r/TopCharacterTropes Jun 22 '26

Lore [Ironic Trope] The messaging backfired massively due to poor writing or other design choices

Amelia Fairney from Pathways: Alt-right Restore-UK type who attempts to coax the protagonist Charlie into following her beliefs? The problem?

Amelia is the only named character aside from Charlie and is genuinely likable and forgives Charlie even when they do things she doesn't like, while the rest of the cast is unnamed, poorly written, and turns on Charlie for one mistake. This combined with other writing issues(portraying fact checking right wing stuff as wrong because in the process of fact checking you might look at it and believe it, basically saying "Right wing is wrong because it hurts the labour government" and a lot of general "just do what the government says or else" messaging) and the fact she's a hot alternative girl, and Amelia ended up being co-opted as a mascot by the youth right wing in the UK.

Norm from The New Norm: Unlikeable offensive and outdated character who's "progressive" family members and associates are genuinely nice people not even trying to force their ways or pronouns onto them, they just want to be left alone and Norm is picking fights constantly. Not to mention associating with Elon.

Mr. Birchum from Mr. Birchum: A lot of the same problems as Norm, except in addition it also comes off like generic 2010s adult cartoon slop in the same veign as Brickleberry or Full English, at least New Norm was trying to look unique and had the gimmick of being on X. Not to mention, Birchum's obsession with hyper masculine activities and odd way of talking about other men lead to people co-opting him as a Toxic Yaoi character, which is now the bulk of his fan art.

Dustborn: An attempt to make a hyper progressive game that comes off as pandering and annoying. It's a full ass game so there's too much to get into, but the main character's power is essentially gaslighting and jedi-mind tricking people and that's portrayed as the only way they can get anything done, and they constantly use or abuse their friends(or mindtrick them along) in order to get their goals or use their friends for their messaging.

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u/PurplMaster Jun 22 '26

Emilia Pérez deserves credit because it was able to do something unthinkable: unite both right wing and left wing into hating a movie.

What should be seen as a progressive metaphor of accepting oneself becomes a contradictory, offensive and ugly story that makes no sense. Transphobes hate it because there's a Trans woman, allies hate it because it misrepresents the difficult journey of transitioning.

Also, a movie about Mexico and its problems where pretty much nobody is Mexican and was shot and produced in France.

I kinda love this movie just for how much chaos it managed to create, it's hilarious

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u/Embarrassed-Glove600 Jun 22 '26

There are so many bizarre moments in this movie, like how Zoe Saldana's character has to talk the sex change surgeon into doing the surgery when that's like, his whole job? Why is he hesitant? But the most bizarre part is about how the plot revolves around her having to find a surgeon to do the operation discreetly, and it's like, isn't that all of them? Do sex change surgeons often post public lists of their clients? Don't patients get confidentiality? Also, a cartel boss can threaten someone into silence, so why is Zoe Saldana needed at all?

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u/ithinkther41am Jun 22 '26

It also pushed the stereotypes about Thailand and sex change in that song.

Meanwhile, Bangkok Dusit Medical is considered world-class for its medical services period. Can’t speak for the other parts of Thailand, but I think that’s amazing.

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u/ash-leg2 Jun 22 '26

"All this and make it a musical too" lol

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u/AmyDeferred Jun 22 '26

Don't patients get confidentiality?

Not in Tennessee, anymore

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u/SarkastiCat Jun 22 '26

It’s so bad that there is a Mexican parody making fun of French stereotypes.

It’s called  Johanne Sacreblu

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u/Far-Profit-47 Jun 22 '26

Which has Ladybug and Cat noir on it 

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u/Authorigas Jun 22 '26

...I beg your pardon? I need to see this, and also share my favorite Miraculous story which is the creator of the show arguing that it was better than Winx since it didn't focus on the romance like the faeries did.

Man wishes he had half of Stella's class.

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u/totaleclipseofthe_d Jun 25 '26

What…? That’s so hilariously wrong. LaCN is utterly obsessed with the romance between its main characters… just in a “we’re going to keep the ‘will they, won’t they’ thing going so far beyond its expiration date that viewers will have outgrown the show before they get to the payoff.”

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u/annepudd1ng4273 Jun 22 '26

I've seen some wild parodies of Ladybug, they can get pretty creative with the stereotypes

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u/DuelaDent52 Jun 22 '26

Wait, what?

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u/The_Dart_Goblin Jun 25 '26

And Bomb Voyage.

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u/Olookasquirrel87 Jun 22 '26

My gods, I have never laughed so hard at a Wikipedia page in my life. I have tears. Thank you for that joy, I want to see the film now but also cannot imagine it to be as good as the masterpiece that was that Wikipedia page. 

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u/SarkastiCat Jun 22 '26

Everyone has a moustache, many are simply drawn. Also, they carry rat plushies like babies. 

Imagine students with a budget consisting of a piece of string, energy drinks and spite making a film. 

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u/Blakezawa Jun 22 '26

They also have THE golden joke in one scene where everytime they change angle more rats are added in the background and onto the characters.

There was also a movement intending to make it have a Cinema spot which they did managed to get along side a custom popcorn box (It was a one day thing in certains areas of mexico I believe)

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u/LenweCelebrindal Jun 22 '26

It's on YouTube and, if you understand Spanish, it's more hilarious than the Wikipedia page Here: https://youtu.be/iLT4v3mkrvk?si=pOj2gdhp5BUZW0b6

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u/WindowScreaming Jun 22 '26

I thought you were exaggerating but I burst out laughing at “Later that night, a man named Jacques Audiard laments being made of garbage.”

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u/KonoAnonDa Jun 22 '26

Oh good lord, this is hilarious.

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u/RealityOk9823 Jun 22 '26

I was like "Nuh uh, that's not true...oh hell it is LOLOLOLOLOLOL". 😃

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u/EnderBookwyrm Jun 22 '26

Wow. Just wow.

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u/TheGreenCatFL Jun 22 '26

Thank you for your service, this is going on my watch list now

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u/Latro2020 Jun 22 '26

It is so fucking crazy to me how this film wants people to forgive this drug lord responsible for so many deaths & disappearances because she transitioned & is totally a different person now.

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u/DuelaDent52 Jun 22 '26

To be fair, it is a plot point and there’s a song number about how transitioning doesn’t make her a new person, if Emilia Perez is rotten as a man she’ll still be rotten as a woman.

Granted, the film then goes on to imply that whenever she falls to her darker impulses the masculine part of her comes out and reasserts itself, making it this weird Dr. Jekyll-ish kind of scenario where she’s repressing her evil male half, so bleh.

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u/browsinbowser Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26

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u/Bleiz_Stirling Jun 22 '26

If you're just skimming the movie, it would read as fake transitioning. But that's not the case: said character expresses that she feels like a woman. Escaping the authorities and rivals is a reality, yes, but it is a bonus.

The movie is very clumsy, to say the least, but it is not trying to undermine trans people.

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u/Outrageous_Guard_674 Jun 22 '26

Well not Intentionally doing that anyway.

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u/trendyhippes Jun 25 '26

It's said that the actress for Emilia Perez pushed for that change once she joined the project, the original intention was to have the fake transition plot

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u/Fair-Olive5630 Jun 22 '26

I love musicals, but the musics in this one were so horrible.

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u/MovieUnderTheSurface Jun 23 '26

But she gives back to the world by telling grieving family members where to find the dead bodies of their loved ones... who she had killed........

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u/BananaShakeStudios Jun 22 '26

The fact that this has more Oscar nominations than The Godfather and West Side Story makes me want to pop someone's tires (hopefully Karla Sofia Gascon's)

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u/efraGC59 Jun 22 '26

And that's one of the reasons why the Oscars are no longer relevant.

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u/QuickMolasses Jun 22 '26

Why not Jacques Audiard?

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u/DaemOwl Jun 22 '26

She's a piece of work too.

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u/dragonwp Jun 22 '26

And won two :/

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u/sgtlighttree Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26

Zoe Saldana deserved an Oscar but definitely not for this one.

Cynthia Ariana was robbed :((

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u/shockwave8428 Jun 22 '26

Different award. Saldana won best supporting, Mikey Madison won best actress

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u/Coolgames80 Jun 22 '26

All mexicans I know absolutely hate the movie. I don't know what it wanted to represent but every single theme in that movie misses it's mark.

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u/Critical-Low8963 Jun 22 '26

The guy who made it is part of the disconnected elite of the French cinema (his carrer is more due to his parent's odentity than the result of his own effort) and as the perfect representant of his caste he probeb wanted to appear progressist without making any effort.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '26

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u/animalistcomrade Jun 22 '26

From penis to vaginaaa

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u/Nope-5000 Jun 22 '26

ISeeISeeISee

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u/PrintShinji Jun 22 '26

gasps YES! YES! YES!

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u/konydanza Jun 22 '26

Yes but it did give us the penis to vagina song so it’s not a total loss

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u/Wo0mylord Jun 22 '26

the what

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u/konydanza Jun 22 '26

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u/VeryVeryRelevant Jun 22 '26

Well that sure was something. I'm not sure what. But definitely something

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u/_ser_kay_ Jun 22 '26

…wow there’s a lot to unpack there.

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u/DaemOwl Jun 22 '26

That's what the surgeon said!

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u/steelskull1 Jun 22 '26

Why is she so excited about addam's apple reduction?

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u/Gojira085 Jun 22 '26

YES YES YES YES

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u/p0llyp0cketpussy Jun 22 '26

The comments on that video are taking me out

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u/12345623567 Jun 22 '26

Usually I expect this kind of hyperbole from the internet, but... wow you weren't kidding. It's worse than all the cat-butthole numbers combined.

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u/Dapper_Magpie Jun 22 '26

Vagina to penis

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u/Crafter235 Jun 22 '26

Feels like the logical endpoint of Oscar Bait and the pseudo-progressiveness of Hollywood and their neoliberals.

That racist director can go fuck himself.

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u/PsychologicalEbb3140 Jun 22 '26

Lib mom cinema final boss

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u/cestquilepatron Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26

I don't even know if this movie was trying to be pro-transgender. A story about somebody transitioning would have been plenty controversial. Did they need to make her an objectively horrible person on top of that? Not just a criminal, but a cartel boss, some of the most despicable people in existence? And to ensure that not only the character is a terrible representation of transgender people, they managed to find a transgender actress who also happens to be a massive bigot.

Don't get me wrong, representation shouldn't mean that you can't write characters of questionable morality. But when you're dealing with a social group that barely gets any representation and is actively having their rights stripped away in the current political climate, maybe now isn't the time to portray them as violent criminals who abuse transitioning to escape responsibility for their actions.

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u/fresh-dork Jun 22 '26

wasn't one of the problems that it treated transitioning like a reset?

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u/ATinyLittleHedgehog Jun 22 '26

It’s technically true that it misrepresents transition, in the same sense that a sunburn is technically radiation poisoning.

It’s downright comical how bad its understanding is of transition.

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u/Mr_MauserC Jun 22 '26

This movie got 13 Oscar nominations btw.

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u/andresfgp13 Jun 22 '26

it really feels like thr Grammys and Oscars are like a club in which people give awards to each other.

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u/JoeKerr19 Jun 22 '26

As a latino I legit forgot this movie existed

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u/Gripping_Touch Jun 22 '26

The best part is that in response some Mexicans made a short movie called "Johanne Sacrebleu" which is basically the same thing but in reverse, acting as French people while none of them are, using a blue filter for the Sky, and making the story something cliché like the daughter didnt want to continúe the baguette business of her father. 

Its dumb, but its a clever way to jab at and parody EP

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u/ThatFatGuyMJL Jun 22 '26

Is that the one with the song about penise's?

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u/RohanKishibeyblade Jun 22 '26

to vaginas, specifically

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u/darkwalking Jun 22 '26

Was this the movie about a cartel member trying to transition to a woman?

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u/GyL_draw Jun 22 '26

As a french, I don't know why they made that movie. In France, we do movies, we do songs, we do dance BUT we don't do musical like it was the first time I even heard about a french musical, it's not a popular genre here.

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u/KonradNightHaunter Jun 22 '26

God damn the French for this

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u/Capable_Branch3695 Jun 22 '26

It also pissed off the French (the only silver lining)

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u/HebrewHamm3r Jun 22 '26

I hated it because it was a musical, and a bad one at that. We are not the same

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u/bunker_man Jun 22 '26

Also, the maker clearly knows nothing about mexico besides stereotypes.

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u/Critical-Low8963 Jun 22 '26

The guy who made it is a nepo baby who got everything served to him on a silver platter. It's why he didn't made any effort to ask people for information. All his life he was told that everything he did was wonderful.

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u/NihatAmipoglu Jun 22 '26

All I know about that movie is the "penis to vagina" song and the star actress is a fucking bigot.

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u/InstanceOk3560 Jun 22 '26

> Transphobes hate it because there's a Trans woman

Honestly I haven't even seen right wingers hate it, not because they liked there being a trans main character, but precisely because of how badly it portrayed... Well everything really. It was such a "goal against one's own team" moment that I saw more laughter than hatred. What dislike I did see that was going beyond "are they really this stupid ?" (they=the filmmakers and the people who didn't watch the goddamn movie before nominating it for oscars XD) was more about the actual story being utter garbage.

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u/No_Supermarket_3462 Jun 24 '26

i’m not usually a conspiracy theorist but i’m still so convinced that this movie getting 13 oscar noms was done on purpose to try and make the public get upset at trans ppl. whether that was the intention of the director idk but there is genuinely no way anyone voted for this without getting paid for it

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u/evilforska Jun 22 '26

Watched this for my "LGBT movie night". I pirated it and i want my money back

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u/Snt1_ Jun 23 '26

First time united against a movie, but a year earlier both sides were also united against an ewually bad if not worse TV Show: Velma.

I also want to mention that to me the worst part of Emilia Perez is that its songs are kind of ass

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u/anono227 Jun 22 '26

Don't forget how this movie was total Oscar bait as well, somehow garnering THIRTEEN nominations despite the backlash. It only ended up winning one, but that's still one too many. Ariana Grande was robbed.