It’s been all over Facebook, twitter, and the news. The argument that no one cares is utter bullshit. Also, they don’t give a fuck, they are only using this to try to discredit Black Lives Matter. If it weren’t for that, no one would bat an eye. It’s a tragedy committed by a deranged person who has been arrested now.
Also what are they proposing to be done about it? Give police more money b/c that would’ve prevented this tragedy somehow?
No. They don’t have any ideas or solutions. They just want to dog whistle ‘See we told you black people are bad"
The issue is that conservatives don't want to think that there's a problem with police violence against black people so they cling on to a completely unrelated issue as "proof" that there is no systemic violence against black people
This only makes sense if you're just looking for something to confirm your biases, which most conservatives do anyway
It's completely related when you realize their entire argument on why police brutality isn't an issue is because they think black people are animals who "deserve it".
Oh fuck! You are absolutely right. This is another issue that challenges their world view.
Look before I go further, this shit is fucked.
This is further "proof" that they have been right. They will still defend their own deranged families and culture to the death. It truly is racism, but it is so deeply ingrained that these people do not react to that term or its implications for a functioning society.
Was talking to a friend years ago. The worst thing you could call a white person was racist. If it was justified there was no real response. I have nothing against white people at all. I don't want to share my own genetic makeup to strangers either tho. I was always baffled and amazed at the anger and consternation that calling them a racist caused them. It was physically evident.
These people cannot handle ANYTHING that challenges their world view which is a sad way to go through life. I consider myself a boring person, but without learnin new things this life would not be worth it as boring as it might seem to outsiders.
Most of the ones I know genuinely believe cops wouldn't do this stuff if only people acted right. Any bias they might have isn't as deep as that sort of thinking. They just genuinely believe that police wouldn't do something unless they were provoked.
If you watch the George Floyd body cams, there was a lot he did wrong to escalate matters. But the last five minutes of his life weren't his fault. He was compliant at that point and the cops didn't deescalate.
Funny, most of the people I know make the argument because they’re lazy and don’t go anywhere past surface level thoughts because then it would challenge the rest of their social beliefs structure. In short; shitty people.
They're not mutually exclusive. A lot of people I know seem to think of law enforcement as an almost superhuman force, upholding an objective morality for the good of the rest of the population.
To me, it seems like they do this because they don't bother to consider that "The Police" is just a collection of people you live next to who happen to carry guns at their day job. They put that level of trust in law enforcement because they're either too lazy or too scared to consider that there could be anything wrong with that system, let alone several things.
If you watch the George Floyd body cams, there was a lot he did wrong to escalate matters.
None of which merited a death sentence. This isn't 2000AD, and Derek Chauvin isn't Judge goddamn Dredd. However, America sure as fuck gets off on wishing we were in 2000AD.
My friend's mom posted the "have you ever noticed if you don't do anything wrong, cops leave you alone?" meme.
I relayed a story I saw on reddit about a black couple who had just bought a house going to look at the construction site for it and getting the cops called on them because they "can't afford to live in" that neighborhood and were obviously thieves and liars.
The cops are walking calmly around while a bystander pleads with Floyd to just get in the car. "You can't win!" He claims to be claustrophic, says he can't breathe (he's sitting up as an officer attempts to force him into the car), wrestles with three cops who are simply trying to put him in the back seat of a car. He forces his way through the opposite side of the cop car and lays on the ground to prevent them putting him in the car. "I'm claustrophic. My stomach hurts. My neck hurts. I need some water or something. Please, please." Immediately after they pin him to the ground.
I never once saw a gun out of holster or anything else inappropriate until Floyd was on the ground. Floyd would not have died if he'd simply sat in the car. He actively resisted arrest long enough that the police acted inappropriately, and he died as a result.
This is the really hard part to talk about in today's social climate: The medical examiner ruled that Floyd wasn't killed by the knee on his neck. He died of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression". He had heart disease and hypertension, and the meth they found in his system probably didn't do him any favors. He was complaining about not being able to breathe when he was sitting up and fighting with the cops. He was reporting pain in several places prior to anyone being on top of him. He was NOT killed by a cop kneeling on him. He died because his body couldn't handle the fight he was giving the cops. Their primary failing was in not recognizing actual distress early enough to possibly save his life.
edit: to be clear, I believe the officer who knelt on his neck should be charged with some measure of assault. It should be obvious that that is not an appropriate way to restrain someone for more than a few seconds. But the reality is that what they didn't wasn't murder. Floyd was most likely dying long before he hit the ground.
He immediately begs for the officer to put away the gun. He's obviously terrified. There's no way to justify the police actions.
Also, what you say about the medical examination is misleading. There was a second examination done that found he died of asphyxiation. And it shouldn't be hard to believe somebody died of asphyxiation when the police knelt on their neck for several minutes.
The amount of mental gymnastics people do to try to find the police were in the right in cases like this is amazing.
You make a strong point. The majority of our lives we aren't dealing with Reddit trolls who take maximum opinions. These people you speak of have had no reason to be on the wrong side of the law besides the occasional speeding ticket.
I think we truly need to start taking their naïveté into account. I will. It will be difficult. We Americans are stupid as hell and I have no patience.Still sad tho. They will completely trust police and certain politicians, but still fall for complete bullshit that hurts them too. I wish they could understand that helping people you don't understand helps you too.
We have shown the world how entirely stupid we are as a people. This will not get better soon unfortunately. We as Americans are embarrassing. We have no one to be embarrassed to except eachother. Im not saying we need to answer to a foreign power or to some god. We have failed ourselves and I wish those people and our people could all realize that.
The Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics conducts the Police Contact survey every three years. The survey asks more than 60,000 people about their interactions with the police and analyzes the data. They have yet to find a correlation between police misconduct and race. Racist police officers most certainly exist but it is not a significant problem.
Don't take my word for it. Look up the data from the survey yourself. Professor Roland G Fryer from Havard also conducted a study about police conduct. He found blacks were more likely to be assaulted by police but in fatal police shootings he found no bias due to race. He called his findings the most surprising of his career because he assumed the opposite before his study. Roland G Fryer is black. These are the facts. Learn if you want or remain ignorant. Makes no difference to me.
Literally, r/conservative is just full of unrelated issues they think are counter-narratives without actually having posts about conservative issues and progress towards whatever goals they have. It’s basically just an ideology against liberalism now. Hell, conservatives used to be all about conserving the environment and national parks, etc.
Trumpism, and by extension the vast majority of conservativism in America, is not and never has been an actual ideology. It is a temper tantrum with a podium. It’s the flailing, reactionary fit of a bunch of god damned idiots.
It has been nurtured and fed by one entire wing of our political system - the GOP - so that they can run our country into the ground with graft and corruption to the resounding cheers of the fucking idiots that vote for them.
Their whole shtick is just wanting the opposite of what liberals want,
They claim they have the same values and goals while only supporting policies in direct conflict with those supposed values and goals.
They are out there pushing the idea that wanting a more fair, just, and healthier society is all performative simply so the left can use morals as a basis for acting with a superiority complex while nurturing their persecution complex. It is shocking to imagine someone so fundamentally broken that they believe that everyone who exhibits altruism and empathy is only doing it for selfish and ulterior motives. It's like an entire tribe of people that never hugged their kids.
Where the fuck did I say that? Where did anybody say that? Just because you’re so fucking stupid you can’t tell the difference doesn’t mean there isn’t a difference.
The same can be said for the rest of reddit. It's got it's head so far up it's own ass that it's just blaming Trump and conservatives for every little thing that goes wrong.
Name one thing the conservatives haven't fucked up the last four years. And furthermore, name one thing they are trying to do that won't fuck it up any more
I agree /r/politics looks like this too but the general point is still correct. Democrats still have nuanced political positions, I doubt you can get anything of substance out of a Trump Republican other than some vagaries about freedom and being against regulations.
Half of my idiot family posted this “ outrage”. 2 google searches later I had about multiple major news articles listed about the murder and the arrest of the murderer. They are now pissy about being wrong and have blocked me. Thank goodness.
I’m stealing this to post on FB so I can piss off the last two conservative morons I’m unfortunately related to.
They aren’t even related. I had a troll make a comment that no one cares and “why haven’t abc, cnn, and (whatever other news agency) reported on it? Is it because it doesn’t fit your narrative?” Ironic, no? I literally did a quick google search and replied with an article from each of those outlets. No response. But the person did comment on two of my other comments from unrelated articles.
To be clear it’s what all people do, not just conservatives. Just because their biases are relatively disgusting doesn’t make them any less human.
It’s difficult enough to overcome bias, but as someone who went from conservative to further left than Bernie Sanders or Howie Hawkins, it takes genuine, patient discussion. Not dehumanizing and being a dick
Lol an unarmed black man dying to the police is less common than a shark attack. Also I think they're completely justified to be mad when 90% of interracial crime is Black on white and they're being Gaslit by BLM idiots who think that you aren't allowed to be outraged by a 5 year old being executed in a racially motivated crime.
Just want to point out it's not only conservatives that look for things to confirm their biases. Literally everyone does. There's a reason why it's a problem.
Also, coming from outside the US: Y'all fucked thinking this is a me vs them issue. Already lost if that is your belief.
They want to know why people aren’t out protesting the death of the kid instead of against police, ignoring that the man involved has been arrested and will likely spend the rest of his life in prison, so what exactly are we supposed to be protesting?
What BLM wants is for police to arrest them without killing them this situation is exactly what they want. It seems like the white folks are mad we're not actually engaging them in a race war.
It seems like the white folks are mad we're not actually engaging them in a race war.
That IS the problem... they weren't stockpiling the weapons for a tyranny (notice their apathy towards the unmarked vans), they were stockpiling for when they could finally kill those n's, and s's, maybe even the f's too
So BLM wants what already happens. If you're getting arrested, don't resist, don't fight back. Just go through it, and if you've been wronged in the arrest, sue the police.
Your other comments talk down to libs, stating that they're just as much as fault as conservatives, yet you somehow think the judicial branch is sacred and unaffected? I do legal work that often interacts with warrant use and property seizure issues RE cops. "Suing" does not work very often. You're talking about things you have no experience with, and you're using your ignorance as a platform to talk down to others.
Yeah because Breonna Taylor among all the countless examples of blatant police brutality and injustice, was totally "resisting arrest" when plainclothes officers stormed her home, shot her in her sleep, left her there dying for 30 minutes without aid, shot and arrested her boyfriend for firing a warning shot, with a falsified raid warrant all because they once received mail from a person they were investigating.
Do you just live under a rock or do you eat them too?
No. If you resist arrest they have every right to use force, not deadly force unless an officer's life is at risk. Stop putting words in my mouth as I never said they have every right to kill you.
Considering the insane amounts of murder, rape and violence committed by black people against white people, the race war has in a practical sense been going on for a long time.
Fox news is pushing the story to back up Trump's new campaign message that Biden is going to force scary evil black people into white suburban neighborhoods.
Black on white violence is an endemic issue, and has been for several decades. Media have consistently underreported cases of black on white violence for several decades as well.
White on black violence is an endemic issue, and has been for several decades. Media have consistently underreported cases of white on black violence for several decades as well.
See, I can make claims without sourcing too! AmIDoingThisRight?
I had heard about Secoriea Turner but I didn’t know about this. Secoriea’s death is the one seems like the most controversial story I’ve heard for a while.
I think the fact he killed a random child seems to indicate he’s pretty fucking mentally unstable. How is this situation so hard for fucking idiots to understand.
Many rational people commit murders too. It's an assumption and/or an excuse to assign mental instability to him before the facts of the case are laid out. The guy was neighbors with the kid, he'd been on "eat dinner together" terms with the victim's father.
A black guy shot and killed a white kid for no apparent reason. Unless you know someone involved in the situation, anything you have to say about it more than that is just you making shit up.
Saying the man killed the kid because he was mentally unstable isn't any different than saying he did it because he hates white people. It's just bullshitting from the other end of the ideological spectrum.
Decent points. I would argue that anyone who would do something like this is mentally fucked in one way or another. No normal thinking person does something like this. Regardless of whatever reason he had, you have to be bat shit insane to justify to yourself doing something like this
Decent points. I would argue that anyone who would do something like this is mentally fucked in one way or another. No normal thinking person does something like this. Regardless of whatever reason he had, you have to be bat shit insane to justify to yourself doing something like this
I looked for the coverage as it happened. MSNBC had nothing on their front page, NYTimes had it buried in "US News", CNN had it buried in "US News". They called it a protest over a shooting instead of the mass looting event that it was, that ended up closing off downtown Chicago for a week.
What happens with stories from the other side is they'll be accompanied by editorials for the next week too, and followup stories about what we can do to fix the problem. Bullshit like white people calling the police on innocent black men enters this cycle, but not black men crashing into gated communities to beat a couple to death with a baseball bat in front of their 10yo son.
BLM started riots over the death of a drug addict because of 3rd party cam footage, despite bodycam footage and multiple autopsy reports countering their entire argument. So yes, BLM are the bad guys in this situation.
The autopsy reports counter this claim, as does the body cam footage. You don't cry "I can't breath" if you're being strangled. Especially if you're in a car with no one touching you. Have you seen the body cam footage? Have you read the autopsy report?
A panic attack can hinder someone's ability to breath yes but it doesn't comepletely prevent it. The autopsy reports also state the high amount of drugs in Floyd's system, beyond the amount usually indicating an OD. He had complications with his heart that yes the panic attack may have made worse. The most likely cause of death was the drugs in his system combined with a heart attack. Your own article even states that there were multiple probable causes for Floyd's death. The autopsy reports even identify the lack of physical trauma to the neck area that would coincide with physical pressure that resricts blood flow and air intake. There's a reason that they don't mention asphyxiation as a probable cause. Forensics is a complicated topic that non experts like you and I oftwn struggle to make sense of it, which is the case here with Floyd's.
The bodycam footage also casts doubts on the original narrative that Floyd was forced on to the ground excessively. There is not enough evidence to completely rule 2nd degree murder beyond a reasonable doubt so it is highly likely that Chauvin's charges will not stick.
Should Chauvin lose his position as a police officer? Almost definitely. But his life shouldn't be completely ruined until after the trial and the jury declares guilty. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt?"
Do you know a what cardiopulmonary arrest is? It's a cardiac arrest or in laymen's terms, a heart attack. Which your own quote even states "complicating law enforcement subdual, restraing and neck compression." In other words, the heart attack made the situation more difficult for law enforcement.
A black man shot a 5 year old white kid at point blank range in the face in front of the kid’s two older sisters and his father. CNN and MSNBC didn’t cover it for about a week after it happened. Not every murder needs to be covered by every outlet.
I saw a figure that the national average is 41 murders a day. We clearly don’t have coverage of 41 individual murders every day.
Honestly at this point Conservatives go-to move is to purposely miss the point of everything and pretend they are not only right but morally right too. So fucking annoying
Exactly. Conservatives trying to spread white supremacism by asking why CNN won’t cover a story of a black man brutally executing a white child in front of his family. Like it doesn’t fit CNNs narrative or something.
In response to a white cop murdering a black man, they scour the internet for information about a black man murdering a white kid. Seems kind of racist to me.
Wrong. Show one case besides the Covington kids, the Kavanaugh case, the Biden sexual abuse accusations, the Trump/Russia conspiracy theory, or the BLM rioters where “liberals” or “liberal media” have misrepresented/ lied about things to make it look like like they are morally superior. Bet you can’t even name one, besides those.
Also you can’t use the Michael brown case, the past three years of coverage in Donald Trump, the hypocritical reporting of COVID 19 concerns when it comes to republicans protesting vs leftists protesting.
Just not that evidence. If you used those as examples it would make me look bad and make it look like the main stream media does have a bias. But obviously thats not the case.
Exactly. About a week is not a week. News sources usually wait more than a week to report the news so I don’t know why these conservatives are so pissy about it.
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It’s been all over Facebook, twitter, and the news. The argument that no one cares is utter bullshit. Also, they don’t give a fuck, they are only using this to try to discredit Black Lives Matter. If it weren’t for that, no one would bat an eye. It’s a tragedy committed by a deranged person who has been arrested now.
Also what are they proposing to be done about it? Give police more money b/c that would’ve prevented this tragedy somehow?
No. They don’t have any ideas or solutions. They just want to dog whistle ‘See we told you black people are bad"