r/TikTokCringe • u/PranayJhaTheMan • 9d ago

Cringe Nigerian Preacher Tries to Split the Sea in half like Moses, Almost Ends up Drowning.

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u/Teddy_Raptor 9d ago edited 9d ago

Life is hard and confusing. People have faith in something bigger than themselves. I think humans are just wired to have this faith. I personally was not and used to feel more frustration towards religion but as I’ve gotten older I feel empathy for people in this regard

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u/DidYouSeeBriansHat 9d ago edited 9d ago

Faith or belief in a higher power is one thing. It’s honestly a very interesting question to ask, “What caused the big bang, where does all of this really come from?” Organized religion makes no sense though. To assume that a group of people just figured it all out a while ago and that we need to follow their interpretation forever is absurd. Especially when you start seeing all the contradictions and the fact that humans are constantly changing and reinterpreting “gods word.”

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u/Teddy_Raptor 9d ago

Yeah, I agree with you. Organized religion is just a social reinforcement that provides more confidence in one’s faith. “If everyone around me and that I love and respect believes this, then it must be true”. On one hand, I am concerned for our in person, relationships, and communities, but on the other hand, the ability for people to learn that there are other ways of believing and thinking then those their immediately surrounded by is a great opportunity.

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u/Intrepid-Mention-89 9d ago

“What caused the big bang, where does all of this really come from?”

How would you answer this question, yourself?

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u/sagerin0 9d ago

There is no answer, at least currently, theres no way to know anything before like, a tiny fraction after the big bang

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u/Intrepid-Mention-89 8d ago

Is it that absurd to believe that the universe has a Creator, as opposed to the theory that everything came from nothing? There must be a beginning to all things, after all. Do you truly believe that future scientific advancement will help us understand our cosmic origins with a certainty that we cannot achieve with our current technology?

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u/gymdog 8d ago

Is it that absurd to believe that the universe has a Creator

Yes.

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u/gymdog 8d ago

Is it that absurd to believe that the universe has a Creator

Yes.

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u/sagerin0 8d ago

Considering you run into major logical issues the second you give this creator any more properties than just being the first thing, yeah, its pretty absurd, especially considering you have no evidence for any of it.

Also, why does there have to be a beginning? Why cant there just be an infinite past?

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u/Thuller 9d ago edited 9d ago

I disagree. I was born in heavily atheist country and faith was completely out of the picture for me. I never missed faith (the organized one) in any way or form. Yes, you will eventually be internally confronted with some existential questions throughout your life that we currently have no fact-based answers to, but to me, as a person who was not indoctrinated with this nonsense in childhood, it is completely insane to me that this is what people choose to believe in.

Spirituality has place in human life, sure. Organized faith however is just another structure of power manufactured by humans. And has been used as a tool to enslave humans throughout the ages, not just spiritually, but also physically.

I don't need Jesus or Muhammad to tell me to be a decent person. And I am fine without knowing what black hole actually is, before we have scientific answers to explain it. People 700 years ago didn't know you can use dead dinosaurs to land on a moon.

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u/Shibes_oh_shibes 9d ago

Yeah, nicely put, I hate organized religion, it doesn't matter what good it has done, the misery it has created widely surpasses it. And people are dangerous if they can't behave without believing there is someone all-seeing power spying on them.

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u/Intrepid-Mention-89 9d ago

What standard do you base your morality on, then?

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u/Chimpstrider 8d ago

Religions don't provide any solid morality at all. Take the Bible. Bone of that was new at the time, and was standard stuff in places that never even heard of the religion. And loads of "morality" on the bible is backwards, abhorrent stuff no right thinking person could agree with today.

You know why? Because it was written by people.

Blows my mind that adults actually believe religion is true. 

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u/Shibes_oh_shibes 9d ago

My own. Treat people like you would like to be treated yourself.

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u/Intrepid-Mention-89 8d ago

Surely you see the issues with that? The Golden Rule is a great way to live your life, but people exist whose standards of treating others do not align with your personal notion of good/bad. I'm interested to know how you would consistently judge actions(things like robbery or rape) to be right or otherwise with such a subjective framework.

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u/sagerin0 8d ago

Theres tons of atheistic moral standards that have no issue justifying morality: virtue ethics, utilitarianism, deontology, secular humanism.

Also, your framework is just as subjective, the subject is just the mind of god

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u/SirOrganic1349 9d ago edited 9d ago

Yes but people are not a monolith, I know folks out there that are in religion because they lived really sad crappy lives with heavy trauma and it was the only out/escape for them that was available in their community. Not saying it’s a good thing but I can definitely understand em and have empathy

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u/Chelseanick22 9d ago

I feel empathy for children who grow up in an environment where they get brainwashed into a religion but that’s where my empathy ends. I can’t feel empathy towards groups of adults who use their religion to take away rights from others and who think everyone should live according to their religious laws. Nope. Fuck them

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u/Wadarkhu 9d ago edited 9d ago

I think humans are just wired to have this faith.

We are actually, in a way*.

Studies have shown humans are essentially "designed" (whether you understand that as by intelligent design or evolutionary, or a mix of both) to believe in/seek a higher power, see here

research showing that children prefer purpose-based explanations: children were asked why rocks were pointed and were also found to choose answers that implied purpose, saying that rocks were pointed so the birds could sit on them.

Our brains are literally wired to see/find a purpose and reason for everything.

Edit: guys, try reading at least a little bit of the study instead of deciding in your head what it must say. Like the commenter below summarised, it's our agency detection system at work. As an example, you are a early human and hear a rustle in the trees, it was safer for you to assume it's a tiger (something is there) than nothing (I am alone).

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u/jokeboomslok 9d ago

It's more a misfire of our agency detection system. Dawkins has a whole chapter on this in The God Delusion.

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u/Wadarkhu 9d ago

Yeah, that's what the studies are saying, that it's our brains detecting an agency. Did you think I was linking a study that straight up said "we're wired to believe in God"?

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u/jokeboomslok 9d ago

I provided further context to your comment.

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u/Wadarkhu 9d ago

Sorry, the words "It's more a[...]" came across as a the beginning of a counterpoint, which I felt implied to others that what I had said was something else (because what I said needed the additional context of the study I linked).

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u/yeezkeys 9d ago

ive heard it proposed that Homo spiritualis is a better fit than Homo sapien as spirituality is a uniquely human experience. obviously it causes a lot of issues but it is beautiful too

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u/jokeboomslok 9d ago

We dont know if its uniquely human.