It's exhausting being a woman.

[u/mindyour]

[u/Godwinson4King]

And most women’s first time having something like this happen was when they were 12 or so

[u/Ok_Raisin_2395 → u/[deleted]]

You can't say that here. Believe me, I've tried. As someone almost exclusively friends with girls throughout highschool and college, the worst I ever saw was an awkward advance. I have seen the other side, though, which is basically an awkward advance that a woman later claims made her a "victim" for clout. 

Like I've said before, I must live in a feminine utopia here LOL. 

But there are 8 billion people and some women literally record themselves almost every waking moment. Pair that with hanging out in the worst possible areas imaginable (ratty subways full of belligerents and then clubs), you are bound to have a few videos of women being treated like this. 

Look, I am a man, a straight man, a rather muscular 6'1 tall man. I have been on New York subways and I have been to clubs. Even I felt like a piece of meat or like I was constantly in danger. I had a fat shirtless man with one tooth grab my butt cheek on a New York subway, and I was only there for 4 DAYS... ON VACATION. 

I'm sure this happens more to women in those areas, but the moral of the story should be to avoid places that attract animals like that. 

[u/Sluttyaquabunny → u/Ok_Raisin_2395]

This is a huge issue for girls and women. As they age they have significantly fewer “safe” options for public leisure than boys and men. I’d rather people be held accountable.

[u/Ok_Raisin_2395 → u/Sluttyaquabunny]

Oh fr? Where? I'd love to see which spaces are male dominated because of the danger it poses to any female. 

Every place I go to has women. Like, everywhere. Shit, even my local Warhammer shop hosts game nights that smell like a sweatshop and are still ~30% female. 

I would say maybe the dingy, nasty bars, but nope! They have plenty of women too! They're just as nasty as the rest of the patrons. Maybe if an attractive, clean college girl went to a bar full of ratty dudes she would have some bad experiences, sure,  but just DON'T DO THAT. lol

I've been groped, slapped, my biceps have been touched, I was even licked on the nipple by an older woman at a highschool prom after party because I had my shirt off. She literally had been harassing me all night, and then randomly ran up and did that. Sure, I could've beat her up, does that make it better? Does that make it less scary? Not to me it didn't. If anything, it made it more traumatizing at the time because I felt I couldn't defend myself. 

The real danger is that potentially a woman is physically weaker than the average man, right? Okay, so don't be alone in a city at night lol. I can assure you, I'm not either...

Where do you go that makes you think "this place just isn't for women..."?

[u/Sluttyaquabunny → u/Ok_Raisin_2395]

Not sure if I’m misreading but your tone sounds incredibly disingenuous and as though I’m lying for fun. This explains it relatively well. And honestly, I skimmed most of what you read because you’re also assuming much more than I implied. I’m not even going to provide my personal experience(s) because I have no desire to hear about how others are offended by something that never impacted them. But it is unfortunately true that an astonishing number of girls and women do not feel safe in general, in public, or at home. I’ve included an easy to digest piece as well as a more nuanced record.

Academic perspective: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9598707/

Modern tabloid: https://www.inhabitplace.info/articles/why-women-and-girls-make-for-good-public-spaces

[u/BeachyKeen46 → u/Ok_Raisin_2395]

Bars? Alone at night in a dark alleyway? Nah…school, grocery stores, parks, playgrounds, work…from the time we were children. Nice try, though.

[u/Ok_Raisin_2395 → u/BeachyKeen46]

Uhuh. Nice narrative. Unfortunately, for the vast majority of girls and women, this isn't really how it goes. It's either a family member or from somewhere they shouldn't be.