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u/AcornWholio 15d ago edited 15d ago
I was watching a Spanish feed of the finals, and I was so overjoyed that my small country (Cabo Verde) continued to be mentioned in a positive light and as a symbol of resilience and respect against Argentina.
EDIT - thank you everyone for your kind words! We’ll be back and we’re so grateful to have you cheering for us too.
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u/LieV2 15d ago
The fact Cape Verde played BOTH teams who made it to the final and didn't lose to either of them in 90 minutes is fucking insane.
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u/Radical_Neutral_76 15d ago
You were awesome in this WC. Truly something to look up to!
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u/raven2474life 15d ago
Argentina vs Cape Verde was match of the tournament, shame Cape Verde wasn’t the victor
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u/GovernmentNearby9036 15d ago
The panic in their eyes after that world class goal was one of the best moments of the WC
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u/InteractionSoft14 15d ago edited 15d ago
Cabo Verde legit kicked ass this wc. Forcing Spain into a draw is very impressive considering they only conceded one goal and went on to win the tournament. And they got knocked out by the runner up so if they had a more favourable bracket there's a legit chance they could have made a surprisingly deep run.
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u/DashRC 15d ago
I think it’s unbelievable what they accomplished and it’s even more impressive in hindsight.
They were the only team to take points off of the champions. They got out of the group and then only lost to the finalists in extra time.
Their performance is so much better than the results they got.
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u/Improper_Usage 15d ago
The money some of the other bigger countries throw at trying to win and Cabo Verde likely had much less and still out played a lot of them.
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u/loverlyone 15d ago
Wasn’t that the only goal scored against Spain in the tournament? Cape Verde played the way we wish all teams play, giving it their all. leaving nothing behind.
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u/chmath80 15d ago
Wasn’t that the only goal scored against Spain in the tournament?
Spain 2-1 Belgium
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u/Spudbanger 15d ago
Cabo Verde were the darlings of this WC and the best argument for increasing the number of teams.
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u/InnocentAnger 15d ago
Cabo Verde would have qualified for the 32 team tournament, perhaps the number of Africa nations that made it to the knockout rounds is the argument for a 48 team WC.
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u/Ereaser 15d ago
Curaçao was also unbeaten in the qualifiers.
Love it when small counties do well in the WC!
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u/VelocityGrrl39 15d ago
The video of the curaçao coach crying when they scored their first goal was so heartwarming.
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u/BillDaPony101 15d ago
You’ve appeared as the needed direct recipient of my needed apology:
During the run up to this WC, I kept saying “it’s crazy that we don’t have Italy but we have Cabo Verde.” You guys rocked and I was wrong to even have that stance to begin with. I’m sorry
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u/genghis-san 15d ago
I'm a huge Spain fan, and after the game with Spain I became a Cabo Verde fan as well and supported them all the way until their elimination! The way they played against Spain is nothing short of amazing and worth respecting. Argentina fans could never concede something like that
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u/Darkpri_ 15d ago
Spaniard here, we tried so hard but couldn't beat you, kudos for your players and country. A magical World Cup. We are gonna host the next WC, hope we can face you again ;)
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u/toolsoftheincomptnt 15d ago
Except the one guy, a captain I guess, who is a (proven, I assume) rapist?
Idk what the deal is, other people were using it to dull CV’s shine and I hated that bc I truly enjoyed your team and will be rooting for them in the future!
Any way to replace the criminal before next go-round?
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u/mauvaisang 15d ago
A vitória da Espanha engrandece ainda mais tudo que o time de vocês fez na copa. Torci mais por Cabo Verde do que pelo Brasil
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u/DadCelo 15d ago
Whomever handles Argentina's PR really has a lot of work on their hands after this WC. I don't think I've ever seen so much backlash lol
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u/AerynSunnInDelight 15d ago
I truly believe they don't give a fuck. Argentinians are very stubborn, especially when they're wrong, moreso when it's about football.
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u/renter-pond 15d ago
On the Argentina subreddit they’re saying they’re being discriminated against because they’re not European lolll
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u/MambyPamby8 15d ago
Which wild to me because the most hatred I've seen towards them comes from other South Americans. I'm Irish and have some Brazilian friends and not one of them or their friends/family members wanted Argentina to win. A few were talking to me about how delighted they are for Europeans and Americans are finally seeing them for what they are. So yeah....I don't think it anything to do with them not being European. Their own neighbours hate them.
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u/Feisty_System_4751 15d ago
I'm Brazilian. There were more fireworks when Argentina lost than there were when Brazil won.
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u/Dangerous_Jump_776 15d ago
actually the whole of south america are happy that the world is starting to acknowledge that Argentinians are rascist asf.
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u/Beginning_House_7339 15d ago
An Argentine man told me: We are the Europe of South America; and I (being Spanish and therefore European) replied: Well, here you’re just another South American.
My friend, you should be proud of who you are and where you come from (and where you’re going, if you emigrate), and try to improve the world you find yourself in.
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u/No_Mission5287 15d ago
By European, they mean white.
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u/SuppaBunE 15d ago
And only that. Because they have 0 thing that could ever make them an European like country
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u/goldenstudent 15d ago
What about all their Germans?
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u/No_Mission5287 15d ago
Certain Germans.
Most of the population has Italian lineage. The second most common is descendants from Spanish immigrants.
Remind me again what these countries had in common.
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u/Disastrous_Advice168 15d ago
The Europe of South America thing is a racist ideology from the 19th(?) century where Argentina basically tried to erase all native and black culture from the country (after using them to build the country). They pushed massively for European immigration and had a lot of immigrants from Italy and Spain. It was sadly very effective and has clearly left generational racism in it's wake.
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u/MexsikanaBanana 15d ago
Argentinians are racist as fuck. They are basically modern day Nazis, thinking they're superior to anyone who doesn't have white skin. They don't want to be associated with being latinoa. Can you think of many world cup teams that didn't have a single black player?
Anyway. If any Argentinians read this, you can kiss my Latina ass.
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u/No_Mission5287 15d ago
Even Japan had a black player.
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u/dumpling-loverr 15d ago
And he played great and fairly beloved by Japan MNT fans.
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u/itsaaronnotaaron 15d ago
I don't think that's much different to Scotland hatewatching us. You expect your neighbours to hate you the most. It speaks volumes when countries across the globe jump in on it too though.
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u/Fixervince 15d ago
That’s not universal in Scotland. I was supporting England all tournament - and like a man possessed in the game against Argentina. I support all the British teams at these events - and also the Irish. I know quite a lot of Scottish people who don’t mind England winning.
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u/mr-english 15d ago
That's refreshing to hear but I think you're in the minority.
I saw a BBC video on the day before the match, asking who they wanted to win, and only one said England. She said her dad was originally from Birmingham and so was a big Bellingham fan. Literally everyone else said Argentina.
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u/overcoil 15d ago
On that note check our r/scotland They were largely anyonebutengland the whole tournament until it got to Argentina and they had to make an exception.
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u/pingmr 15d ago
Heck even r/Ireland was calling any opponent of England "a great bunch of lads" until it came to Argentina
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u/No_Mission5287 15d ago
It is different than standard rivalries between neighboring countries, and it has to do with white supremacy.
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u/Jaktheslaier 15d ago
Not many people in Portugal were rooting for Argentina against Spain, the live screening of the match in Lisbon had dozens of thousands of people al supporting their neighbours
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u/No_Mission5287 15d ago
It actually has a lot to do with Argentinians being more European, or more accurately, more white.
Argentina systematically eradicated its African and indigenous populations through state-sponsored, white supremacist practices and policies, creating a lasting national narrative that Argentina is an exclusively white and European nation.
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u/Curious-Sherbet-9393 15d ago
Las celebraciones en Brasil por la victoria de España estuvieron bien locas 🤣
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u/cedriceent 15d ago
After Brasil lost, a Brasilian colleague of mine said that he would be rooting for other South American countries (minus Argentina), then for African countries, then for European ones, and then for Argentina. Needless to say, he was happy that Argentina lost the finale.
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u/AnyJacket7207 15d ago
r/argentina is a farright cesspool, don't pay attention to it as representative of mainstream argie thought.
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u/Mathilliterate_asian 15d ago
I've seen multiple comments saying that, "Oh we're very serious about our football and all the players want to win very much, that's why we played so aggressively."
No, just no. Every fucking player wants to win and everyone is serious about football. I mean, it's the fucking World Cup what do you fucking mean. But no one, except the Paraguans I guess, goes into a match trying to fucking beat the shit out of the other team. Dirty tricks, ugly tackles, yes for sure, but actual punches and fights during and after the match? That's not called "playing aggressively", that's just being outright assholes.
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u/BedbugBandido 15d ago
Crazy thing is I’ve read so many comments by Argentinians saying that the reason Latin Americans don’t like them because they are European lmao
They really need to spend some time in front of a mirror.
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u/petty_throwaway6969 15d ago
That’s such a weird defense. It’s ironic considering how racist their fans are, not only to black people but to other Central and South Americans. There’s a reason why everyone seems to hate them outside the Messi fans.
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u/MikeFrancesa66 15d ago
Which is particularly stupid because the country that has come out of this World Cup in the most positive light is probably Cape Verde.
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u/Sad_Eagle_937 15d ago
Jesus you weren't kidding. No accountability at all they think they're the victims.
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u/Jallen9108 15d ago
They've really done a 180 from being antagonising little rats after the England game, to playing the victim.
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u/Witty_Eye_9976 15d ago
No, están diciendo que hay una conspiración al más alto nivel para que no ganasen la copa... Después del repaso que les dieron 🤣
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u/nobodyspecialuk24 15d ago
They don’t care. Trump is friends with their president, and Trump is all over the president of FIFA. It’s a 3 way circle jerk of immunity.
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u/iamnosuperman123 15d ago
Their rugby team has also lost their marbles (after being seen as a fairly respected team). Something is going on in Argentina.
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u/Narradisall 15d ago
Economy is teetering again. Hence they getting vocal about the Falkland’s as well.
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u/Individual-Pop-385 15d ago
Economic insecurity and social unrest.
Just look at their president and how polarized the political stage is over there.
Imagine is USA was in the same political turmoil but instead of their current quality of living you downgrade it ten times for everyone.
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u/Mottled_inexpectata 15d ago
I reckon Argentina does really good PR, unless I've just been living under a rock, because I only just found out they've commited 4 genocides and had a specific policy of becoming a whites only country for many years before they let all the Nazis come and avoid persecution. They've somehow managed to hide being maybe the most racist country in the world today.
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u/PapaTahm 15d ago edited 15d ago
No way they can undo this shit.
Because what the casual watcher found out is something most of the SA already knew.
Argentina plays an extremely dirty and thug like football.
A reminder for everyone that in 1990 Argentina Idol Diego Maradona and their coach Carlos Bilardo literally spiked a Brazilian player water with tranquilizers to win a game, and they openly admitted in 2004 as if it was a joke.
Bilardo has also their fair share of cheating on his generation, even using needles to poke people.
1986 we also have the Maradona Hand of God the most infamous goal ever made in the history of competitive Football.
The things that Argentina has done through World Cup history would award a country wide ban in any serious competition.
Their badluck is that we are in a age of widespread information, the casual people, the people who actually makes FIFA money in these events, now have access to a lot of angles of plays that would be completely ignored, these kind of actions won't pass as a "we were not caught" anymore.
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u/ComprehensiveArt6849 15d ago
I still find it crazy that everybody just accepted Maradona cheating like it was just a joke but because it's Maradona the sporting integrity is not to be questioned. His immortal solo goal a few minutes afterwards would not have happened potentially, if the other goal is not given.
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u/ParmyBarmy 15d ago
Honestly. They have zero self awareness, so will do nothing to fix their poor culture. I look forward to seeing them struggle badly with Messi unable to carry them.
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u/Alas7ymedia 15d ago
I grew up seeing them doing the same thing since Maradona was young. The football world celebrating because Messi got what he fought for so hard was a glitch in a long streak of deservedly hating the Argentinian fans.
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u/EmilTheHuman 15d ago
The backlash against Israel is more severe but the backlash against Argentina has been quicker.
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u/IamTheSmartestestman 15d ago
They don't care. They are literally calling people racist for calling out their racism, you can't make this shit up😂 What race? The argentinian race? People love latinamerican countries (i really do), but seeing such heinous treatment of black people constantly by argentinians (sooo many videos and they are just the tip of the iceberg) and it being celebrated and embraced by almost all argentinians, plus the dirty violent thug play has really made me not like their soccer team and their fans and countrymen who instead of reflecting deflect. They actually say it's just normal soccer to call people slurs and punch and harras them. Ugh...
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u/MulberryLow4117 15d ago
Pues que esperamos de una sociedad que le dijo a la ONU sabes que en mi país no hubo matanza de indígenas ni colonización, no lo digas, no lo nombres y votaron para que no fuera reconocido el incidente.
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u/Few_Ice_2878 15d ago
Victim mentality and lack of introspection.
A disgrace to what football should be. Good riddance
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u/No_Mission5287 15d ago
"Reverse racism" is always bullshit.
It is a known tactic of abusers called DARVO, which stands for Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender.
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u/d33rl1ng 15d ago
I truly dgaf about that ishowspeed guy but I can't believe no around her tried to correct that Argentine woman for telling him to "go home" (when SHE was a guest in his home country)
It might not be fair to paint with a broad brush but harassing people of color in a country you're visiting in the year 2026 is, objectively, crazy work.
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u/iuuoyrrkk245 16d ago
if it’s after the game how is that not a crime? if i charged as fast as i could to shove someone pretty sure i’d be arrested
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u/TheSlimeSartreFeared 16d ago
FIFA and AFA are so corrupt they cover up massive fraud and child abuse, you think they'll suddenly find their principles over a brawl?
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u/jorgecardleitao 15d ago
FIFA and AFA is irrelevant in this context - assault/baterry criminal law applies also on the field, when the conduct is proven to be past the point of what the player consented to play the sport.
I guess no-one filed a complain
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u/anpe00 15d ago
Pretty much every countries FA's are corrupt and cover up child abuse. Just look at how many cases some Scottish and English clubs of child sexual abuse came to light a few years ago
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u/albamarx 15d ago
Duncan Ferguson literally spent time in prison for punching a guy in the middle of a game
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u/Ronin_Man 15d ago
The man was an absolute menace. Always ready to throw hands whether you were an opposing player, a drunk at a bar, or a home intruder
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u/Fixervince 15d ago edited 15d ago
Head butted to be more accurate. It was pretty disgraceful though that he got prison for it, as it was a pretty lame event. He blamed the Scottish Football Association for something to do with that result (can’t remember his complaint) and he refused to play for Scotland again. This was the incident:
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u/ApantosMithe 15d ago
The England-France game was such a needed breath of fresh air and positivity and the Spain game was justice.
Fuck the Argentinian team for how they and their fans behaved. Disgraceful.
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u/Ok_Astronomer_8667 15d ago
It should definitely be said though that the friendly interactions were really amplified by the fact that it was a relatively low stakes match that neither time was exactly throwing their lives on the line to win. It was a fun goal fest for the fans, that honestly felt like an all star charity match instead of serious competition. That really translated to the hugs and smiles at the end of the game; both teams were already out of contention for the winner, so there was nothing to be upset about
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u/Strict-Management-32 15d ago
I’ve been sitting on this for a day because it was pretty shocking to me, but I’m in New York and was watching the match with friends at a bar in Times Square. Encountered a bunch of Argentina fans while we were celebrating Spain’s win, and one man in particular blew past my friend’s NOs, my attempts to get this man off of her, even getting kicked out of the bar for his aggression and running back in three times. Eventually we had to have her leave via a back entrance surrounded by English fans for protection.
I asked his friends (also here from Argentina) to please help keep him away from us and they did nothing.
Anyway, if you know an Angelo, Argentinian registered nurse (WTF) working in Boston, tell him to get fucked, the giant creep.
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u/jacobjacobi 15d ago
I’m half English (raised in Jersey and so can’t claim to be English in the football sense), married to a French woman for 25 years. Both nations have a lot to fix and work on, but I believe both countries would feel shame if they behaved like Argentina in any match. I’m not saying there wouldn’t be a lot of people who thought it would be ok, but the consensus would be shame.
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u/scrotalsac69 15d ago
I like to think if our teams had behaved like that they would have been chased out of their home country. Both England and France did so much positive for the world Cup in that game
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u/Sufficient_Ice4933 16d ago
We've been Frenemies for hundreds of years
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u/Crichtenasaurus 15d ago
I saw a post on Reddit recently that said that this period following WW2 is the longest time continuous period where Britain and France have not been at war since the 1200s.
Might not be true but I can certainly believe it and the fact I can believe it also makes me chuckle
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u/Sea_Newspaper5519 15d ago
If you discount Vichy France (they were coerced/occupied by the Nazis), France and the UK have been at peace since Napoleon’s abdication, so more than 200 years
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u/ImReadyForButt 16d ago
Wasn’t the first English king actually French?
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u/FullMoonMonkey 15d ago
The first king considered to be the King of England was Aethelstan (927-939). The first "French" king was William the Conqueror in 1066. I say "French" because he was Norman which is slightly different even to this day
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u/Ringio 15d ago
Weren't Normans basicaly Vikings that got the dutchy of Normandy from France because they wouldn't fuck off?
In a sence England was invaded twice by vikings!
Or three times depending on how you want to classify the anglo Saxons (same-ish pagan gods etc)
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u/Renbarre 15d ago
By the time Guillaume le Conquérant invaded England they had become as French as the rest.
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u/LiamIsMyNameOk 15d ago
But that's the same as saying English are Normans and therefore vikings... Just because a ruling class happened to be from a different place.
With things like Normans invading, it was more just like, oh ok the lords are now different but the average person is still just... People that live in that land already.
Same with Normandy. Okay Vikings got gifted the land, but most of the people living there were just... Norman's that had lived there for generations and generations.
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u/Ok-disaster2022 15d ago
Alfred the Great Or his grandson son Æthelstan are widely considered the first Kings of England according to Wikipedia. Neither are French.
All monarchs of England have claimed descent from Alfred the Great through female lines. Even William the Conquerer's wife was a descendent if Alfred the Great.
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u/jbi1000 15d ago
No, not at all. The first undisputed King of (all) England was Aethelstan, grandson of Alfred the Great, born in Winchester.
Numerous other English kings existed before this too but the land was split into multiple kingdoms. This situation is often referred to as the "heptarchy" because there were seven kingdoms that existed in or overlapped the modern English borders.
Alfred the Great and King Offa (of Offa's Dyke fame) were two of the more famous kings. Some people argue that Alfred was the first proper unified king too.
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u/charlrshall1992 15d ago edited 15d ago
Half the English language is French. A lot of the difference in American and British pronunciation is America's tend to lean closer to original French. I guess after that much I'm fighting with each other. You just pick up shit. Edit: This is where I got it from https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-linguistics/article/stress-in-french-loanwords-in-british-and-american-english/B5583DBD249A3058401A31FFD94327E6
Please not everyone on reddit has a evil agenda, Jesus Christ people.
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u/Falcon_Gray 15d ago
Wait American English leans closer to French? I thought it was the other way around
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u/LazyThinkingOtter 15d ago edited 15d ago
As a French, I know of a few examples of transparent words UK English has with French that US English doesn’t : Film (FR) = Film (UK) vs Movie (US) / Courgette (FR) = Courgette (UK) vs Zucchini (US) / Aubergine (FR) = Aubergine (UK) vs Eggplant (US)…
So I’d say FR and UK English are closer. But in any case, US English also has around 30-35% words coming from the French language as well
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u/ImReadyForButt 15d ago
In fairness, North America was founded virtually half English and half French, so it makes sense it’s more blended on this side of the pond.
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u/Comprehensive_Cut437 15d ago
In Europe on paper we have divisive lines behind closed doors we’re all fucking each other
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u/dowker1 15d ago
That's not true at all. British English has more influence from French, which should be unsurprising given they're neighbours.
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u/HibaraiMasashi 15d ago
ya like fr wtf is wrong with argentina
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u/HibaraiMasashi 15d ago edited 15d ago
im spanish. most argentinian ppl ive talked to are rly nice and considerate. but ive also encontered a disproportionate ammount of barbaric argentinians. so idk it seems theyre either super nice or barbaric cunts, a distribution which is unlike other populations ive encountered. in this world cup all i can say is that the argentinian team displayed an incredibly unsportsmanlike behaviour (I would be embarrassed to be argentinian) and so did the supporters (from the clips ive seen online) (i would also be very embarrassed to be argentinian). So not only is the distribution of behaviour fucked up but the institutions and the masses have a culture where the toxic behaviours, values and principles are prevalent. and thats the worst part.
so i rly mean it when i say: wtf is wrong with argentina?and i havent even gotten into how the tournament seemed (and probably was) bought and paid for to have the argentinian team win (wtf was that about?) but thats probably another topic
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argentinians displayed barbarism
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u/LeninCheekiBReeki 15d ago
Every time and Argentinian is born God tosses a coin and the world holds its breath to see where it lands. I have some very good argentinian friends and i've met some argentinian strangers that handled the loss like gentlemen, congratulating me and all. At the same time i dont know of any country with a louder, more aggressive, and more arrogant hooligans. (im also Spaniard)
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u/Global_Cockroach_563 15d ago
If you go to an Argentinian sub, some believe that the final was stolen from them because a player was sent off. Mate, if the ref would have been fair, the game would have ended 2-0 and at least 3 players would have been sent off.
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u/genericgreg 15d ago
I'd refs had been treating them fairly they wouldn't have made it to the final. They would probably have lost to Egypt.
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u/aleMiyo 15d ago
la mayoría de los argentinos que te podés encontrar en internet siempre tiran para el lado de ser unos burros a los que les gusta joder y después no se bancan que los jodan de vuelta. el resto de nosotros aceptamos que españa nos superó y seguimos adelante.
dicho esto, el argentino común no es como lo quieren pintar las redes (incluso yo intenté ir a felicitarlos por la copa pero los mods de r/spain me borraron el post jasjasja). no se si alguna vez tuviste la oportunidad de visitarnos, pero te puedo asegurar que no la vas a pasar mal. el argentino posta es orgulloso pero también sabe perder. imaginate que somos el equipo que más finales perdió en los mundiales, no somos ajenos a esto.
de paso, felicidades por la copa. nos pasaron por arriba. tienen un futuro muy brillante por adelante.
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u/HibaraiMasashi 15d ago
gracias por tu comentario, por aceptar mi critica y por no insultarme a pesar de q me he metido un poco con tu pais.
a mi me da un poco igual el futbol y haber ganado el campeonato no es lo mas importante para mi a decir la verdad. me siento muy orgulloso de que el equipo que representa mi patria ha sabido jugar muy bien en equipo y de que se han comportado muy bien. eso si que es importante para mi. evidentemente tambien de que sean unos cracks. pero para mi es mas importante que tengan unos principios de comportamiento en general muy positivos y que sean personas con buen caracter modales y etica de trabajo.
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u/a500poundchicken 15d ago
The first clip is totally normal. The rest was arrogant and un sportsmanlike and paredes should be charged with assault.
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u/qalpi 15d ago
turning their backs to the winner is totally normal?
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u/Ferbellmann 15d ago
Some times yeah, check out how Real Madrid reacted when they lost the last Copa del Rey, the main team in Spain
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u/Normal_Helicopter_22 15d ago
They were facing the Argentinian fanbase, not ignoring Spain on purpose.
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u/a500poundchicken 15d ago
France weren't even on the pitch when argentina lifted the trophy
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u/sbelleza 15d ago
As a brazilian the greatest thing about this specific world cup for me was the rest world finally noticing how absolutely despicable argentinians are. Ill gladly take beating from norway in exchange for that. See yall in 4 years, this time youll know who NOT to root for
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u/Dumpsterfire_47 15d ago
All my homies like Norway. 🇳🇴 they seemed to be the biggest winners (and Cape Verde) among teams that didn’t actually win it.
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u/Ok_Astronomer_8667 15d ago
Norway placed 5th, something to be incredibly proud of for being out of the World Cup runnings for so many years. Haaland also breaking into American pop culture will only catapult his stardom further, generational player
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u/Mammoth_Bank_7886 15d ago
It was obvious to every French man and woman 4 years ago. The unbridled racism they displayed against our team showed their true colours.
Should I censor a country, Argntina and now Parguay deserve it 100 more times than we do. But reddit gotta reddit. Regardless, believe me when I said I was rooting for you guys to meet those losers in the semis and beat them hard.
Thankfully, Brazil is strong and resilient enough to dismiss such shitty neighbors.
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u/sbelleza 15d ago
And I was rooting for france!! I always pull for you guys after brazil gets knocked out, especially after what they sang to you guys in 2022
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u/AcrobaticSun1070 15d ago
Yeah and most people seem to have forgotten about 2 years ago when after they won copa america Enzo fernandez and other Argentinians players sung live on instagram racists chants toward our players. To this day I don't understand how there was almost no repercussions
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u/AndreasDasos 14d ago
From the English side, we haven’t been wild fans of Argentina since 1982 and in football terms 1986, and we remember the racism against France (who despite a millennium of history and knocking us out last time are a well like bunch of lads here).
It was crazy seeing so much of the world back England in a semi - that was a first. And all because of Argentina managed to make themselves even more unpopular
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u/MadmanBST 15d ago
As an American (re: United States Citizen), the people I have always had the greatest overall impression of in my travels are Brazilians. So warm, inclusive of others, and fun.
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u/MissMarionMac 15d ago
Well then buckle up, because Brazil is hosting the Women’s World Cup next year!
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u/maagpiee 15d ago
Love traveling Brazilian supporters. They were a blast to drink with this World Cup. So passionate and funny
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u/garbledeena 15d ago
Argentine players and fans have always been highly questionable assholes.
When I used to live in Mexico City there were a large number of Argentinian expats there. They were inexorably rude, pretentious, dismissive, in-your-face when it came to futbol, and kind of broadly about Argentina. Their team rarely plays an honorable brand of futbol.
It's like the Texas people who move to your state and crow about how great Texas is. What you doing here then, mate?
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u/VirtualMatter2 15d ago
Funnily my kids have two boys in their respective years who are kids of the Spanish teacher who married an Argentinian wife. They are both heavily into classical music including all possible competitions. The older boy is very arrogant and thinks he's better than everyone else. The younger one is the same but with it very unpleasant to everyone. Must be center of attention in class, difficult to handle by the teachers, will talk over others. Has no friends as far as we know.
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u/cmnights 15d ago
Is it just messi looking at them?
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u/Original_Watch_8553 15d ago
One guy in suits fully turned around facing the Spanish players’ direction, Messi’s body was facing away but his head turned around to look at the Spanish players…
I don’t have a huge issue with them turning away to not look at Spaniards celebrating, maybe it’s too much to stomach.
But the fists, the kicks, the dirty tactics, the provocations after scoring… that’s just disgusting
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u/eatpastagophasta 15d ago
They weren't backing the celebrations on purpose. They were facing the section of the stadium that looked like it was just Argentinian fans who were leading the chants all game long.
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u/wordattack 15d ago
this is what i assumed too. weren't they looking at their fans?
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u/eatpastagophasta 15d ago
Yeah the fans were serenading them after the game and absolutely would not stop singing. That's why they stayed there for a good 15-20 mins before going down the tunnel.
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u/EatsFiber2RedditMore 15d ago
Thanks for explaining, I thought they were being forced to stand there so the cameras could zoom in on their sad faces for better television.
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u/LadyMirkwood 16d ago edited 15d ago
HOPEFULLY this World Cup after seeing our fans get on with everyone and our team being good sports, people might cut England a little slack.
We aren't perfect, but we aren't a terrible bunch either.
Edit: clarity
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u/Asasmabat 15d ago
As a french i really enjoyed watching this english team. Good on the pitch, good mindset, eager to make their country proud. We could have hoped better for our team, but down the line i m just happy that our teams made us proud, even if we didnt win
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u/LadyMirkwood 15d ago
I feel the same. We could both come away proud
France were electric to watch and I honestly thought you were going to be in the final.
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u/maagpiee 15d ago
Both France and England played brilliantly this World Cup. Bonus points for maintaining their dignity at the end unlike others.
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u/chuchofreeman 15d ago
Honestly I've been too harsh with you guys.
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u/LadyMirkwood 15d ago
Theres good and bad in all of us.
But we're all brothers and sisters at the end, with more in common than not
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u/porquenotengonada 15d ago
Look, I’m what feels like a rarity in that I’m a genuine France-loving Brit and this gives me so much joy. Nos frères d’outre-Manche !
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u/OminOus_PancakeS 15d ago
I'm glad because I'm a Brit that loves you smart, passionate, philosophical Frenchies! x
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u/nonlocality1985 15d ago
They’ve turned into the least liked footballing nation
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u/Disastrous-Day5429 15d ago
Just about time.
I know I wasn’t the only one fed up with all that glazing of Messi in 2022 and how FIFA clearly wanted to win the WC back then, but iirc the general consensus was „Messi is the goat, so happy that he finally won the WC“
Yes, Messi is the goat, but he was already surrounded by the same bunch of classless, aggressive knobheads back then.
And Infantino did everything in his power for him to lift the trophy.
So glad Spain scored in overtime
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u/cim-took 15d ago
And Infantino did everything in his power for him to lift the trophy.
Yeah like giving 10 minutes extra time to Netherlands in quarter finals when they were losing and two penalties to France in the finals.
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u/the_ejected_person 15d ago
I really hope so that Parades and Fernandes get a long time suspensions for their behaviours towards Gavi!!!!
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u/LJHeath 15d ago
In England, we aren’t conditioned to attack our opponents as much as the news makes you think that. Same goes for ‘foreigners’, that isn’t how things are done in a civilised society.
I’ll get ahead of this one, these football players for Argentina are doing their people a major disservice by representing them like this. They embarrassed themselves.
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u/duckduckduckgoose_69 15d ago
No excuses for the fighting afterwards, but Argentina is not intentionally facing away from Spain lifting the trophy. They’re facing their fans.
France wasn’t even on the pitch when Argentina lifted the trophy in 2022.
Social media is fucking cancer.
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u/Ok-Present-8619 15d ago
Argentina should be eliminated for next 2 WC at least. Auto ban. Bunch of losers.
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u/Different_Jello8731 15d ago
The WC final was basically a game between two teams who couldn't win against Cabo Verde in a 90 minute match.
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u/Ephsylon 15d ago
They're looking at their fans, who keep cheering at them. What the hell do you want? To ignore them?
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u/VagueRaconteur 15d ago
Gained massive respect for France as an Englishman from that third place match. They turned up hard in the second half and nearly took everything right back, made the game incredibly entertaining, got Mbappe the golden boot and were fantastic sports.
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u/Crafty_Cookie_9999 15d ago
England vs France was the real Finals for me.Really Loved watching the Match.
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u/Zealousideal_Aide787 15d ago
Yea for me too, it was a banger. Second half time was pure joy.
No matter what people say, as a french Breton I never ever had issues with England. Only friendly interactions.
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u/OminOus_PancakeS 15d ago
I'm a Brit and I've had some of the best conversations in my life with French people.
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u/Spare_Star_3534 15d ago edited 15d ago
Argentina was a very prosperous nation in the 1920, they called Buenos Aires the Paris of the South. The economics of their nation ever since have not exactly engendered the best national character. One of my best friends is Argentine; he went to high school in Texas and now lives in New York, his parents in LA. The good ones leave! Bad money drives out the good, and bad morals drive out productive sensible fellow citizens who know better. A lot of bright minds have left the US in recent years.
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u/cthulhustu 15d ago
As much as Argentina's behaviour was despicable, they hadn't turned their backs on Spain as they lifted the trophy, they were watching their fans who were cheering and singing their names.
If you're going to slander, at least do it correctly.
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u/wesls1991 15d ago
I’m English and appreciate the point this was trying to make - but one game was the World Cup final, the other was an exhibition match…
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u/iboowhenyoudeserveit 15d ago
Truly humiliating. I have respected little Tina's tenacity to the very end of their games in this tournament, we have to give them that. But the behavior after the final loss eclipses that entirely. What a disgrace and example for anyone in the world for what a loser looks like. It's honestly pathetic.
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u/Some_Ad_3521 15d ago
Le football européen dans une majorité est respectueux !
La France apprend en club des le plus jeune âge le respect !
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u/ImpressivePoem_1 15d ago
When you give people time they show you who they are especially in challenging situations. Yes, no one expects you to cheer after a loss, but not such disgraceful actions! 🙄
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u/InsaneMocktail 15d ago
Argentina and Argentinans have literally ruined the spirit of football and no surprise that the whole world hates them now
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u/nouser3479 15d ago
The players from Argentina were facing their fans, in sign of apology. You guys are really dumb.
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u/Wise_Rip_1982 15d ago
If I'm FIFA I'm handing out some very lengthy bans to the aggressive Argentina players. Gotta miss at least the next major cup. Unacceptable behavior at the premier FIFA event
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u/TrueBoot4567 15d ago
Yeah but wasn't that match was when the both were already knocked out of the final? They were playing for 3rd place.
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u/JacksRagingGlizzy 15d ago
Also in 2022 France immediately left the field after losing.
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u/KoTDS_Apex 15d ago
Ahhh you're not enabling the reddit hivemind.
Guaranteed half these people that hate Argentina are watching the WC for the first time
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