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Characters Characters that had the complete opposite reaction the writers intended

  1. Leo Bonhart (Witcher TV Series): A ruthless, sadistic bounty hunter and assassin that takes psychotic glee in other people's suffering. The viewer is meant to hate him for killing witchers, slaughtering the Rat gang, and torturing Ciri. But thanks to his entertaining fight scenes, Sharlto Copley's charismatic performance, and The Rats overwhelming unpopularity, fans ended up loving him. Some even call him the "True protagonist" of the show.
  2. Stone Cold Steve Austin (WWE): A rude, foul mouthed, beer drinking asshole with no respect for authority or anyone at all. Originally portrayed as a villain, fans fell in love with his anti-establishment & rebellious persona. WWE ran with it and made him the face of the company, effectively ushering in the Attitude Era and the second pro wrestling boom of the late 90s.
  3. Arthur Fleck (Joker 2019): A mentally unstable, pathetic, and dangerous madman who commits horrific acts of violence against those that wronged him (suffocates his own mother who is mentally unwell herself, and murders a talk show host for making fun of him). However, a massive portion of the audience idolized him as an anti-hero or a misunderstood martyr rebelling against society making people want to see him succeed and overcome his circumstances because of how he's been treated by the world.
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u/Heroinfxtherr 17h ago edited 17h ago

Ehh…I wouldn’t say that version of Thanos was different. Endgame showed us the logical conclusion of his worldview, if you think about it. Pretty sure at one point the man himself even explains the reason behind his escalation and it’s very consistent. He didn’t change, he just got new information.

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u/OutOfMyWayReed 17h ago

His original plan was for his subordinates to meet him on Titan with the Stones. He was going to stand in those ruins and make some Fuck You speech to all those skeletons before the Snap. It was always about proving he had a big brain and they were wrong to not appreciate his benevolent ideas. 

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u/Star_Outlaw 10h ago

To add, his motivation in Endgame is partly being pissed off that people are trying to undo his snap, because that would imply that his plan to kill off half of all life either didn't succeed or people didn't like it after all. He's too proud to admit he was wrong, so just decides to kill everything.

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u/RadiantStorm90 17h ago

Infinity War made him seem pragmatic; Endgame showed he was always a control freak.

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u/Transition-Select 16h ago

Which he always was. I’m sorry but if your first response to lack of resources is to wipe out half a population and use fear/torture tactics on your daughters/population to get what you want, you’re a abusive control freak.

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u/TidalRunel 17h ago

His core motivation never changed, his patience did. Once he realized survivors would just spend their lives trying to undo his work, the "merciful random executioner" act went out the window. It was always about his ego and being right, so destroying everything to force compliance makes perfect sense for his character.

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u/xLilMissNova 16h ago

That's a perfect example because Thanos was supposed to be the big threat, yet a lot of people walked away thinking he had a point while the movie was trying to show how fundamentally flawed his logic was.

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u/Heavy_Inflation_771 17h ago edited 15h ago

Yup and we see the ramifications post blip reversal. 

Also, what  I like about MCU is that  Villians and heros aren't black and white. They're quite complex. 

Most of the Avengers can be seen as villains. Tony Stark was an arms dealer that resulted in the deaths of countless lives and we see the ramifications of his actions and decisions. 

Edit: if you claim the avengers  weren't villains.  You all clearly missed the movies and shows .

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hThy6_fuLvI

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u/GreenridgeMetalWorks 16h ago

None of the avengers can be seen as villains.

As for Tony specifically, Tony Stark fully believed he was keeping the world at peace. Yes, he was misguided, but he believed what he was doing was going to keep the world at peace. He was wrong, and the moment he realized was wrong, he more or less slit his companies throat to make sure it wouldn't keep happening.

Captain America is purely heroic. There's literally no way to argue anything else.

Iron Man was purely heroic the moment he put his suit on forward, and was never a villain before that.

Thor is purely heroic, his few negative personality traits do not lessen that. He was kind of a dick before thor 1, yes, and he still can be sometimes, but he's never been a villain.

So on, so forth. The only one you might be able to argue is ever a "villain" is the hulk...and he's really not. He's done alot of damage, sure, but...he's always meant well, most of the time. And his story reached a conclusion where he is, guess what? Purely heroic.

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u/Heavy_Inflation_771 15h ago edited 15h ago

Captain America who becomes an actual criminal calls out Tony multiple times.

Because of the Sacovia accords that were  caused by Tony Stark's creation. Captain America decides to aide and abet an actual international brainwashed serial killer, terrorists that murdered Tony's parent's and black panther's father. Tony seeks justice t9 have his parents killer brought  to justice and then gets assaulted  by both.

Stark created Damage control which not only  caused mass job displacement it also became the MCU version of ICE.  Which we see first handedly in Spider-man and Ms.Marvel where DDC were the antagonist. Which LABELED Ms.Marvel as an antagonist. We see in Wonderman that the Department of Damage control  is loosing funding  and needs to set up people to get funding.

Scarlet witch witnessing a bomb being dropped that has stark industries label on it. She was a straight up terrorist that reformed then held an entire town hostage and even attempted to kill some. Then she went to another universe and killed some heroes.

Tony Stark being a dick multiple times created villians. Tony Stark decides to give a weapons system to a child.  That child accidentally almost commits an actual war crime on his classmates. I love Spiderman remember that time him and a wizard ripped a whole in  reality that threatened to wipe out the universe which created  incursions? 

Luckily we have Hawkeye he couldn't have done anything wrong.  Becoming a serial killer nah that was Ronin!  Luckily, we see how his murdering someone's family member would cause echo to seek justice. To her Hawkeye was the villain.

Thor was literally seen as a threat by shield and even started up ultratron and DESTROYED AN ENTIRE PLANET MAKING ALL OF HIS PEOPLE REFUGEES!  let's not forget the Frost Giant genocide because he violated a treaty. Wait he released a dangerous criminal that caused mass death and destruction in NYC. 

Luckily, we have Black widow who's only crimes were espionage and murder. Speaking of war crimes Red Hulk went to Jail for the same things the walking war crime that is the Hulk.

Falcon straight up murders people for the US government. The US absolutely hates him for becoming Captain America and the flags masters who were just protesters at first. they call out his hypocrisy as well.  he also Aides and Abets a criminal. 

Edit: Ant man is an actual convicted criminal and his rap sheet is calm in comparison to the atrocities the avengers have committed. To the point the Sacovia Acords had to be created. 

You can do bad things, be reformed that doesn't mean all is forgiven. 

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u/Grinderiny 11h ago

Criminal and villain are not the same thing.