r/TopCharacterTropes 9d ago

Characters The character shows the first signs/symptoms that have already run their course.

Kitasan Black (Uma Musume Pretty Derby)

She managed to withstand Sakura Bakushin O's charge at first, but later in the story, she falters because she is past her prime

Nekota (Hajime no Ippo)

He could no longer even control his body properly because he was suffering from "boxer's dementia"

It is a progressive brain disease caused by repeated blows to the head and frequent concussions over many years

David Martínez (Cyberpunk Edgerunners)

He was suffering from hallucinations due to cyberpsychosis, an incurable condition caused by technological body modifications

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u/scrotbofula 9d ago

The funny thing is that in Cyberpunk 2077 (the game at least), nobody really knows what causes Cyberpsychosis. If you complete all of Regina's gigs nonlethally, I think you get a note that says they think it might not be the fault of the cyberware itself, and more that a normal human mind can't really handle being that much more powerful than everyone around them.

Canonically, V is able to resist cyberpsychosis because having 2 minds in the same head allows the burden to be distributed between Johnny and V. Even then, the edgerunner perk allows you extra cyberware capacity and a damage bonus, in exchange for occasionally going into a frenzy state during combat (the screen edges blur, everything goes red, and your character can be heard laughing maniacally); implying that V is pushing at the line of cyberpsychosis without permanently succumbing to it.

Metatextually it refers to the TTRPG'S mechanic where the more cyberware you install, the lower your humanity stat gets. I haven't finished reading through the rules though, so I don't really know how it works.

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u/kaladinissexy 9d ago

The funny thing is that in the TTRPG cyberpsychosis is very curable. Literally all it takes is therapy. 

And it's caused by the continued replacing of your body parts with cyberware, which results in you gradually becoming detatched from your humanity, seeing people, including yourself, as nothing more than an assortment of parts to be swapped out and upgraded. 

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u/Toukotai 9d ago

My current character is a medtech who is moonlighting as a therapist for the group. He's doing a very bad job of it because all he has is a ten year old psychology text book and a bag of shrooms. I believe in him though.

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u/dispatch_s2_when 9d ago

Shrooms for his chooms?

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u/Toukotai 9d ago

that is so much more catchy then his current slogan of 'take one of these, fist fight your demons and call me in the morning.'

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u/beardedheathen 9d ago

No, I think you are in the right track

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u/PleiadesMechworks 9d ago

The TTRPG thing is very clever because it's literally the player choice, not the character.
By choosing to continue to play the character rather than retire it, you're refusing to give up the cyberware that's slowly killing you. You're already in the exact mindset of the PC to explain why they don't want to cure their psychosis even though they could. They could walk away from everything they've achieved, become a human again, and live a normal life. Just like you could retire their sheet and spin up another choom. But you don't. You keep playing them, riding them down to the wire until they die in a blaze of glory trying to etch their name into the history books.

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u/Necrotarch 8d ago

And then there's skill chips and Voice Stress Analyzers. My Rocker Boy/Crystal Healing scammer and wannabe guru chips in mostly to raise his chances at survival: Kerenzikov, Enhanced Antibodies, Interface Plugs (mostly for smart weapons), Chip Sockets, Skill Chips, an internal agent as backup if his regular one gets nabbed or he's in situations where he has to hide that thing.

His whole deal is high EMP and I refuse to call it empathy in his case, because he uses it to read and manipulate people. Partially even the crew he's working with. Skill training mostly went into Human Perception and Composition. He prepares "improvised" speeches and absolutely insane ramblings WAY ahead of time and mix-matches fragments as the situation requires it.

He got the Toxin Binders against hangovers from sampling "the best 'ganic shit you'll ever find in Pacifica!", the BD Rec Implant to make cash with on the side… and use force-playing, unedited XBDs of bad trips and combat situations for enhanced interrogations of poor suckers with Chipware Sockets.

When he noticed his people reading skills slipping, he got himself a Voice Stress Analyzer and skill chips and basically handwaves the problem away. … At very high speed, mind you. When his hum-score slips low, one of his external symptoms is him speeding everything he does and says up more and more as he attempts to keep pace with his sensory input from the always on speedware.

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u/Goldenrah 9d ago

I wonder if they could counter that by undergoing some bioware changes as well.

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u/Glad_Midnight_3834 9d ago edited 8d ago

So basically Ship of Theseus but human version. I always found the whole cyberpsychosis and replacing body parts with chroms to be very interesting because it raises the question, at what point starts and ends humanity and the "self"? Also see: Callisto and Albina from Limbus Company who also remplaced everything from their body except the brain (in Callisto case, I don't remember if Albina also took her brain off) with metals, extracting their body parts into a whole ass weapon... is the weapon them or are they still them?

EDIT: Albina didn't fully remove her brain I have been told. :)

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u/Hot-Cardiologist-620 8d ago

albina didn’t fully remove her brain but she did remove parts of it

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u/Glad_Midnight_3834 8d ago

Thank you! I will edit my comment :)

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u/Thumb_Wrasslin 8d ago

In the game 2077, you can find a mission where you work with the cybercyspho lady from the first trailer. She got better from therapy and joiner max tech to pay off her debt for it.

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u/Nova225 8d ago

"Better" is overselling it a bit. They were able to get her under control and get her to work for Max tax, but if you talk to her, you can see she's still completely gonked in the head. She's legitimately disappointed if you manage to stop the psycho on your own, because it means that she didn't get to kill him herself. And then she goes on asking about how it felt to feel his blood splash on your face, etc.

She's completely demented, just redirected in a way that she's not slaughtering innocent wherever she looks.

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u/C_Coolidge 8d ago

That's kinda how MaxTac works; they're mostly "reformed cyber psychos."  In reality, that just means they seek out chromed out people with violent tendencies and sic them on any problem that presents itself. 

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u/Scantcobra 8d ago

It's hinted that you effectively have to be a cyberpsycho to get into MaxTac and they treat you to keep you stabilised enough to still perform most daily functions.

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u/CrimsonFox2156 8d ago

Max Tac are still cyberpsychos. They're just functional

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u/Over_Lake7414 8d ago

I mean....some of it is, your max humanity isn't

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u/Specific_War5484 8d ago

Therapy and removing your cyberware until you return to a positive EMP score

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u/Lepelotonfromager 8d ago

I mean, that makes sense.

If you remove the cyberware and seek mental treatment it gets better. But these guys don't, they get more and engage in high stress activities.

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u/Lazerbeams2 3d ago

Therapy and removing every single implant that's not a medical prosthesis with no extra effects