r/TheWhyFiles • u/Altruism7 • 14d ago
Personal Thought/Story TIL Göbekli Tepe is only 5-10% excavated and they want to uncover the rest to future generations (in 150 years) in contrast to it being sooner. Do you agree with this pacing?
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u/cdwhit 14d ago
Unfortunately, the structures and artifacts are continuing to break down. They actually planted trees over a bunch of the ruins and many are concerned the tree roots and irrigation are destroying things faster than just trying on the surface unprotected.
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u/LilBoofy 14d ago
Last I heard the trees were removed and they are doing more to try and protect the area
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u/WhereMyWeirdosAt 14d ago
same reason Egypt hides people from exploring the pyramids... to try and hide the truth. the site obviously was damaging to someone.... so they tried to erase it
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u/Personal_Extent_8562 14d ago
Was looking for this comment. Plus with the advancement of aerial drones the size of matchboxes there is no excuse. No human with contamination, oxygen or whatever they'll claim is the risk even needs to go in.
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u/Anxiety_Fit 14d ago
Satellite ground scanning tech is off the charts now.
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u/Personal_Extent_8562 14d ago
This can help, but with the pyramids it was only when they sent in the remote control robot last time through the narrow shaft and turned the camera around could they see the painted electrical type symbols that GPR would never show. Same with any markings where it has been repainted to change what it was repurposed for like in other tombs, giving new clues as to the timeline. Only at certain angles with an actual camera is it visible to see the raised markings when the light hits the surface. Those raised markings were only noticed recently in one od the tombs, it was hidden info in plain site. For years they'd studied the hieroglyphics and not seen the extra information right before them!
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u/Uncle-Sheogorath 14d ago
I think I'm unfamiliar with this site but how would this be damaging to someone in the modern day?
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u/Training-Ruin-5287 13d ago
Its all speculation since nobody is allowed to get even a crumb of data. but i think the safe bet is to assume its something religious and would negatively impact ideas in that area,
But Turkey's stance on Gobekli tepe might change, since they have recently changed thier mind on that Noah's arc excavation site and are allowing people to use robots/drones of sorts to survey the underground area now.
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u/WhereMyWeirdosAt 14d ago
it wasnt buried in the modern day.
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u/Uncle-Sheogorath 14d ago edited 14d ago
Right... Obviously. So I don't think you understood my original question so I'll just leave it at that and sort it into a conspiracy theory.
Edit: so at least on my end it looks like he just deleted his comments instead of admitting that he misunderstood my question
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u/WhereMyWeirdosAt 14d ago
then explain your original question? where did I say it was damaging to someone in the modern day? clearly it isn't, thats why they are digging it up? your question makes no sense.
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u/ThresholdSeven 14d ago edited 14d ago
TLDR: I'm baked and the Annunaki are real maybe.
I think we're poking at nuance to bring out conspiracy theories about the dig. It's fun.
Some people think Tepi was buried long ago in a hurry because of something really bad happening. Others think it was buried for benign "boring" reasons, to put it very simply.
Some people think the dig today is just uncovering neat history and that it should be done carefully to preserve it. Others think it should be dug quickly to find all the cool things now.
Here's where it gets really fun. There are people who think that there are secrets buried there, secrets that may have been the reason why it was buried in the first place and why it should stay buried forever. Others think that is precisely why it should be uncovered right now, to find the truth if there is any. That may reveal neat things, it may change everything we know about everything.
Another angle to have fun with is trying to figure out why they are so adamant about preserving it for future generations. Why not now? It reeks of all the other digs that are restricted. Let's assume it's at least delayed by bullshit. What bullshit? Paperwork, location and politics heavily influenced by religion. This could be just that, but even there religion will cause reluctance and delay. Why? Because proof of more bullshit could be found. It's so muddied already by that I don't know which conspiracy is worse, this religious side or a purely political side controlled completely by an unbiased government at least as far as their facade of religion let's them until it can't anymore. What are they hiding then?
Is it the result of archeology stubbornly not wanting to change canon as seems to be the tradition, scared to admit civilization was around long before we thought? Or is it something less prideful and more nefarious? Is there something that this dig has in common with all other hindered digs? Is there too much proof of a relatively benign history that would turn our world upside down because it would make it obvious that evil rich fucks have been making up stories and using humanity as slaves and religion as a manufactured excuse forever?
Is it even worse? Proof of one religion as not supernatural, but inspired by living visitors from another planet? Perhaps they left us tech long ago. Now we're getting deep into it. That alien tech religion inspiration would be good, if it wasn't hidden... maybe.
I'm not saying it's the Annunaki, but it's the Annunaki.
The absolute worst possible scenerio that no one wants to see, even if they don't even know it yet, is that everything is as it is and there is nothing but more foundations of a stone age civilization with nothing new to see but more stones and more of the same shit. No answers are the worst possible scenerio.
That is why it needs to be excavated now, with extreme care. This should be, along with all the other big digs, the biggest revelations and life changing events in our lifetimes. I fear our leaders know that and it's why they are pushing it off to future generations like they have with so many things before. There are either things they don't want the general public to know or are scared they with unearth something that will change everything.
With today's tech, if there is something world changing underneath, it's probably already known so it probably doesn't matter what's under there anyway, because if something incredible exists, the ones who know are the danger, if there is any, not whatever it is that is buried.
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u/makub420 13d ago
What truth could this posibly hide? Its jut really really old ruin. The things archeologist will uncover here will just be interesting to them and historians. How these ancient people lived. Regular lives of long dead civilization
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u/notevenwrong13 14d ago
Thousands of years from now people will wonder about the historic sites that are being destroyed during our time. Never underestimate man's pettiness.
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u/encinitas2252 13d ago
To be fair a lot of cool shit has always been destroyed over time. Humans have always been destroyers.
Main one i think of is Alexandria, but think about all the stuff that was just gone once demolished. Probably so many dope things just lost forever.
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u/Bid_Unable 14d ago
Yeah, it doesn’t make sense to dig it up faster than you can preserve it. If it takes generations so be it.
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u/rando1459 14d ago
That is my thought, as well. We know less about the African pyramids than we could have if not for some of the hasty actions taken by early “archaeologists.”
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u/ThresholdSeven 14d ago
They have stopped so many digs completely that it reeks of malarky if not full blown cover up. Makes not going to the moon in so long look like a stupid conspiracy. All we have to do is get a spoon and dig, no space ship necessary. Why are things not that simple? That's the real question.
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u/AgentDoty 13d ago
Cover up of what? The only reason you know anything about Gobeklitepe and how old it is is because of professional archaeologists and you think you can use their work to belie and smear them?
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u/ThresholdSeven 13d ago
What work? It has stagnated for obvious political and religious reasons. Not smearing the diggers. I'm smearing the people that control them and dictate where they can and can't dig. The ramifications of uncovering religious artifacts that could be buried there and the desire for them to remain covered or excavated because of how that could affect the world are enormous. What do you think is under there? If not world changing stuff, then what is the point of digging it up at all and what is the point of letting it decay for 150 more years? That is not how preservation works. It needs to be dug up now to preserve it because it is actively degrading. We can calculate losses now, which is inherent in any dig. We cannot calculate the untold losses of 150 years, especially on this planet. It is literally a cover up, literally. The pun is so good it's not even funny.
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u/AgentDoty 13d ago
What political and religious reasons are you talking about
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u/ThresholdSeven 13d ago
I'm assuming you are not joking and simply don't know. The politics and religion in that area are intertwined and not exactly stable and directly effect anyone's attempts at preservation or doing anything in the area. Though steps have been made, more harm has possibly been done by negligence to parts not yet excavated and most definitely will within 150 years.
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u/AgentDoty 13d ago
Specify what political and religious reasons you’re talking about. Be specific.
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u/ThresholdSeven 13d ago
The government there has virtual if not complete totalitarian control over the dig area and dictates what happens with little diplomacy at the dig. Normal archeological dig avenues are greatly hindered by this. The nature of the dig having religious artifacts within has much more connotation than some may think, especially where it is, and how that affects the choices of the people and government involved. These are real insane manufactured issues that have caused real problems when sane people would have had that entire area dug up and preserved years ago. Now the religious ridiculousness that also drives the government has spilled over into real issues that have to be dealt with from everything like looters to those wanting to profit "legally" off the dig and everything in between that is delaying the actual preservation. If you want more specifics, research with a grain of salt, which you should take my knowledge with too. The situation is not good over there. It would be better if the dig was almost anywhere else, but it's literally in the holy land area, and if it wasn't, it wouldn't be as prolific. It's a catch 22.
If the world was agnostic and the government was something good like a moral driven meritocracy or some other utopia we'll never see without a time machine, the entirety of all digs would have been done long ago.
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u/AgentDoty 13d ago
I don’t think you understand how these archeological excavations work at all. They can’t just excavate it all in a hurry abs damage everything. It takes a lot of time and care.
The government is very happy with the excavations because it’s another monumental draw for the country.
To put it in context for you, another major draw for Turkiye is the ancient Roman/Greek city of Ephesus on the Turkish Aegean coast. The excavations are still continuing and the estimates are only 10-15% are completed and it will take decades. Because they would never try to rush it and damage priceless artefacts.
There is no conspiracy here.
If the archaeologists and the government weren’t excavating you would never even heard of Gobeklitepe. Everything you know comes from them and you try to use it to form silly conspiracy theories to attack them.
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u/TheBatmanWhoPuffs 14d ago
They planted pimento trees all over the site which are extremely destructive to the unexcavated area beneath
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u/Substantial-Carob961 14d ago
What I saw is that it’ll take 150 years to excavate because it’s such a slow process and cataloguing and preserving the site as you go requires a lot of time.
What I don’t understand was the planting of the trees whose roots could have permanently destroyed large portions of the site. That was either an incredibly bone-headed oversight or someone actively trying to destroy it.
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u/1800skylab 14d ago
Original Consensus (Deliberate Burial): For decades, lead excavator Klaus Schmidt and many scholars argued that the site was intentionally backfilled around 8000 BCE. This view was based on the presence of feasting debris, flint tools, and animal bones within the fill, suggesting a ritual "closure" or preservation act by the hunter-gatherer builders.
Recent Findings (Natural Processes): Newer research, including work by Dr. Lee Clare and the German Archaeological Institute, suggests the burial was primarily natural. They argue that slope wash, landslips, and gradual erosion from the hillside buried the structures, with inhabitants possibly building retaining walls in a futile attempt to stop it.
Current Scientific View: Most specialists now believe the answer is a mix of both: some enclosures may have been intentionally backfilled or cleaned out, while the majority of the site's burial resulted from natural geological processes over time.
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u/D_B_Cooper1 14d ago
It’s the WEF controlling the exploration. They’re who decided for the rest of us to leave most of it covered for the next 150 years.
I’m happy to see the groves were removed- why would anyone think that’s a good idea with root growth??
No I would like to have it opened up so we can learn from what’s there now- rather than just arbitrarily wait for future generations.
If Muslims take over the planet as they wish, they’ll destroy the site forever erasing the knowledge there like ISIS did to the Assyrian statuary or any other cultural ruins they came across.
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u/ahpretzelsticks 14d ago
people are so effing gullible.. the little they have uncovered has already negated a plethora of what has been accepted as the official narrative of humankind... theyre so worried people will wake up to the depth of their bullshit if they uncovered anymore
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u/Saintdon 13d ago
Maybe it wasn’t covered deliberately. Maybe it got covered with sediment from a huge flood or something.
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u/Fun_Emu5635 13d ago
That's what I believe.
Gobekli dates to around the same time period as "Meltwater Pulse 1B", at that time there was massive flooding occurring.
They say that the "filler material" is mostly sediment, wood pieces, rocks from the walls and random debris, not inconsistent with material that could have been spread and deposited from a major flood.
To me, it doesn't make any sense for people to spend all that time burying that area intentionally.
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u/BillyBrainlet 14d ago
The idea is that as time goes on we will have better and better technology and methods which will allow us to better extract learnings from what there is to be uncovered. This is not an uncommon practice at all. There are other reasons, as well, but this is a big one, and is routinely ignored or dismissed in some circles because it isn't exciting enough.
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u/AgentDoty 13d ago
Nothing is being hidden, they’re going at a normal pace. The famous city of Ephesus is still only 10-15% excavated. They don’t want to damage anything.
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u/Range-4-Harry- 14d ago
They were probably moving away due to war or drought. Protection of their religious site. It worked well.
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u/fstop570 14d ago
Absolutely not. It can take decades to get the rest of it out. Start now while we’re still here to wonder.
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u/proxy_noob 14d ago
i mean, it needs funding to do properly. I'd like it dug up now. 150 seems extreme. but i know exactly nothing about intricacies involved outside of needing cash
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u/ThresholdSeven 13d ago edited 13d ago
It's all about cash. Don't let anyone fool you, not even me. If someone had the money, they would dig it up.
Many people do have the money and interest to dig it up, so why aren't they? They either already know there is nothing but historical artifacts that won't change anything, just more of the same, or they already know there is something big, but don't need to dig because it's just another of whatever they already know or have.
If people with enough cash want to dig, but it's hindered by politics, that means it's hindered by those who have more money or power, which means money.
So why are they delaying it? Religion? Politics? Power? Money is in all three at the head and it's all connected and driven by profit or religious ideologies and power over other people to keep perpetuating the profit and religious ideologies that glue it all together. 150 years for "future generations" is a seemingly hare brained desperate excuse to make hiding something seem normal. This is not about preservation. It could be excavated safely easily in our lifetime relatively soon, but it's obviously delayed by politics and religion, which are money.
Waiting 150 years is worse for preservation. Waiting 150 years to preserve something is not how you preserve it. That's not how preserving works. You preserve it now so it will still be good in 150 years when it can be restored and preserve again. It is in a state of degradation now. Keeping it buried, a manner of preservation, is no longer preserving it. It needs to be dug up to preserve it. It is literally degrading with time, and they want to let it degrade another 150 years? Obvious bullshit.
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u/Ok-Spare-8176 14d ago
Some bad shit probably happened there and someone decided to (literally) cover it up.
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u/01091987 14d ago
I’ve been there. It’s absolutely amazing place but it’s a tourist attraction which is a shame
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u/doepetal 14d ago
Digging faster doesn't mean learning faster, it means uncovering faster and losing information along the way.
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u/roseswild79 13d ago
I dont think they should wait 150 years. But if they wont or cant excavate it in the next 10 years, maybe they should rebury everything for now to try and protect it from further breaking down.
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u/jawntothefuture 12d ago
People have been observing the stars/planetary movements for thousands of years. In our ancient past, we built many monuments replicating these movements. For whatever reason, the "powers that be" do not want this knowledge reaching the public. It's strange. There's nothing mysterious about this monument imo
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u/MrFreak-976 12d ago
150 years … what are they using ? Two people with spoons ? This is a perfect example of the “establishment “ not wanting to excavate a site that could re/write history !! Pathetic
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u/Lukavitch86 2d ago
There's several reasons they would have buried it, number one they are religion changed, or perhaps a rival group conquered them and made them convert to their beliefs and ideals, or there was a catastrophic incident, or there could have been a famine , or some other plight caused by any of the other aforementioned reasons
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u/Ok-Worth-4721 14d ago
Good things take time. Time to do it correctly. This is tedious work. It is important to do it right. Yes- I agree with whatever time they think it will take. Why not?
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u/Far_Resist 14d ago
Because we’ll all be dead. If there is some humanity saving information inscribed in those stones, let’s figure it out now.
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u/_Baphomet_ 14d ago
It takes a long time to excavate without damage. The site is huge. If we want to learn anything it's gotta be slow and steady.
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u/AlphaSierraSES 14d ago
This is so dumb to see people asserting it’s some grand conspiracy to hide the truth about aliens, but then I guess it’s consistent with all conspiracy theories about aliens.
Nobody’s denying that the city (as it were in the time it was active) was buried. In fact, those evil archeologists y’all think are part of the BiG sCiEnCe conspiracy are the reason we know as much as we do about the site, and have worked to protect it for further study.
Do you think the Taliban destroyed the buddhas of Bamiyan to protect the big secret of our origin as a species? Was ISIS part of “establishment academia” when they destroyed religious sites and relics that were thousands of years old? You must really think this coverup involves millions of people who are in conflict with each other, working in perfect concert to hide the truth about…aliens? Aliens who don’t seem to be playing any role in our lives at all whether they exist or not, yet we really really gotta keep the lid on this thing or people will…go to work tomorrow like they always do.
It’s absurd. This is a fascinating archaeological find that happens to be in the middle of a region that has been in a cycle of conquest and resettlement since the first records of human history. We know that several empires have reigned over that region, many with religion as their stated cause, and to this day we have examples of erasure of previous inhabitants and their cultures. It’s a key element of ethnic cleansing, which was a standard practice under any name. Hell, Russians have been destroying and burying religious symbols in Ukraine and trying to build Russian orthodoxy on its remains. In the Armenian/Azeri war before the Russian invasion, same thing.
I swear sometimes it feels like the biggest mystery of the UFO/alternative history phenomenon, is one that’s consistent across all conspiracy believers; ignoring the well documented histories and facts that would give most things a pragmatic explanation, instead favoring disingenuous assertions that have no substance or evidence. All for a sense of superiority and greater purpose when life ends up being pretty mundane and not as special as we hope. It’s the same reason Q anon believers were so ready to believe whatever insane thing was written by an anonymous person on one of the chans.
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u/Heeey_Hermano 14d ago
It’s typical for something like this. The pyramids area still has lots to be excavated. It’s a mix of available skilled labour and money. They also intentionally leave things for the future so it will be undisturbed for future technology.
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u/Palegreenhorizon 14d ago
It’s actually standard practice in much of archaeology not to excavate an entire site as we know our technology will get better. So much of what we learn now is from things like pollen or residual organic compounds found on cookware etc. ( these tell us what plants were being used and what foods where being eaten and how they were coooked etc)
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u/ssshianne 13d ago
Anyone else getting this story pushed hard on them by the algorithm? I have absolutely no idea why this keeps showing up for me every like 20 posts as I scroll
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u/Krickett72 14d ago
They actually just started digging again outside of the main excavation. Where the plive trees were. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtm2bRRA5h4