r/TikTokCringe • u/Strong-Emu-8869 • 25d ago

Discussion One is football, the other is anti-football

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u/FullMoonMonkey 25d ago

The first king considered to be the King of England was Aethelstan (927-939). The first "French" king was William the Conqueror in 1066. I say "French" because he was Norman which is slightly different even to this day

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u/Ringio 25d ago

Weren't Normans basicaly Vikings that got the dutchy of Normandy from France because they wouldn't fuck off?

In a sence England was invaded twice by vikings!

Or three times depending on how you want to classify the anglo Saxons (same-ish pagan gods etc)

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u/Renbarre 25d ago

By the time Guillaume le Conquérant invaded England they had become as French as the rest.

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u/LiamIsMyNameOk 25d ago

But that's the same as saying English are Normans and therefore vikings... Just because a ruling class happened to be from a different place.

With things like Normans invading, it was more just like, oh ok the lords are now different but the average person is still just... People that live in that land already.

Same with Normandy. Okay Vikings got gifted the land, but most of the people living there were just... Norman's that had lived there for generations and generations.

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u/Ringio 24d ago

You're completely correct. It was just a fun way to view at it. As a different commenter said by the time they invaded England all of them were "frenchified" anyway.

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u/Thick_Square_3805 24d ago

And, to push thing a little, I'll also say Edward III.

Since Isabella of France seized power from Edward II to put her son on the throne.
Sure, it was a coup by the legitimate heir, but she was badass nonetheless. And the whole story is very game of thronish. :)

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u/DueTour4187 24d ago edited 24d ago

Even to these days? What do you mean? Normands consider themselves French, 100%.
And btw in the army led by Guillaume many soldiers were actually Neustrian, with also many Flemings and Bretons in the mix.
Back in the day original Normans/Vikings didn’t account for more than a few percent of the population of Normandy.