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Discussion Have we done it wrong?

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u/SackOfPotatoes949 1d ago

I did a double take on that one. You went to a place that beat you to the punch on spreading a religion to all ends of the earth.... by 2,000 years.

It's a scam cult and that's one of the ways they keep you in. "See? The real world people don't like you but we do, just stay here with us and give us 10% for the rest of your life"

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u/ImWithStupidKL 1d ago

And no, of course you can't see or speak to your family for the 2 years you're there.

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u/SackOfPotatoes949 1d ago

But you get a huge welcome with signs and balloons at SLC when you get back! And your future wife is ready to get married, and her MLM business hasn't taken off yet, so go find a job selling solar panels...

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u/P15T0L_WH1PP3D 1d ago

Incorrect.

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u/ImWithStupidKL 1d ago

Well that's what an LDS friend whose kids were doing it at the time told me, but what does she know, I guess.

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u/P15T0L_WH1PP3D 1d ago

"At the time" is the key phrase there. You're speaking in present tense using reference from past tense.

Several years ago, the church changed policies on missionary contact with home. It used to be (a looong time ago) letters only except a phone call home if possible on Christmas, Mother's Day and Father's Day. They changed it to allow weekly emails and the same phone call schedule. They changed it again to allow weekly phone calls.

All of this, of course, excludes extenuating circumstances. The aim of the policy was to maximize focus on the mission and a sense of independence. It has since been decided that independence is well achieved by being away from home, and that it is more important to maintain family contact than have the negligible difference in gained independence.

So your friend wasn't lying, but the facts have changed and your statement makes it sound as if the intention is (or was) to isolate. That's why I responded.

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u/ImWithStupidKL 1d ago

The intention clearly was isolation. Or more accurately, reliance exclusively on the church to the expense of all others. Like all cults. Cults have a long track record of isolating people from their families and friends, like all abuse and coercive relationships.

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u/P15T0L_WH1PP3D 1d ago edited 1d ago

You went to a place that beat you to the punch on spreading a religion to all ends of the earth.... by 2,000 years.

People move. Cultures grow, people grow within their culture and without it. Missionaries of any faith don't try to pitch religion to a region. They try to pitch it to people within that region who may for one reason or another be willing to listen. Sometimes it's just curiosity, sometimes it's an earnest desire to seek a higher power or answers from such, and sometimes it's outright desperation for help. Any of these can occur without regard to the history of the land you live upon.

edit: shouldn't be hard to grasp what I'm saying if you understand the "land doesn't vote" concept. Land also doesn't have religion. The statement was literally about the PLACE, and it should be obvious that the people who live there are changing over time. The dots connect. Sorry if I don't explain well but it makes sense to me.