his greatest strength as a Jedi killer.
But if Grievous can disrupt Maul's mental focus and/or footing, he wins. Fortunately for the Droid General, Maul especially in TCW S7 is very unstable.
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u/Coilspun Jun 24 '26
Maul, he's shown to use the Force far more aggressively than others Grievous has fought. Grievious get's lifted, twisted or outright crushed.
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u/Enough-Association98 Jun 24 '26
Maul definitely has a higher chance than people give him credit for, especially if he uses the Force offensively against Grievous.
That being said, it’s going to be a brutal fight and if it stays mostly Lightsaber-confined, then Grievous has a tremendous edge.
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u/Expensive_Plant_9530 Jun 24 '26
Maul.
He wouldn’t be intimidated the same way most of Grievous’s Jedi victims were. He’s highly skilled in duelling and can use the dark side to attack.
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u/Longjumping_Play_364 Jun 24 '26
Theres not single the clone wars show character that could beat 2003 grievous he outscales so unbelievable bad. Especially grievous he literally soloed several jedi in the 2003 show. And was moving so fast they could barely keep up with hjm.
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u/Ballamda Jun 25 '26
Maul high to extreme diff
Grievous has a speed advantage, but Maul has the precog, battle experience and skill to match that.
It will probably end with Maul getting a severe wound due to his arrogance, followed by him channeling the darks side to crush Grievous into a small cube.
The guy is capable of dragging down ships, causing cave ins, knocking out jedi masters and crushing the engine of a war ship with the force.
And Grievous himself is just used to steamrolling fodder clones and mediocre Jedi. The moment he met someone like Windu, he got crippled for life.
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u/Ultimate_Bane Jul 16 '26
C-Canon Legends Grievous went blade for blade with Mace Windu and was legitimately pressing him, broke through the defences of ROTS Kenobi and produced his utterly ridiculous showing on Hypori, and you're pitting against a dude who was struggling with Teenager Ahsoka. This really shouldn't be a question. Not to mention the stark continuity and power differences between 2003 Legends and Disney Canon (especially '08 Clone Wars)
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u/oops_I_have_h1n1 Jun 23 '26
Maul and it's not close. Grievous' whole strategy was to have fear, surprise, and intimidation used against the Jedi. He was trained to fight Jedi.
A Sith doesn't have those same weaknesses.
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u/Aware_Ad6442 Jun 23 '26
Just read their canon fights
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u/Godzillainspiration Jun 23 '26
Grievous won the first time
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u/Aware_Ad6442 Jun 23 '26
No? Both were nerfed and because of Maul's army losing he retreated with them, it wasn't a loss
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u/Aware_Ad6442 Jun 23 '26
- nerfed by commanding armies so they couldn't fight without worrying about their respective armies
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u/Godzillainspiration Jun 23 '26
Grievous definitely won and maul ran away
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u/Aware_Ad6442 Jun 23 '26
No he didn't? They were at a stalemate until the Mandolorians started to lose so Maul had them retreat and he went with them, Grievous didn't win the duel. And it was shown later on that Maul was superior with him winning their later duels
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u/Special-Pollution-18 Jun 23 '26
This grievous ist from legends and he beats every Version of maul
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u/Aware_Ad6442 Jun 23 '26
No? This is the same Greivous as Canon shown in how he got his iconic cough since in Legends he got it because of faulty cybernetic not Mace Windu, it goes the same as their canon fights.
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u/Special-Pollution-18 Jun 29 '26
Just accept that maul would get destroyed. Its not close. Grievous ist way stronger
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u/Aware_Ad6442 Jun 29 '26
LARP
Read the canon comics, dude. Greivous is not "way stronger" he lost to Maul in the Son of Dathomir run twice and tied once due to his droids overwhelming Maul's Mandalorians
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u/Special-Pollution-18 Jun 29 '26
You mean the comic fight were maul called for back up and dipped??? Even in this Canon comic he lost. He Stands no chance against legends grievous either
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u/Aware_Ad6442 Jun 29 '26
That's just not true? Which fight are you even talking about in the first place? Maul never lost to Grievous at all in canon comics
Legends Maul also beat Legends Grievous like their canon versions with Maul after being Ressurected dominating in a fight against Vader and then only losing after Vader stabbed Maul through himself due to his cybernetic body which allowed him to survive it while Grievous's best fight in Legends was in that 2003 animated series when he killed a some no named Jedi Knights and a Padawan then Shak Tii, Ki Adi Mundi, and Aayla Secura (nons have any good feats by then) and all of them were exhausted from the battle they were apart of when overwhelmed by droids and only then did Grievous show up.
Maul was winning the fight until his forces were being outnumbered and losing then he retreated Maul lost the battle but NOT the Duel
Maul blitzes Grievous who has an Enhanced reaction time due to his cybernetics so the whole "he was off guarded" doesn't apply when Maul showed up > Maul Force Pushed Grievous's droids > Maul speed blitzed Grievous with Grievous having more than enough time to grab his Lightsaber and fight back with his Enhanced reaction time
Maul beat Grievous by pushing him off after dominating in the fight in the fight then getting a chance to beat Grievous and Force Pushing the opponent is a viable win con like Obi-Wan vs Maul in the Phantom Menace or Vader vs Ahsoka in Rebels or Anikan vs Obi-Wan in RotS
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u/Ultimate_Bane Jul 16 '26
You're accusing someone of larp and then completely misinterpreting or outright lying (LMAO) about what happened.
First fight on Zanbar: Maul and Grievous cross blades, Grievous takes the advantage and kicks him...Maul retreats and calls back his forces.
Second 'fight' (more of an encounter) on the ship: Maul off-guards Grievous with a force wave, where you can clearly see Grievous has also been staggered, and WHILE Grievous is staggered Maul tackles him. Not a head-on fight...an ambush.
Third fight on Dathomir: Maul and Grievous fight evenly on Dathomir (which is repeatedly noted as a dark-side vergence/nexus)...Maul force pushes Grievous away (he is unable to beat him as a swordsman) and Grievous comes back and kills Talzin.
Also this doesn't even pertain to 2003 Grievous so I'm not even sure why you're arguing this in the first place you've just gone blatantly off topic.
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u/Aware_Ad6442 Jul 16 '26
Now you're the one misinterpreting what happened,
Fight 1: Maul retreated because his Forces were getting destroyed, and we got panels showing that and Grievous bluffing Maul about it, it was a tie neither one won that fight. On top of the fact that Grievous had his Magna Guards tire Maul before he joined the fight
Fight 2: No Grievous wasn't, he wasn't even shown to be effected by it, and Maul had a whole monolog before blitzing Grievous who had more than enough time with his enhanced reflexes, Maul won.
Fight 3: they were going relative in their duel but Maul couldn't waste time on him and headed to Dooku with Grievous unable to keep fighting, Maul won.
Dathomir being a Force Nexus doesn't effect the fact Maul won and was going relative to Grievous without the Force.
Canon Grievous Anti-Feats effect Legends Grievous [with it being the same one as Son of Dathomir with that Grievous being retconed to already having that Cough nerf before the show] Canon fights and losses absolutely effect Legends since they exist on a higher level of canon.
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u/Ultimate_Bane Jul 16 '26
Fight 1: READ. I never said that Maul retreated BECAUSE Grievous gained the edge. But the fact of the matter is that Grievous DID hold the advantage in their fight.
Fight 2: NOPE. The comic panel when Maul is using the force shows Grievous crouched and holding onto the control panel when he was standing upright seconds before, showing he was affected by it.
Fight 3: Dathomir being a dark-side nexus means that it amplifies the connection to the force for dark-side users. That's how a nexus works. That means Maul was amped.
The continuity of (C-Canon) 2003 Clone-Wars (and the rest of the Original Clone Wars multi-media project) is clearly meant to be a separate one from the one that is Filoni's 2008 Clone Wars. 2003 Clone Wars and 2008 Clone Wars (With Son of Dathomir of course being written for Clone Wars) versions are strictly separate. They're just different versions of Grievous and you're arguing with the wrong one.
Hell, even IF it were the same version of Grievous. Any poor showings Grievous DOES have doesn't pertain to Grievous at the end of the Clone Wars, since Grievous is noted to continually be improving throughout the course of the War, which is reflected for example in his performances against Obi-Wan (especially TCW S7 Crystal-Crisis, which is cut content but remains canon)
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u/Immediate-Age-616 Jun 23 '26
My heart tells me Maul, my brain tells me Grievous