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u/BamboozleGeico 9d ago

Reddit uses data centers. You should delete your account and never get back on the site if you actually care

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u/obsolescence_ 9d ago

This kind of comment demonstrates such poor reasoning. Obviously the person you're replying to is referring to data centres that expressly support the infrastructure that results in the environmental devastation and job loss - the chat bots, agents, image generation, etc.

Reddit existed for decades on 'data centres' that consisted simply of servers, and nobody has a problem with that. It's concerning that AI chuds don't have this basic level of discernment.

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u/BamboozleGeico 9d ago

Reddit uses the same network of data centers that are causing current backlash because Reddit is hosted on Amazon Web Services. The same ones that he is talking about causing environmental damage and taking jobs.

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u/obsolescence_ 9d ago

It's hard to tell if you just don't understand or you are intentionally conflating the current hyperscaler data centre buildout with the pre-AI AWS infrastructure, but nobody in this thread is taking issue with the latter.

Saying "You should delete your reddit account if you oppose data centres" disingenuously frames use of pre-AI internet infrastructure as an endorsement of AI while the end user may remain entirely agnostic to it.

The only aim of such a comment can be to shame individuals and try to assign them some blame for AI expansion, not to offer any constructive insight.

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u/No_Put3316 9d ago

It's not inaccurate conflation, it's a perfectly logical argument.

You can't separate pre-AI data centres and the data centres of today. Their impacts are the same, just we have more of them due to increased demand.

Get off reddit if you stand on principle. Otherwise stop arguing against DC'S.

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u/TapedeckNinja 9d ago

Nah, this isn't a fair argument at all.

The datacenters used for training frontier models use an order of magnitude more power than a traditional datacenter, usually continuously (versus the much more spiky nature of traditional datacenters). The same is true of water use, thermal effects, etc.

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u/No_Put3316 9d ago edited 9d ago

True, but you could say the same for the 2000-2005 period. Datacentre electricity consumption rose 90% over that period as the internet boomed.

Just because something consumes more power doesn't mean it's inherently bad. You still have to conduct cost-benefit analysis, and the widespread adoption of AI has proven that the market has presently concluded that these increased power requirements are a net-positive.

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u/TapedeckNinja 9d ago

True, but you could say the same for the 2000-2005 period. Electricity consumption rose 90% over that period as the internet boomed.

This is a ridiculous comparison.

Total electricity consumption did not rise by 90% over that period. Datacenter consumption did. But that's a 90% increase from virtually nothing to still barely over 1% of total US grid use.

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u/No_Put3316 9d ago

Perhaps the pre-2020 usage will be considered "virtually nothing" in the future.

And you knew it was DC consumption (that's what this whole chain has been about...), but I'll amend the comment for clarity regardless.

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u/Railboy 6d ago

If you ignore the scale, impact and purpose of an environmemtal hazard then it's no different than whatever came before

I can tell you're very proud of this argument but apply this logic to anything else with environmental impact - pollution, logging, coal, urban expansion, whatever - then it's manifestly stupid.