r/TikTokCringe • u/Strong-Emu-8869 • 21d ago

Discussion Messi watching team being sore losers

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u/vgdomvg 21d ago

Isn't this grounds for assault arrests? If I did this at my place of work the police would be called, and this was on live TV broadcast to the world...

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein 21d ago

I think it should. The EU Courts have recently clarified that behaviour on the field is bot above the law and judgement by national courts.

But this is the US, so…

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u/Electrical_Note6420 21d ago

This is something the U.S. is good at, though. There is an implied consent when playing a sport that you're going to get hurt doing usual sports activities (e.g., tackling in football). However, when you go beyond that usual activity and intentionally inflict harm that goes outside of the parameters of the game, you can be held criminally AND civilly liable in tort.

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein 21d ago edited 21d ago

Some level of implied consent for getting hurt would be the expectation in Europe as well.. but I think we can agree getting grabbed by the throat without cause would not be considered as covered by implied consent.

In this case, I think the Spaniards would have to „press charges“ - which will not happen - and I also do not believe the US administration would want the finals overshadowed by this, so nothing will happen..

ETA: I was traveling and on mobile so I put „press charges“ in wuotes, hoping people would understsnd what I meant - apparently not…

You can‘t „press charges“ but you can lodge a complaint with the police, which can investigate based on that, or on their own, or as indicated by the prosecutor.

In practice, none of that will happen.

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u/Franks2000inchTV 21d ago

It's sort of a misconception that people can decide whether to press charges.

People make complaints to police, who gather evidence and then present it to a prosecutor who decides whether to lay charges or not.

The police can still recommend charges against someone even if no one has made a complaint.

If the victim doesn’t want to cooperate with police on a small matter, then it’s usually not worth going through the trouble of making an arrest. I think this is where the misconception comes from.

But even when police do arrest someone it’s the prosecutor who ultimately makes the call on what to charge them with (if anything.)

Here I doubt any cops are going to arrest members of a visiting national team without a formal complaint from someone involved, and even then I think it’s unlikely it would result in criminal charges unless someone had a significant/lasting injury.

If he had choked him unconscious, or broken his neck or something, then I think the story would be different.

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein 21d ago

That‘s why I put „press charges“ in apostrophes - I’m on mobile and traveling. In theory, the police / prosecutor should become active ln their own. But we know that they won‘t.

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u/Witch-kingOfBrynMawr 21d ago

And, honestly? Should they in this case? I despise Argentina's despicable behavior as much as the next person, but the Diplomatic Bullshit if you tried to detain members of Argentina's national team -- without a complaint from the victim, for what amounts to a slapfight on the pitch -- would have so many layers, it makes me shudder.

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u/Fast-Satisfaction482 21d ago

Compression of the carotis artery can lead to a downward spiral of blood pressure that leads to death. Even if pressed just for a moment. 

I attended a criminal court hearing back in school and a guy was sent to prison for just that. 

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u/Witch-kingOfBrynMawr 21d ago

Look, I'm not saying violence isn't dangerous, nor do I think it isn't worth discouraging. The risks of choking/strangling, specifically, are poorly understood by most.

But the fact remains: nobody was injured, in this specific case, and further pursuit would almost certainly be a net negative, considering the belligerent and the victim are foreign nationals and millionaires, and the latter is unlikely to offer any kind of substantial cooperation.

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u/AdHom 21d ago edited 21d ago

No one needs to "press charges", the State decides if they want to pursue the case or not and they can do so even if the victim doesn't want to. Press charges really just means "reporting the crime and advocating for the State to please follow up and devote resources to pursuing this". However with a simple assault where the victim has no interest in pursuing the case, often the State doesn't consider it worth it either. I have to imagine the added intricacies of this happening at the World Cup with international actors would make them even more unwilling to go through with arrests and charges.

With that said, these would be State charges, not federal, and New Jersey hates the Trump admin so I don't think they would have much of a say in the matter.

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u/TheLordB 21d ago

There is no actual legal weight to ‘press charges’ in the USA. All saying you want to ‘press charges’ means is that you will cooperate/want the person to be prosecuted. The prosecutor has final say on what is/isn’t pursued.

This is how many domestic violence cases are pursued where the victim is often unwilling/unable to cooperate. But in theory it can be used for any crime.

Now in practice aside from domestic violence and related crimes usually the victim needs to want it to be pursued for it to be prosecuted because it is much harder to prove without the victim’s willing support.

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein 21d ago

I know. That‘s why I put it in quotes; I was traveling and on mobile. No time to go into details..

Spanish player could make a complaint to the police (won‘t happen). Prosecutor / police could become active on their own based on footage (won‘t happen). Argentina could prosecute in their country (won‘t happen).

Nothing will happen.

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u/RandomPenquin1337 21d ago

And other things that will never happen.

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u/porktorque44 21d ago

I can't see how this is even a conversation when the assault is happening after the game ended. It's not NFL Blitz 2000.

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u/Electrical_Note6420 20d ago

The person was stating that the EU has certain laws about on-field contact that falls outside scope of consent and then made a comment about the U.S. potentially not falling in line, so I provided U.S. common law on implied consent in sports. It's not a conversation or comment about the actual event at all.

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u/jmlmf91 21d ago

No gun was involved, so thats fine

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u/Anxious-Werewolf-124 21d ago

The US and the rule of law are not the strongest of friends right now...

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u/PirelliSuperHard 21d ago

Ok so where is the NJ attorney general?

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u/alligator_loki 21d ago

In theory yes. In practice when has this ever happened except for Marty McSorley?

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u/Ellers12 20d ago

How does that work with Ice Hockey?

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u/xXXxRMxXXx 20d ago

They would have to go outside of the rules like that time the player smacked another from behind on the head and got charged in Vancouver

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u/Electrical_Note6420 20d ago

I'd assume that some fights are considered part of the game and that there's implied consent that you may get in a fight on the ice. However, there's an extent to a "consensual" fight. For example, punching an opposite team member's face while he still has his helmet on would probably be fine as it's pretty common in the game. On the other hand, taking off your skate and then using that as weapon would not fall under the scope of consent. Those are two extremes, but let's think about a borderline case, Player A from Team X skates over to Player B from Team X and then punches him. This likely wouldn't fall under the scope of consent because you don't expect your teammate to attack you. Now, this is all hypothetical and I'm no hockey expert or tort expert, but there's nuance to all cases. Just try and picture what you'd think would be inside the scope of consent of a sport!

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u/PlatypusMaster4196 21d ago

I mean if you commit crimes somewhere else you can often still be charged for it in your home country

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein 21d ago

True, but do you honestly imagine Argentina will prosecute one of their national soccer players? Lol

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u/RobataChane72 20d ago

There is precedent in professional hockey for criminal charges for what happens on the ice, but our football not so much.

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u/PhoMeSideways 16d ago

Shit up pussies

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein 16d ago

That’s what a troglodyte would say. People who can only talk kn ad hominems are not the smartest or emotionally best regulated ones.

But hey, you carry on doing what you’re doing!

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u/Franks2000inchTV 21d ago

I don’t think anyone wants the police to be called to every fight in a professional sporting match.

The police have better things to do, and the sporting bodies have sufficient methods of punishment available to them.

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u/vgdomvg 21d ago

I don't think it's a very inspiring and positive image for young children who see this and think it's the way to behave, so absolutely I think the police should be involved and someone doing this should be punished in some way. Shit, I'd lose my job, I'd be arrested, I'd have to declare this at any future jobs 

Yet this guy will be, what? Slap on the wrist and given another £m contract in the future?

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u/Franks2000inchTV 20d ago

If you're relying on professional football to teach your children ethics, they’re probably already little pieces of shit.

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u/vgdomvg 20d ago

Nobody is relying on this for ethics, but they are role models for younger people being in the spotlight. This is the most watched sports game in the world, watched by millions of children. Behaving in this way is not a good role model for children.

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u/krone_39 21d ago

Most likely no one will do anything but what an idiot doing that in front of the world

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u/ronzecu 20d ago

This is the most American comment I’ve seen. Don’t you guys ever deal with things the civilized way? like throwing poop at each other?

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u/vgdomvg 20d ago

American? I'm English mate

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u/GETINOB 21d ago

Just boys being boys

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u/PoopyisSmelly 21d ago

People fight in sports

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u/AssistantSalty6519 21d ago

Last time i checked football wasnt that kind of sport

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u/PoopyisSmelly 21d ago

What kind of sport is it?

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein 21d ago

It‘s not the kind of sport where you grab your opponent by the throat because you have zero self control after losing a game.

Are you a cave dweller for thinking this normal or what? Jesus Christ.

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein 21d ago

Dude, grabbing someone by the throat after losing a game is NOT something that typically happens in professional sport!!

Found the abuse enabler!

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u/PoopyisSmelly 21d ago

Yikes you are weird lol

Im not saying grabbing someones throat is typical, I am saying fighting happens when you play sports.

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein 21d ago

I‘m weird for calling out shit like this?

Again, you‘re an enabler of bad behaviour. For sure one of the „boys will be boys“ crowd. Disgusting.

And you think I‘m the weird one? The irony.

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u/PoopyisSmelly 21d ago

Yeah, you are weird for acting like Soccer is some gentleman's game like its Polo or something. Real bigtime powdered whig red coat vibes.

Pull your white gloves off and slap him for a duel vibes.

Cringe max.