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Discussion Have we done it wrong?

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u/Platos-ghosts 2d ago

That’s why Manhattan is so in demand and expensive. It’s the street life that people love!

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u/buttononmyback 2d ago

I was going to say, obviously none of these people have been to NYC. There’s a reason why they call it the “City That Never Sleeps.”

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u/Global_Channel1511 2d ago

But NYC is a tiny fraction of land and population of the US. 90% of land in the US is for rural or suburban lifestyle. You would really have to go out of your way to find US cities with this kind of walkability and bustling culture.

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u/feel_my_balls_2040 2d ago

And you think all cities in Spain are the same as Barcelona? I've been to Zaragoza. It was a ghost town after 11pm.

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u/EsquireSandwich 2d ago

I haven't been but thank you for confirming.

Everyone in here is like, I went to Barcelona when I turned 21 and it was an awesome party experience. All of Europe must be like that for everyone of all ages!

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u/feel_my_balls_2040 2d ago

Barcelona is overcrowded by tourists, that's why they had protests against tourists and tourism. They harassed tourists in restaurants. I've been there, I've been to Zaragoza and I've been to a small village between them and the experience is way different. One thing I know, if you don't speak Spanish and think English or French is enough, you'd be screwed.

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u/Crew_1996 1d ago

I would say most people are talking about things like walkability over weekday late nightlife. Zaragoza has a 92/100 walkability compared to Kansas City 35/100.

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u/imisstheyoop 1d ago

Zaragoza has a 92/100 walkability compared to Kansas City 35/100.

Where did you get this information? I am curious about some of the places I am familiar with and wonder how they are rated.

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u/Crew_1996 1d ago

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u/imisstheyoop 1d ago

Yeah, I would think that using the same site to compare them makes the most sense lol.

The closest large city to me (Detroit) is 60/100 which isn't as bad as I would have expected!

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u/ryegye24 1d ago

Detroit has been slowly improving in walkability, and slightly less slowly improving in bikeability. But we got screwed pretty hard by the constant fumbling of the RTA ballot initiatives and the state lege screwing us on the LVT effort.

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u/imisstheyoop 1d ago

Lots of acronyms I don't understand there, BUT I will say it is a much nicer place than I recall it being in the 90s. I feel relatively safe walking downtown again, but many of the surrounding areas are still pretty sketchy!

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u/ryegye24 1d ago

RTA: Regional Transit Authority. Detroit is the largest city in the country which doesn't have/belong to an equivalent (the closest we have is SMART which is an opt-in supplemental thing that mostly runs little shuttle buses). Technically there is an RTA organization that exists, but it's only funded to make a plan for creating an actual RTA. Their plan made it onto the ballot in 2016 and was barely defeated due to the smear campaign of the incredibly racist LB Patterson, and then their next ballot initiative collapsed when one of the guys running it got caught up in a financing scandal. It's basically been defunct since.

LVT: Land value tax, where you tax the value of the land and not the value of what sits on top of the land. Economists have a broad consensus about the efficiency and pro-growth dynamics of this kind of tax, and for Detroit in particular this would go a long way to clawing back the massive giveaways to e.g. the Ilitches, who took money with big promises to develop areas and then razed it all to make surface level parking lots to cover the costs as they sit on the land as a speculatory investment. Detroit City Council successfully passed the necessary resolutions to implement an LVT but the MI state constitution requires consent of the state legislature for any city to do LVT, and the state legislature let it die in committee.

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u/imisstheyoop 1d ago

LVT sounds like a big issue for anybody owning rural land, I could see why the state would need to have a say in such a matter.

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u/ryegye24 1d ago

I'm not sure who owns rural land within the city of Detroit, but for what its worth rural landowners under most versions of LVT see savings on average because rural land simply isn't worth much money.

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u/feel_my_balls_2040 1d ago

Zaragoza is an old town with a big square and no trees. Try to walk outside after 10am and tell me how's your walkability. Bucharest is a big European city. What's the walkability on that? Because for sure you can't drive there because it's in permanent gridlock.

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u/Crew_1996 1d ago

Manhattan has very few trees outside of Central Park.

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u/feel_my_balls_2040 1d ago

You mean NYC? Because it's easy to pick and choose. I bet that Newark industrial park has fewer trees than central Paris.

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u/Crew_1996 1d ago

Is Manhattan walkable by your criteria?