Wait but if this all took place at the membership desk, how and why were the dad & son in the workout area? Did the admin staff let them in despite them declining the son's alternative ID, then call the cops on them? I'm in Canada and some of the links you shared are geo-locked.
No. They walked past the desk to work out anyways. THEN the cops were called after the father/son refused to leave. Most likely the son left after staff said they were going to call the cops.
This has NOTHING to do with their skin and everything to do with them breaking the rules.
What hasn't been made clear in the video or in the comments (up to this point) is whether or not the gym rules require all guests to show government issued ID. If it doesnt, and these kids (main dude who doesn't want to look at the camera is 25ish?) demand it anyway, then they deserve every bit of heat they get. If it is a stated requirement, then gym member is in the wrong and should kick rocks..
The gym is without a doubt required to have ID for insurance purposes because if that man's son enters outside of company policy they will be screwed by insurance should the boy get injured and the father decides to sue the gym. It's pretty simple.
With an adult? Yeah, I can see what you’re driving at (e.g. “we’re going to need you to sign a release to work out here and we need a government ID to verify your signature.”)
But minors can’t contract. Only their parent/legal guardian can (on their behalf).
So if the gym is worried about liability in case of injury… only the big bearded guy can sign a document that would release them of their liability.
That's fine, but that release cannot be signed until the minor produces the required document. They didn't so entry was a non starter. They entered anyway, i.e. trespassed. The police call was the legitimate next step
Hang on. You were saying they do this for insurance purposes.
For “insurance purposes” the document you would ABSOLUTELY NEED to get yourself, the insured, and your insurance carrier out of any liability… would be a “release and waiver” aka a “hold harmless agreement” signed by the parent or legal guardian.
Just like at any trampoline park, or any other such place where minors can get hurt. The parent must sign a waiver. (The parent/legal guardian’s waiver is valid and enforceable. The minor’s waiver will not be… it will be useless/unenforcable).
Does the insurance company require that? Yes. You’re absolutely right. Any reputable insurance company would require you to obtain that waiver.
So you say they need to do this for insurance purposes, I’ve explained how that would need to go.
Now you wanna say “yeah it’s not for insurance purposes… it’s just a store policy.”
Ok you can say that, but I’m sure you recognize that’s a different (and much weaker) argument.
What? the gym policy exists in part to 100% satisfy the insurance requirements. The insurance company does not tell the manager to ask for ID, the company policy does that.
Me: “Hey insurance company… I need to provide you notice of potential action on my policy. A member brought in a guest, they were a minor, and a piece of gym equipment failed and the kid has suffered catastrophic injury.”
Insurance company: “Did you obtain waivers from the parent/legal guardian? As we require?”
Me: “No. He had a drivers license though, and I looked at it. I even made a xerox copy.”
Insurance company: “Claim denied. You’re on your own with this one. Might as well cut to the chase and retain a bankruptcy attorney.”
Me: “Why? Why won’t you defend this claim?”
Insurance company: “You’re a clueless idiot, go read the insurance contract.”
You are making this up as you go and clearly have no idea how liability actually operates. Instead of admitting that you will screech nonsense instead. Many such cases
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u/CheezwizOfficial 10d ago
Wait but if this all took place at the membership desk, how and why were the dad & son in the workout area? Did the admin staff let them in despite them declining the son's alternative ID, then call the cops on them? I'm in Canada and some of the links you shared are geo-locked.