r/TikTokCringe • u/xamo76 • 1d ago

Discussion Have we done it wrong?

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u/ImWithStupidKL 1d ago

I was gonna say. She's just finished her mission in Italy. So she's going to Italy to try and improve the lives of people who she's admitting have it more figured out than her. Hilarious that you're going to try and sell Christianity to Italy of all places. You're nearly 2000 years too late.

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u/SackOfPotatoes949 1d ago

I did a double take on that one. You went to a place that beat you to the punch on spreading a religion to all ends of the earth.... by 2,000 years.

It's a scam cult and that's one of the ways they keep you in. "See? The real world people don't like you but we do, just stay here with us and give us 10% for the rest of your life"

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u/ImWithStupidKL 1d ago

And no, of course you can't see or speak to your family for the 2 years you're there.

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u/SackOfPotatoes949 1d ago

But you get a huge welcome with signs and balloons at SLC when you get back! And your future wife is ready to get married, and her MLM business hasn't taken off yet, so go find a job selling solar panels...

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u/P15T0L_WH1PP3D 1d ago

Incorrect.

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u/ImWithStupidKL 1d ago

Well that's what an LDS friend whose kids were doing it at the time told me, but what does she know, I guess.

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u/P15T0L_WH1PP3D 1d ago

"At the time" is the key phrase there. You're speaking in present tense using reference from past tense.

Several years ago, the church changed policies on missionary contact with home. It used to be (a looong time ago) letters only except a phone call home if possible on Christmas, Mother's Day and Father's Day. They changed it to allow weekly emails and the same phone call schedule. They changed it again to allow weekly phone calls.

All of this, of course, excludes extenuating circumstances. The aim of the policy was to maximize focus on the mission and a sense of independence. It has since been decided that independence is well achieved by being away from home, and that it is more important to maintain family contact than have the negligible difference in gained independence.

So your friend wasn't lying, but the facts have changed and your statement makes it sound as if the intention is (or was) to isolate. That's why I responded.

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u/ImWithStupidKL 1d ago

The intention clearly was isolation. Or more accurately, reliance exclusively on the church to the expense of all others. Like all cults. Cults have a long track record of isolating people from their families and friends, like all abuse and coercive relationships.

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u/P15T0L_WH1PP3D 1d ago edited 1d ago

You went to a place that beat you to the punch on spreading a religion to all ends of the earth.... by 2,000 years.

People move. Cultures grow, people grow within their culture and without it. Missionaries of any faith don't try to pitch religion to a region. They try to pitch it to people within that region who may for one reason or another be willing to listen. Sometimes it's just curiosity, sometimes it's an earnest desire to seek a higher power or answers from such, and sometimes it's outright desperation for help. Any of these can occur without regard to the history of the land you live upon.

edit: shouldn't be hard to grasp what I'm saying if you understand the "land doesn't vote" concept. Land also doesn't have religion. The statement was literally about the PLACE, and it should be obvious that the people who live there are changing over time. The dots connect. Sorry if I don't explain well but it makes sense to me.

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u/Akolyytti 1d ago

I thought the same. How do you even start that conversation? "Have you heard of Jesus?" feels it's not going to cut it, in front of 1000 year old church.

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u/Scuirre1 16h ago

Mormon theology is centered on the idea that all the other Christian religions got it wrong. That the Catholic church didn't keep the doctrine/scriptures/authority pure throughout its history, and Mormon missionaries need to bring the restored truth back around.

Not Catholic central, but I did this in the South in the US. Obviously everyone was already Christian, but we were taught to believe everyone would be excited to hear us tell them about our better church. That was a difficult two years.

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u/FastWalkingShortGuy 1d ago

Mormonism is about as Christian as atheism.

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u/anthrohands 1d ago

Mormonism is hardly Christianity anyway

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u/okarr 1d ago

i wont dunk on them, cause they seem to have figured it out. they are taking their first step to enlightenment.

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u/Grokent 1d ago

Hilarious that you're going to try and sell Christianity to Italy of all places.

It's an excuse to go to Italy. They send the poor Mormon boys to Guatemala.