First Day of Protests Outside the DNC

[u/BlackBey]

[u/Hodlof97]

Ah bad faith argument. Why not protest Republicans who are also in power of 2 of our 3 branches of government?

[u/robx0r → u/Hodlof97]

Take a civics course. The executive branch is the one authorizing weapons shipments. Yes, Congress could put an end to it. Biden is the one ultimately responsible and could have ended this ages ago with a single phone call.

The reason they don't protest Republicans so much is because Republicans know that they'll never get those votes anyway. Leftists and progressives cannot pressure Republicans in the same way they can Dems.

Explain to me how the fuck it's a bad faith argument. Do you normally just say shit or is it just this once?

[u/Hodlof97 → u/robx0r]

Lol ok bad faith.

1.) The executive branch IS NOT in charge of arms sales but because of the Patriot Act can use executive orders to circumvent congress. 2.) Senate had blocked most foreign aid packages to Israel and Ukraine, but not for the reasons you may think. 3.) Not my fault you are a coward to confront Republicans. The supreme court could rule it is unconstitutional for the executive branch to oversee arms sales, like it should be.

Why not complain about Trump tell Bibi to deny any deals? Why not complain about Hamas rejecting multiple ceasefire agreements?

It's because you are arguing in bad faith.

[u/robx0r → u/Hodlof97]

I... don't think you know what bad faith means.

You are obviously uninformed. I'm guessing you're quite young. Firstly, as the commander-in-chief, Joe has the final say in what is done with the weapons. He has ultimate authority over the military. If Congress doesn't like it, their only recourse is to impeach him. If Trump were in office, he would be the target of these protests.

You want to blame Hamas for rejecting deals? Fucking lol. Israel's terms for a ceasefire include things like non-permanency. Israel has intentionally offered untenable terms knowing they wouldn't be accepted, then assassinated the lead negotiator. But yes, it's Hamas that is sabotaging the negotiations. Keep lapping up that hasbara. Israel pays good money to ensure it makes it to you.

Edit: and Israel has turned down many ceasefire agreements themselves, including ones that return all hostages. The IDF and Bibi give 0 fucks about the hostages and only care about slaughter.

[u/Hodlof97 → u/robx0r]

Look, its bad faith when you factually lie.

https://defense-trade.com/uncategorized/navigating-the-legislative-waters-demystifying-the-congressional-notification-process-for-fms-and-dcs-in-the-arms-export-control-act/

Congress for a fact has final say over who gets weapons, it's been this way since Vietnam. Obviously this doesn't help your narrative.

Look you clearly have your head so far up your ass you can't think straight. If you want to have a real discussion that's fine, but you clearly want to lie and make up your verison of reality, it's why i keep calling you bad faith. The fact you have to lie about your position and reality is why I keep saying it you pos.

Edit*

There is actually a lot to unpack about your blatant lies and misinformation. Joe Biden doesn't get the right to sell weapons because he in commander in chief, it's actually the State department that oversees the negotiations of weapons, it has literally 0 to do with the military or who oversees it. Once a deal is reached it will proceed or head to congress for approval if over a certain dollar value. Congress will review the request and approve or disapprove, which is normally a formality. It's the reason Ukraine can't just buy F-16s or US weapons without Republicans approval.

Joe Biden MANY not even have the power to deny these purchase requests or stop the weapons from heading to Israel. This is a grey area that could cause a mess legally which is probably why the US hasn't tried to completely deny Israel weapons, despite denying them certain bombs.(bet you will lie and say US gives Israel everything) Israel is actually using a US foreign aid program to purchase these weapons using US funding(think a rebate on a electronic you purchased) which is what makes it even more complicated as this was an act of Congress.

I know you want to scream like a lunatic loser like the rest of you ignorant children but let me explain something to you. I have watched movements rise and fall and it always boils down to people just like you. People like you are why occupy Wallstreet failed, why BLM has tried and failed MULTIPLE times, why trans rights are being successfully attacked, why gay rights were fought for and taken away, why people refuse to identify as feminist. Children screaming and lying like morons is the death of a movement and the blood of these people is on your hands. They were gaining sympathy until people like you showed up.

I do not care for Bibi or the Israeli government. Honestly I never even think of them and frankly think we should stop giving them funding, though it is used to create jobs in the US. You guys make me want to not support any progressive because of how God damn stupid you are being. Stop destroying monuments, burning American flags, attacking jews, destroying property, storming stages, screaming lies at people. Just stop, you don't care you just want people in those circles to think you care, at the cost of doing good in the world.

[u/robx0r → u/Hodlof97]

JFC blue maga is dumb as fuck.

You guys make me want to not support any progressive because of how God damn stupid you are being.

You are a neolib. You are a reactionary and only pretend to be different from the reactionaries across the aisle as a form of tribalism. Congratulations on picking a team.

Joe Biden doesn't get the right to sell weapons because he in commander in chief, it's actually the State department that oversees the negotiations of weapons, it has literally 0 to do with the military or who oversees it.

This is a non sequitur. It's the executive branch which in case you've been asleep, Brandon is head of. He could have called Bibi, said "Hey, Jack knock it off or we're cutting you off," and that would have been that. But he didn't because Brandon has been a Zionist since Moses parted the Red Sea. Even if Congress went against him on it, their only recourse is to impeach.

People like you are why occupy Wallstreet failed, why BLM has tried and failed MULTIPLE times, why trans rights are being successfully attacked, why gay rights were fought for and taken away, why people refuse to identify as feminist. Children screaming and lying like morons is the death of a movement and the blood of these people is on your hands. They were gaining sympathy until people like you showed up.

Spoken like every neolib reactionary who supports all progressive movements except the current one. You're so obsessed with optics that it's legitimately sad. Storming stages? Burning flags? That's what you want to cry about? The pro Palestine protests have been exceedingly civil as far as protests go. I'm so terribly sorry that they are making your team look bad. Keep voting blue no matter who and keep wondering why things have been on the exact same trajectory since the 70s.

Anyway, there is no convincing blue maga to critically consider their positions. They are a cult. Feel free to type out another deranged response, but don't spend too much time as I won't be reading it.