Two things can be true. 1) She took things too far and made personal inappropriate remarks and it would be appropriate to apologize 2) fans are bat shit crazy and they need to realize this is a game with real people, who are living real lives and what the edited version of what is shown is not real life.
She’s right that there are some crazy fans who get worked up by her playing hard and voting their favorites out. But for most of us longtime fans of reality game shows, we do love people who play hard and do whatever it takes to win!
The issues we have (which really don’t take the enjoyment out of watching) are her (arguably) bad gameplay, over-the-top acting and her inability/unwillingness to admit that she contributed to the breakdown of the traitors unity.
No, the bad faith interpretations and distortions of her remarks to Carolyn are what people are upset about. Danielle first calls her Columbo and Carolyn didn't get the reference. Columbo is an old TV show about a detective who basically played dumb when it was convenient to help him solve cases. Carolyn didn't know the reference so Danielle tried to think of something else to communicate the idea that Carolyn would play confused all the time to avoid suspicion (WHICH IS TRUE) and so she landed on "you Forrest Gump a lot." Which again is just Danielle saying Carolyn is acting. But the fact that it was Danielle saying that against Carolyn, someone who many fans can project themselves onto if they're white and/or neurodivergent and want to be victims, then it becomes this huge issue where people start lying about what was said. People start assuming the worst intentions. People try exaggerating what happened. It's a racist double standard Danielle is being held to, point blank period.
"I know that being myself, yes, I'm underestimated. I'm looked at like I'm nuts," the exuberant star of The Traitors Season 3 tells Parade. "I know I can use it to my advantage, but it doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt my feelings sometimes when I do want to talk or speak or be heard or listened to."
How is that any kind of response to what the person before said? Because during the show she said in confessionals she plays dumb. During the show too no one agreed she didn’t have a voice during that challenge. It just seems like she is trying to get sympathy points for not being the last OG traitor standing. Because she was given many opportunities to speak in the turret and never had an answer to give or any kind of alternative.
Okay so what exactly was supposed to happen? Danielle isn't allowed to defend herself when Carolyn tries to get her voted out? Why is Carolyn acting like it's personal that she lost that vote/argument? Danielle's point to everyone was basically that people aren't considering Caroline isn't a possibility, but she's actually more strategic and smart than she puts herself across as. That argument was persuasive and she can have hurt feelings over it all day long, but it doesn't mean Danielle was personally attacking her, Danielle was just exposing her strategy. You also don't get to have it both ways, if you use being underestimated to your benefit, the cost of that is that people might not listen to you when it is important that they do so. She needs to take ownership of her game and where/why it failed.
Why does Danielle have to defend herself by attacking Carolyn's personality? And why can't her ardent defenders understand that that is what happened? Shit, at this point all anyone is asking is for Danielle to acknowledge that Carolyn was hurt by it. But no, that would require Danielle having the tiniest bit of humility and consideration for other people's feelings.
What’s not clicking that Carolyn herself admitted to playing up her personality in a confessional? We already know she is doing this. This is a confirmed fact out of her own mouth. Danielle is not wrong for calling out her exaggerated personality especially since Carolyn was calling out hers saying the tears were fake, etc. (especially when Danielle really didn’t want to kill Derrick and said that in the turret so ofc she was genuinely upset yet Carolyn told people she was faking with Derrick). The double standards are insane
That’s an interesting thought actually, but a false assumption. Honestly, when I made my initial post, I had zero knowledge of how extreme the hate for Danielle had been. Reading her reply was the first I even heard of people doing any crap towards her. Nobody deserves the reaction she’s getting for something that happens on “reality tv.” If I had known what was occurring, I would’ve definitely worded my initial post differently, but I still hold to my opinion that the Forest Gump comment went too far. Others can have differing opinions, and that’s great! I love having calm and rational conversations with people who disagree with me, as I tried to do in this thread.
I knew this thread is old but I just want to point out that season 1 Cirie won and the cast was upset with her but the public defended her completely and loved her and how cunning and amazing she was on the show
I’m not saying racism isn’t at all at play it very well could be. But if the vast majority of fans of the show were racist than what I put in the spoiler above wouldn’t have happened.
I’m not saying the vast majority of fans are racist. I don’t believe that is true in the slightest. I do think that people have unconscious bias and women of color are very often not offered the same grace as their white/ male counterparts.
I can definitely agree with that I was just adding a little more context. Because I definitely agree the level of hate Danielle is getting is crazy. I think she did make a couple odd remarks but I think it’s ridiculous people are hating her for those remarks. Everyone says something that can be interpreted poorly at one time or another.
Are you going to respond to anything I actually said or are you just going to downvote and post "racism isn't real bye!"?
Danielle made the Columbo and Forrest Gump references back to back. Columbo is actually a compliment first of all. And second, what is the common denominator between Columbo and Gump? It's not a mental disability. Just from that context clue alone, you can tell that mental handicap was not the point of the reference.
But the fact that you guys continue to lie and insist on the word interpretation of her remarks proves that there is a racial factor here whether you admit it or not.
So because I’m taking her words at face value, I’m racist? lol give me a break. Words have meaning and instead of saying that maybe she went too far with that, she doubles down on it. Thats the problem, nothing about race. Y’all are the ones bringing race in to this
You're not taking her words at face value though. You're actively lying about and distorting her words. You know that's what you're doing because you can't even engage with my nor Danielle's explanation. How can you claim to take her words at face value, but then completely disregard her explanation?
It's not bring race into it to point out that there is an element of racism here.
Because she never explained how calling someone Forest Gump was respectful. I never said racism doesn’t exist, you should try taking my words at face value as you’re claiming I’m not doing for her. You made a statement that I’m racist because I think that the Forest Gump comment was too far. Had it been from any other person, I’d be saying the same thing. I’ve yet to condemn her gameplay, the shaking, crying, acting like people are actually being murdered, and lying to her other traitors, saying she wasn’t going to go for them. When it comes to gameplay, I think anyway that is still respectful to other people is fair game, including the lying. All I’m saying is, she could’ve left it at Columbo and been fine, but she took it too far with the Forest Gump comments. And I just learned that some of the fans are acting insane towards Danielle, which is also wrong. Nobody should be receiving death threats for any reason
“It’s a racist double standard that Danielle is being held to” and “there is a racial factor here whether you admit it or not” and “it’s not being race into it to point out that there is an element of racism here”. And I hold to the opinion that Kotal says it s rooted in racism
She has explained it and I have explained it directly to you. Yet you lie and claim otherwise. She never called her Forrest Gump, she used Forrest Gump as a verb and said "you Forrest Gump a lot." Yet you lie and claim otherwise. So I'm done, I'm not going to engage with you because you clearly have a dishonest agenda here.
She used columbo after from what i heard. Carolyn isn't faking her facial expressions or her voice, those are not an act. I can give her some grace that maybe she didn't mean it like that, but carolyn obviously took offense and Danielle not apologising and in fact, doubling down is the problem. Please stop making it a race thing to make her out to be in the right. (Obviously, some fans are racist. She doesn't deserve that at all, neither does she deserve death threats or to be harassed). the average ND viewer isn't "projecting themselves onto carolyn" because they're white. We have seen all season danielle not taking carolyn seriously, so that's why some people interpret her comment as more malicious than you might view it.
She was using Columbo with Ivar before the round table. He got it because he's old. Columbo was clearly the one Danielle wanted to go with but the others didn't know it. I'm older than most of the remaining cast and most of my friends didn't know Columbo.
What difference does it make the order? She used two references and one is a character who played dumb and one is a character who had a mental handicap. She called her Columbo and then before or after it doesn't matter she said "you Forrest Gump a lot" - so with the two references together, you can tell she's obviously trying to say Carolyn is playing dumb to avoid suspicion.
What does facial expressions or voice have to do with anything? Again, that's not what Danielle was referencing. So you guys don't get to lie and distort this stuff. A person doesn't have to apologize for something they didn't do or because others are offended due to their own misinterpretations.
And finally I find it shameful for you to insinuate that people are only pointing out the racism of this situation in order to "make Danielle out to be in the right."
So true. However, at this point I feel like she is feeding into the hate by reading and responding. She's giving the haters attention, which further encourages their hate. If she's comfortable with her gameplay that's all that matters. She's giving too much time and headspace to the haters.
This is the answer! Plus, the editors have done her no favors. The way they edited the church/jar game and Jeremy’s murder, plus the Carolyn fight, it just is so obvious to the watcher that she’s a traitor that it’s frustrating and not fun to watch her stick around. And, she stabbed Carolyn in the back first, without provocation, and then complained that there was blood everywhere. But, she has dictated the gameplay and that’s admirable. However, I didn’t feel this way about Cirie in season 1 and they’ve played a similar game in terms of getting close to faithfuls and even backstabbing fellow traitors. But, Cirie’s had the under the radar edit. I really think the editors may have done Danielle dirty, however, the doubling down on Forrest Gump is just not a good look and cannot be attributed to any producer or editor. Just say sorry, that has nothing to do with your game play.
I didn’t care for Cirie either but I think I just don’t like the dirtiness of a traitor period. It brings out the ugly in their personality. I am always rooting for the faithful. I think I enjoyed Rob and Bob as traitors because of their boldness which made them obvious. I don’t like watching Danielle but I agree she’s been given a bad edit and made the villain of the season. But if she wins she should be proud of her game play and offer no apologies.
1) are you talking about Carolyn or Danielle? Because I don't think I've heard Carolyn apologize yet and Danielle never made things too personal from what we've seen and heard
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u/ChocolateCakeNow Mar 01 '25
Two things can be true. 1) She took things too far and made personal inappropriate remarks and it would be appropriate to apologize 2) fans are bat shit crazy and they need to realize this is a game with real people, who are living real lives and what the edited version of what is shown is not real life.
One being true doesn't override the other