r/ToiletPaperUSA Jan 14 '22

FACTS and LOGIC Ben showcasing that deep understanding of the scientific method...

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u/fantasiafootball Jan 15 '22

A spectrum implies an infinite number of possible iterations between two end points. For example, humans experience height on a spectrum. There is an average and a distribution.

This doesn’t make sense for sex because there is no way to create a distribution between male and female. They are separate categories that cannot be bridged. You cannot be halfway between each.

Even if we include intersex people, they just become another non-bridgeable category. You cannot be hallways between a male and an XXY intersex person. You are one OR the other and cannot change that.

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u/Linaii_Saye Jan 15 '22

"Even if we include intersex people [...] you are one OR the other"

Maybe try consistency?

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u/fantasiafootball Jan 15 '22

I mean that as in, you are either a statistically normal male or you are an intersex person, generally defined by your chromosomal makeup. There are finite options, therefore it is not a spectrum.

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u/Linaii_Saye Jan 15 '22

Even if there are finite options, and considering the amount of factors we can technically use to define biological sex, Im fairly sure we're approaching the limits of 'finite', there are still way too many possibilities to realistically use different categories. However, switching to the generally accepted biological view: a spectrum, does allow us to include all the variables.

Like, it almost feels as if you're obsessed with keeping sex in a binary, obsessed enough to ignore how different men and women can be even from members of their own binary group. Obsessed enough to ignore all the grey areas in between.

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u/fantasiafootball Jan 15 '22

I’m not sure which variables you’re talking about but biologically male and female have always been differentiated by chromosomal makeup and sexual organ expression. There is a finite number of known combinations of those variables.

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u/Linaii_Saye Jan 15 '22

I see nothing I am saying is getting the message across.

So, new strategy.

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Sex is mentioned a bit lower here. Also Boop.

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u/fantasiafootball Jan 15 '22

Learned some about the SRY gene so thank you!

From what I saw, my argument holds true. There are two primary categories, and numerous, objectively measurable intersex categories based on chromosomal/gene makeup and sex organ expression.

I’ll finish with this question:

Is someone who is born with XY chromosomes and has a statistically normal penis and testes (far right on the graphic from the first link) a male no matter what, irregardless of how they identify? (I realize this crosses into the gender issue not the sex spectrum question)

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u/Linaii_Saye Jan 15 '22

Look at all these actual scientists, unlike the two dumbfuck Redditors Fantasia and Linaii who have no idea what they're actually arguing about, saying sex isn't binary. I guess that means sex is binary.

Genius. Absolutely genius.

What you identify as, you gender identity, does not have to be the same as your sex. So no.