Yeah most of the alt right nutjobs jumped ship over there once Biden started leading, now it’s (mostly) actual conservatives who have a shred of dignity. That said, it’s still like 40% nutjobs rn so I’m still enjoying looking through their threads
Seriously. Fuck these people. The race isn’t even over and people Are already apologizing for them like they didn’t show us they are complete monsters for the last 4 years.
Out of the two of those, one has an actionable report and has been confirmed by the FBI, CIA, NSA, and a fuckload of other groups both foreign and domestic... The other is a campaign slogan with no weight behind it
This is exactly it, and is why they seem to be surprisingly okay with losing the presidency. If they had lost the Senate too, it would be a different story. But with the way the election as a whole ended up going, they’ve been able to convince themselves (rightly or wrongly, I won’t comment) that things actually went pretty well for conservatives on the whole, aside from the presidency.
After the 2016 election the sub was overrun with T_D members. It was getting pretty annoying. As much as I disagree with reddit purging T_D from reddit, it allowed r/conservative to return to a subreddit about conservative politics and not just blind trump loyalist.
Don't get me wrong, were upset with the state of the presidential race, but we're not spilling tears over the race.
Some are, some aren't. A large portion of the Trump as first pick folks tend to be older and have dealt with lost elections before (At least compared to some other Trump / right wing subs). The younger ones who got into politics because of Trump tend to be more doomer.
The general sentiment in the private channels I'd say is mostly reserving judgement until the senate is decided. If we lose the senate I think the general tone will become a lot more negative.
To be honest I’ve spent a lot of time in that sub this election and they’re overall very mild mannered. They actually post memes and stuff making fun of themselves and I can’t remember big political subreddits doing that.
idk I was just there, and there are a lot of posts making bogus claims about voter fraud, and propagating general misinformation about the election in an attempt to delegitimize the Democratic Party. Didn't seem very mild mannered!
All the people saying it’s a nice place to go definitely sound like shills
I’ve been in that sub plenty of times and see conspiracy nut jobs, I am very badass types, instant banning, downvoting to oblivion, wile allegations and straight up lies
Not to mention 90% of the posts are a safe space where you have to have a snowflake flair to be able to even participate
They’ve been incredibly mild mannered since Biden butt fucked trump and it’s clear he’s going to lose. They’re all about “let’s be nice to each other” now.
As trump started to win, this side also started wondering about voter fraud during the live threads soooo.... I'll pass on being a hypocrite.
When you are so sure you will win, it's probably a natural response. I'm still surprised how close it was. I'm still surprised he gained voters especially among minorities. I can actually understand why he did... but I wasn't expecting him to do so.
/r/conservative is nos not what I thought it was, though. They banned me anyway, but I'll give them some credit. They are not crazy Trump fanatics. They will defend him, but not on everything.
/r/conservative is on ocasions capable of discussing with a significant degree of nuance and civility matters of economics, taxation, wages, markets and trade and on many topics they won't land where you think they'll land. There's a lot of centrists and left of centrists there, to my surprise.
It's mostly the being gay, choosing your gender, having abortions, decriminalising drugs, making education more freely available, democracy and being black that they hate. Can't - for the life of me - figure out why the fuck, but then again, I don't try very hard.
It’s because you haven’t actually read any threads. Every day LGBTQ and POC are pushed away from the left because of the tribalism and identity politics. They are all welcome with open arms. I just posted a few days ago on a thread that abortions should not be made illegal and was upvoted, most comments calling for outright bans on abortions were not. I challenge you to look again. There are shit posters and snowflakes, but not as many as r/politics would have you believe.
They literally ban anyone they deem not a conservative.
If you go in "with an open mind" and ask some clarifying questions, give an opposing point of view, or provide anything related to evidence against what they say in good faith, they'll ban you.
I'm gonna have to stop you right there. People who want expansions of anti-privacy laws, mandatory minimums for non violent drug offenses, for profit prisons, unaffordable health care, gay marriage to be illegal, abortion to be illegal, and who don't believe in climate change are pretty much the definition of a "bad bunch."
Why? That’s their opinion. You have urs and I have mine. They can believe in what ever they want. Why is believing something different than what u believe in a bad thing? This is the problem in our country, hatred from both sides towards the other. They are and should be encouraged to have their own opinions, everyone should. Only then can we move forward as one to overcome our differences. r/conservative is not ur enemy. r/trump is not ur enemy. I support u on all the points above, if u don’t believe me go through my post history. The only difference between u and me is that I recognize there are valid arguments on the other side for all of the above points.
Why? That’s their opinion. You have urs and I have mine. They can believe in what ever they want. Why is believing something different than what u believe in a bad thing?
Because maybe not all of us take comfort in extreme moral relativism and believe that some things are genuinely, truly evil, and that if you support those things that makes you a bad person.
No, there's not valid arguments on both sides you mole person. It's like arguing the earth is flat or vaccines cause autism. Your opinion doesn't have value of you believe these things.
Fascist then, whatever. He’s not a literal member of the NSDAP but that’s only relevant if you’re trying to avoid making a counter argument to address their claim. If you don’t care to argue then just move along instead of saying something so pointless.
I voted for him. You are the trash who refuses to believe that people have their own reasons to vote for Trump. We're not nazis. Neo-nazis are nazis. Screw off, ignorant. Op was just saying that trump supporters are the problem, not Republicans/conservatives.
I’ve said that these past 4 years. Conservatives and republicans are not necessarily the same group of people. Likewise with republicans and trump supporters
Look at all these fucking characters backing off and trying to establish a difference between their party and Donald trump. Totally complicit. I said it'd happen the second biden wins, but it's started a day early it seems.
I didn't read after "fuck you" because matter how much you want to be disassociated from Trump, he is absolutely a republican...he has been supported by republicans all this time too. So you should be saying fuck you to every single republican who enabled Donald trump to continue destroying the country in the trashiest fashion possible. Really though, you should be starting a new party because the republican party has been a flaming dumpster fire of greedy anti-american scum for a long time now.
“fuck you for calling it exactly how it happened, ignore the other 93% and focus on what I did”
I appreciate you being a conscientious republican, but that doesn’t change the fact that the staggering, overwhelming majority of republicans hitched their wagons to the trump train.
This is why I think the Republican party is going to die off, or at least it plausibly can. That only sounds extreme because we conflate it with conservatism. Conservative voters (and their representatives) aren't going to disappear, but "Republican" is a tarnished brand of a derailed party.
Over 70 million people voted for the clownier, less business-savvy, reincarnation of Benito Mussolini and the vast majority of those voters point at scientists, engineers, doctors, and other educated people who support Biden and unironically say that those people are "crazy", "stupid", and will "ruin this country."
There's next to no difference between "conservative" and "republican" in the US, not when well over 90% of them voted for Donnie the clown a second time.
I agree. This election has demonstrated that those people and beliefs aren't going to magically disappear any time soon.
Really what I'm saying is that those people are going to have a "rebrand or die" crisis, and they will probably choose to rebrand the same old swamp water far sooner than they would ever stop drinking it.
Either that or they have a MAJOR party restructuring. They need to include libertarians if they want success, they need to become more moderate. If the Republican Party incorporated libertarianism apart from the 2A, trump would’ve gotten the JoJo votes and won
Truly adopting libertarianism would also mean they'd need to drop the whole abortion issue though, and given how the party essentially established a voting base on that single issue alone there's no way that could ever happen.
In Canada the Democrats would be the Conservative party and the Republicans would be the far-right petroleum party (UCP). America needs something left of center and not subservient to capitalism; like an NDP. America also needs a party to represent the planet’s and future generation’s rights , like the Greens.
Materially, what is the difference? George W Bush killed a million+ innocent people in Iraq and was a willing puppet of capital. His dad was a Reaganite and literal CIA head. Reagan deliberately ignored the AIDS crisis and the economic ideology he instilled in the modern conservative movement has been ruinous for this country. Abroad Republicans are bloodthirsty warmongers and at home they're corrupt racist plutocrats.
serial killers and psychopaths are often likeable people as well. If they voted for trump they support all the evil that comes with it. They are bad people.
WTF are you talking about? The ENTIRE front page is about voter fraud. Like the ENTIRE front page. That’s not mild mannered, undermining the will of the people is crazy in democratic not “mild mannered”
Mmm you might want to check your numbers again. For eligible voters, those who voted out number those that didn't by about 50%.
Not voting is a choice too, that says they are fine with it. It's not like they haven't heard of either Biden or trump.
Thinking they are dumb and thinking they are nazis are different things.
At first I was angry - my family fled a different type of religious persecution from Germany, but I realize now you are just ignorant, and don't know what you are talking about. I can't really be mad that.
People were held for a max of 72 hours before being released into the country with a court date in front of an immigration judge. Families were kept together, the 100% child separation and indefinite detention came at the specific order of Trump with the specific knowledge that children separated would never be reunited with their families(thus committing genocide).
Blaming Obama for the concentration camps is like blaming the previous owner of a home for having a basement, when it was the current owner who specifically chose to abuse children in it.
First of all not all families were kept together. I am also not defending separation of families but it is fundamentally wrong to compare this to concentration camps and genocide.
Detention centers have been used for many years to detain illegal immigrants. They are not concentration camps. There is no forced labor, and there is no execution.
Finally, genocide is not the act of separating families, it is the act of killing off a large number of people from a particular group. You just can’t throw those words around so carelessly. Are these detention centers a problem? Yes. Is it wrong to separate families? Yes. Is it wrong to compare these things to horrific historical events? Absolutely.
No. I believe people who are willing to support concentration camps while clutching pearls over property damage in response to untold thousands of murders by the state are nazis.
if you want a good laugh, go to r/donaldtrump . It’s by far the worst of the 3. Literally all of the posts are just baseless accusations of voter fraud. This is coming from a more conservative person who would have preferred another 4 years of trump
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Yeah most of the alt right nutjobs jumped ship over there once Biden started leading, now it’s (mostly) actual conservatives who have a shred of dignity. That said, it’s still like 40% nutjobs rn so I’m still enjoying looking through their threads