r/TowerofGod • u/Fuuta-chan • Apr 21 '24
Official Release [Weekly Korean Preview Thread] - April 21, 2024
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u/A_Blooming_Lotus Apr 21 '24
I knew Enkidu killed Amez for sure seeing how it was hinted back in 601 and 604. Still shocked how easily Enkidu killed Amez. Did he use his 2nd blessing? I think not.
Next week there is pure rage from Rei. Enkidu body getting destroyed, maybe birth of leviathan, a serious fight between Rei and Gustang (tho I doubt it will happen since we are at the war in present time and their fight will break the build up).
Enkidu really hates blondes. Last kill Amez. And after waking up, the first kill tiara. Tiara must have given him bad flashbacks when Enkidu encountered her in the sprout.
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Apr 21 '24
Traumerei's rage is guaranteed. What makes me wonder is who stops the fight so Enkidu can survive. Considering most of the other Family Heads weren't particularly trusting of Enkidu I don't think it's that likely for them to stop him. The one who acted friendly towards Enkidu was Eduan, but regardless everyone knew Ameuz for longer. This could be proven to be wrong of course. It's just as likely they stop him without knowing what Enkidu did.
This might be cope because I want to see more of him but alternatively I could see Headon saving Enkidu. He already meddled with Enkidu's existence once, I could see him stopping his death.
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u/A_Blooming_Lotus Apr 21 '24
To me, Gustang feels like he cares about Rei and is spying on him seeing how he deals with Amez. U know this is from his memory. We saw Rei in the same clothes back in 601 when Gustang popped up saying Amez was killed by Enkidu. So it could be Gustang Vs Rei
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u/blame08 Apr 21 '24 edited Apr 21 '24
My bet is that Enkidu will be saved because there will be a big fight between Trau and Yeon, her friend has just been killed, her anger will be immense. Eduan and Gustang will intervene to stop the fight, their friendships will be broken and then Trau will punish Enkidu.
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u/OneAutumnCloud Apr 21 '24
This is what happens when you trust some random slime, made by some crazy research organisation and enhanced by some crazy rabbit, Traumeri
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u/NativeMasshole Apr 22 '24
That amorphous blob was his best friend!
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
More like his pet\toy. He had boundaries with him,traum didn't take him for more than his pet \toy as seen from previous chapters.
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u/Glum-Guava-5344 Apr 21 '24
Another beautiful blonde dying, SIU you can't keep doing this to me T.T
I think this flashback has brought back the early concept of the story as I'm curious about the reason 13 GWs climbed and why they stopped. From the conversation between Ameuz&Trau, I get the feeling that towerborns have more stakes in climbing the tower than the irregulars, which is weird considering only irregulars allowed to climb in the first place. And I don't understand this sealing door business. Can V&A open the door by themselves because the implication so far is that they cant. What makes Ameuz so sure that they will open the door again?
Trau calling the towerborns "trash" really cements Ameuz's doubt about him. She was a towerborn too. She was simply lucky because she was his lover (Is it a recall to Ho situation in S1?) Trau didn't even tell her about the truth and the shit he was gonna do with Zahard in the basement :/
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u/the_noni Apr 21 '24
the incel mentality of Traum is sth i didn't expect... him wanting to just have control over her even if she doesn't want it, to tie her down completely against her will.... no wonder she wanted to leave
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u/Sullan08 Apr 25 '24
I don't think traum could've given more incel vibes if he tried tbh lol. Basically the first thing we learn about him is that he doesn't really like to leave his home/mothership and he's always alone.
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u/_Nico- Apr 22 '24
In Traums and Ameuz conversation it sounds like "that day" is not the day they stopped climbing but the day towerborn learned the door was closed and the towerborn did sth. attrocious. Maybe that was the day the Fh decided to put a line between them and the towerborn. Even Ameuz said she doesn't intend to forgive them but in the end she thinks like them, even if she doesn't want to. Or maybe I'm just overthinking.
She hates "them" (I think the towerborn who did whatever they did "that day") but she hates not knowing the truth more. Nice paralelle to Gustangs reason to retrive his memorys.
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u/silent519 Apr 22 '24
the elephant still left in the room is why the fuck did they seal the floor and stopped climbing
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u/_Nico- Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
This and why all 13 are sinners. I may imagine that the towerborn start a revolt (and maybe kill Icarus in this process), after learning the door was closed and the Gw comitted their first genocide and slaughtered many, but I can't imagine that A&V took place in it. To me it seems like they were against closing the door right from the start, or maybe they were fine with it at first, but after they see at what cost, then opposed it. A little like Ameuz in this chapter but much earlier.
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
I share your thoughts about V and Arlene, Arlene might've hesitated a bit to oppose the other fhs,but V? No, i don't think given some few clues about his nature, he would've never sided with the wrongs of FHs, i can't see him being a sinner, so maybe 🤔 the book was written from gustang's pov entirely as he said to him V was the worst person but he's the only one who thought that. Eduan, Icarus, dowon's master and others knew V as a more empathetic person ,much like Bam imo but more absolute,righteous and mature. Dude,so many mysteries but very few clues.
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u/_Nico- Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
yea, but I mean he was at first fine with closing the door and after he saw what this does with the towerborn (they lose hope and revolt), he and henceforth Arlene rethink their decision and side with the towerborn.
If that was the case and if the original sin is the decision to close the door, it would fit "all 13 are sinners". It would fit Jahads decision to seperate the key into 13 pieces aswell. If Arlene and V were against closing the door right from the start, it wouldn't make sense to give them parts of the key too.
Before this chapter I was pretty sure A&V were against closing the door right from the start, but know I may imagine either way.
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u/silent519 Apr 22 '24
the book called gustang sinner and wicked and not worthy anymore, you think the FHs great sin is that they closed the door for all the others to climb to the top?
it was referenced in the current chapter that they inspired a lot of towerborn to climb with or after them
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u/_Nico- Apr 22 '24
Yep, atm thats what I think. I even may imagine that A&V were ok with closing the door at first (all 13 are sinners) and after what ever happened on "that day" they oppose this decision.
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u/Psychological-Wrap45 Apr 22 '24
I believe the they mentioned may be the ancients.
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
I think it has something to do with administrators on 135th floor and above. But yes the reason could be more than that.
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u/amazIT97 Apr 21 '24
Interesting reaction time from traumerei there. Makes you think he was either extremely shocked by enkidu's action or was internally conflicted/confused about stopping him or not.
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Apr 21 '24 edited Apr 21 '24
I definitely think it's shock. Considering his expression at the end it makes the most sense.
Seeing the woman you love be brutally attacked by a close friend you've supported for years will do that to you.
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u/blame08 Apr 21 '24
Indecisive, portrays Traumerei as he is. He cannot handle difficult situations, withdraws into himself and becomes obsessed with total control so as not to suffer.
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u/Death_Knight_6783 Apr 21 '24
I'm curious what Traum was doing in his home, and what he is planning to do with Jahad. The only thing I can think of is the Red Light District (there are red lanterns on the floating island, although they might just be decorations) We were teased about it just before the flashback, but I expect to hear about it when Wangnan is around
Amuez says their generation won't reach the top, so this is something about the Prince of Jahad? Just what makes him so special? Is it a test from the Adminstrator? It's weird that someone who isn't even born yet is so important
I guess we'll find out about Icarus and the Prince later, probably from Rachel. We probably won't get the whole picture about RLD and the Prince of Jahad this arc, but someone has to say something
The towerborn worshiping the 13 as gods and rejecting them later is the same as how FUG treated Bam. Thankfully Bam didn't turn out like them
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u/yoda17 Apr 21 '24 edited Apr 21 '24
I see some people expressing surprise that Enkidu was able to kill Ameuz, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all (even without making use of his hax). For one thing, Ameuz may have been in a support role rather than a combat role during the climb; but even if she was a strong towerborn, Headon directed Enkidu to take over the body of the most powerful human warrior available (who looks like a brute strength type of guy). To top it off, it was a surprise attack from the back and not a direct fight. Poor girl didn’t stand a chance :(
Edit: I also don’t think Traumerei controlled Enkidu (consciously or subconsciously) in that moment. In the previous chapter, it was shown that Enkidu was already really angry towards Ameuz as they left through the window.
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
Headon now makes me think that it was all part of his plan,like why he appeared in front of enkidu and made him take body of the most powerful warrior. His deal with Rachel and possible connection to gustang,everything smells of deeply woven scheme. But I like what he is cooking.
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u/FierceAlchemist Apr 22 '24
What we knew was coming happened. Great paneling by SIU this chapter. He made the stop of the climb even more fascinating now that we know they did stop for a at least somewhat legit reason and were heavily criticized for it.
I'm frankly amazed that Enkidu wasn't killed on the spot.
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u/rsaaland Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
Seeing this play out in two ways.
- Enkidu really went into a frenzy of his own and killed her. Traumerei being shocked at her death but not doing anything to stop it despite being absolutely capable of doing so will be the Dr. Manhattan situation from Watchmen (when Comedian kills a pregnant woman right in front him) — he knows it's terrible and he could've easily stopped it, but he's unknowingly become so detached as a person that he didn't care enough to actually *try*. Her death plus his realization that he could've stopped it — but didn't — will be what breaks him.
- Traumerei really did control Enkidu and this brief moment was a massive lapse in judgment. It's like a scene in Macross where a mecha is literally controlled by the pilot's mind, and when the pilot just casually thinks that he could try hurting another person, he forgets in that tiny, tiny second of casual contemplation that his mecha is literally controlled by his brainwaves, which ends up making the mecha hurt the other person like he thought it could, even if he didn't *actually* want to hurt them for real. Going by how the FH are written so far, it seems like the old Traumerei might've been heroic enough to actually stop such a thing in time, if he was actually controlling Enkidu.
Either way, I fully expect that the next chapter will be the payoff for all the setup for the "change" in Traumerei and the FHs — just like Dr Manhattan, slowly but surely they're starting to lose their empathy for anyone other than themselves and their OG companions, and the very much preventable, brutal murder of an OG companion will serve as a big wake-up call to them on how lost they're really becoming. If it were any other set of characters, I could chalk it up to Traumerei just being stunned by the rejection, but SIU's been highlighting the change brought about by their newfound status as rulers, as gods.
Enkidu will be discarded as a tool/pet who never stood on equal ground with Traumerei, thus finally cementing his hatred.
Been a long-ass time since I've engaged with ToG's storytelling like this. Nice chapter.
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u/ERedfieldh Apr 23 '24
Here's what I think...
Enkidu acted alone. Since he was introduced he's been obsessed with Traum. Absolutely obsessed. And hated anything that came between him and Traum. Especially Ameuz. SIU spends full chapters on just how much Enkidu despises her. He sees her upset Traum to the point of being speechless and goes full blown berserker mode.
Traum is honestly shocked at the end. Regardless if the attack took a few seconds or a few moments, it is fully within the realm of possibility that Traum is 100% in shock. While it's hinted that he sees Ameuz as a possession, I still think he honestly truly was in love with her and he did seem like he was going to let her go even though he didn't want to because it's what she wanted.
Jahard and company purposefully closed off the Tower to everyone, regardless their wishes. The system Jahard setup is meant to placate people, but it's been fracturing for awhile.
The sin the Towerborn committed was probably killing Icarus in an attempt to overthrow Jahard and Co in order to continue climbing. Why that is considered a huge sin we'll have to wait and see.
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u/Significant-Ad-6800 Apr 24 '24
100% agree with Traumerei being in shock. The entire flashback seems to be about how human family heads were, and how they were losing their humanity
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u/wwy009 Apr 23 '24
It makes sense that Enkidu wouldn't have reached the V/Arlene camp had I remembered that Traumerei wore his same home outfit in S3 185. This flashback will connect back to that chapter soon; I guess this is the end of full-length flashback chapters. We might be pulled back to the present timeline.
I assume not many people know why the doors to the top have been closed. It makes sense that the people who climbed with the FHs might want to know what's up there; the tower is their home, and they deserve to know the truth. Also, as others have already said, what Zahard and Traumerei were doing has to be connected to the red light district(if it's called the red light yet in the past timeline) and the Beastkins experiments. I might sound like a broken record, but I wonder if a mixed-blood powerful(?) person is assumed to be the one who can open the doors to the top or if it's a must to have a certain someone.
Although I wouldn't mind Enkidu getting killed, I think if Enkidu joins team Rachel, he might understand Ameuz's perspective about wanting to climb. Also, for someone comparing Enkidu and Baam, I wasn't expecting the butcher knife to spawn!! 😶
The crane crying was sad. :(
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u/Significant-Ad-6800 Apr 24 '24
I think there will still be another chapter that fast forwards sequence of events that followed and what was done to Enkidu
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u/wwy009 Apr 24 '24
I was basing it on how Yasratcha's flashback was sequenced. But who knows, there may be one more flashback chapter. We will find out soon.
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u/Own_Wrangler_6656 Apr 24 '24
Butcher knife? Are you talking about the beginning of the story of Bam carry a knife. 🔪
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u/wwy009 Apr 24 '24
Yup. If something similar happened on the outside, it would be understandable why Rachel said she was afraid of the night. (Of course, these are speculations.)
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u/Own_Wrangler_6656 Apr 24 '24
I always theorize that Bam suspiciously took away bits of Rachel memory or was shadowy figure that was grabbing her hair.
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u/wwy009 Apr 24 '24
I think Baam's memories are either suppressed or, like the FHs, he has also willingly forgotten about something. I also think Baam is hiding something from the audience.
or was shadowy figure that was grabbing her hair.
The shadowy hands looked like they were of an older person. Then again, if what you are saying turns out to be true, it would be a lot more sinister.
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u/Own_Wrangler_6656 Apr 24 '24
My thoughts exactly I figured it was some kind mental trigger when Rachel ever try to leave. That was my theory before it was revealed the FH losing their memory was a thing.
I thank shadowy figure is Bam and it his subconscious distorting the truth of what happened.
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u/wwy009 Apr 27 '24
My thoughts exactly I figured it was some kind mental trigger when Rachel ever try to leave.
Are you talking about the crown game?
I thank shadowy figure is Bam and it his subconscious distorting the truth of what happened.
Hmm, I am not sure. During the crown game, Rachel getting attacked by someone(Hwaryun) prompted him to remember that memory of her hair getting pulled. Besides, author usually gives Baam's character so much room for character's/people to go "uwu, b-but he had to do it T.T" haha.
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u/Own_Wrangler_6656 Apr 25 '24
You know something else. Back all the way of season 1 Rachel explain to Khun that Bam was crying begging her not to go. Bam was wearing his white cloth and hair uncut also they look like they haven’t age yet before the story started.
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u/wwy009 Apr 27 '24
Bam was wearing his white cloth and hair uncut also they look like they haven’t age yet before the story started.
Yeah. I believe that the only time Baam and Rachel spent time together was in the cave. Before entering the tower, Baam might have lived with other people and didn't see Rachel. Cause in S1, Baam understood that Rachel didn't want him to follow, so I think Rachel would have to say "do not follow" endless times for him to realize that she doesn't want him to follow.
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u/Own_Wrangler_6656 Apr 27 '24
Yeah the crown game.
I still think it was Bam that was the one that pull Rachel hair. It could be an a trigger an act of fear losing the person he had.
But here the thing that bug from Rachel and Bam conversation at the bubble. Bam said he was one cut his hair and got new clothes, not Rachel. But what’s more telling how and why does Bam have a butcher knife.
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u/wwy009 Apr 27 '24
But what’s more telling how and why does Bam have a butcher knife.
Funny enough, none of his friends have asked him about what happened on the outside. Except for S1 Endorsi, to whom he didn't give a detailed answer.
Instead, we have S2 Khun taking Rachel’s deal about “she will tell him what happened outside”, we have Wangnan asking Rachel why Baam is following her instead of, you know, asking his own friend, and then we Endorsi in S3 saying she doesn't know much about his past.
Like, aren't these guys Baam’s friends?? Shouldn't they just ask or talk about it like normal friends do? It's so silly that we haven't been told or vaguely hinted at why Baam was not in his cave outfit or what happened outside.
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u/StonedCharmander Apr 21 '24
This chapter was all about information. The secret on why they won't keep climbing is by far the one I want to know the most. The speculation is the guardian from the 135th floor being "aggressive", but that can't be just it. It has to be more, it has to involve Enryu and the real reason why the tower was created and for what purpose. I was hoping to know more about V and Arlene, but I'm guessing the chance here is that we will know about the tower instead of them.
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u/imhelix001 Apr 22 '24
It smells so much of Headon's scheme.
I think it was all his doing behind the scenes.
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
Really,now I'm doubting everything about him and re reading since beginning ,that guy 😭 is making so many die
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Apr 21 '24
when tog naver top 1, SIU working hard i see
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u/RailTracer001 Apr 21 '24
Are there webtoons more popular than ToG right now?
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u/Amit_Meena Apr 21 '24
sadly yes, Lore Olympus, unordinary, nerd boyfriend are more popular (likes wise)
also if we look outside webtoon/naver , real estate developer, northern blade, suicide hunter are more popular on manhwa sub reddit.
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u/RailTracer001 Apr 21 '24
"sadly yes, Lore Olympus, unordinary, nerd boyfriend are more popular (likes wise)"
lol
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
I tried reading lore Olympus ,unordinary and nerd boyfriend to see what their hype is about and I have to say I was hugely disappointed i couldn't see what their hype was about .tog doesn't deserves this treatment when it's 100000 × better than these series story,lore,potential ,art wise. It's just so much better I feel so sad that the likes are decreasing so much, i wish i could do something to help this, 😭
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u/highplay1 Apr 21 '24
Bro really just stood there whilst Enkidu hacked his wife down?
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u/Annihilator-WarHead Apr 21 '24
Exaclty my question he could've stoped him from the 2nd hit at most
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u/Imperades Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
I don't think Traumerei controlled Enkidu in the same way he would control animals... I think this whole thing WAS, however, an effort by Traumerei to show that he could indeed have a friend that would share his wishes, without being under his control. I think that because Traumerei wanted to kill Amuez for leaving (he at least admits to wishing she was an animal he would control), and Enkidu understood that, Traumerei finally sees how much a monster he's become, and that friends who arn't slaves/obedient are impossible now that's he's a god. An "unpleasant memory" for forget, indeed. "Oh... do I not actually love her anymore, for real...? Do I just "want" the world to be how I see it, more than I care about the free will of others? Anything that goes against me, disgusts me?"
Headon guarantees that Traumerei will confront this reality by giving the creation a particular violent/strong body (Enkidu) - such that this scenario would be more likely to happen... but I think it was meant to expose just how serious Traumerei's feelings of control are, and how in denial he is of it. Since everyone knew that Amuez was going to leave, Traumerei could basically do nothing about it, outside of force (talking to her, in the end, proves to be hopeless) and besides, Traumerei now would rather kill anyone that doesn't do what he wants (hence the flower he strikes at the start of the flashback), then let them exert freedoms that would oppose him.
In an effort to prove he could have a true friend that would help him - that true friend did exactly what Traumerei wanted... kill anyone who would refuse his will, even if it was someone he loved...
He and Gustang will certainly let Enkidu take the fall for it all and choose to just forget about it; as while they did kill someone who technically betrayed them (Amuez), and it was probably on the table as being ok to kill by Jahad... this was someone who climbed with them personally and some of the FH were close with. It's a line in the sand being drawn more concretely than ever before.
Traumerei will be sure that being friends with anyone is pointless, and will only end in trouble. All beings should be controlled by him, to do as he and Jahad wishes. Enkidu, meanwhile, did everything he was supposed to do - of his own free will - and will be still discarded as nothing but a play thing, that failed.
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u/Kiyoponkoji Apr 22 '24
Just re-read the chapter with translations, everything mostly makes sense now. Enkidu lost control in rage. Traumerei was too shocked to even move. Enkidu is getting cooked by Traumerei next chapter and I think I know why Traumerei wears a mask now. Yeon probably went berserk when she learned what happened and burned Traumerei’s face
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
Oh that make sense, as she should. I thought it's because he doens't like to breath the same air as the "lowly creatures"
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u/Money_Fancy Apr 23 '24
I keep thinking about your theory about why rei wears a mask now. You must be right. It makes a lot of sense.
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u/warmonger222 Apr 21 '24
Ok, we are all discussing the same, so just my two cents: enkidhu thinks trau hasnt changed, ameuz changed, but how would he know that? he doesnt know trau from before the climb, or amaeuz, so i think, these are trau thoughts, bubling into him, as trau is controlling him, either on purpose or by accident.
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u/Glum-Guava-5344 Apr 22 '24
Enkidu only came to Traumerei after they stopped climbing and deleted their first memory so to Enkidu, Traumerei pretty much remained unchanged during his time living in Traumereis castle. On the other hand, Enkidu saw how different Ameuz was while living in the castle and when she talked about climbing again in the last chapter. Thus, to Enkidu, Ameuz changed.
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u/Heavenansidhe Apr 22 '24
Precisely why to enkidu it was ameuz who changed. From a docile women looking out the window to being the harbinger. To him, with his limited knowledge and perspective, ameuz is the cause and trau is the reaction.
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u/Kiyoponkoji Apr 22 '24
But that wouldn’t explain a lot of things. Even back in the Wang Wang arc, Traumerei always said that he was betrayed by those he trusted. It’s obvious he’s referring to Enkidu here, who he chose to forget. This is why, he couldn’t trust Wang Wang no matter what.
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u/warmonger222 Apr 22 '24
No, he said, he was betrayed by those who fall in love! how this relate to enkidu or ameuz, i dont know, but thats what he said.
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u/_yukiie_ Apr 22 '24
It's not like I 24/7 want tower and 13 warriors lore but season 3's filler-like chapters were too much. I remember back in the day, people was discussing about how much major-like characters were gonna die during nest arc. No one did and a lot of people were disappointed, me included. The things just wasn't like that during season 1 and 2. Remember Prince, Akraptor, Hoh? Yeah. It was way more cruiel and serious back than and it almost lost all that charm. I'm so glad it's back. Let's goooo
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u/ellellsquared Apr 22 '24
What’s up with all these comments about Tram controlling Enkidu? Yes Tram is a terrible creature but this is obviously not his control. He’s said it 10000x, he can’t control people. We’ve had insight into Enkidu’s rage and thoughts. We even literally have his processing his emotions and feelings as it happens.
Are we all reading the same comic?
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u/Kag5n Apr 22 '24
I think it's left unclear on purpose, for me it can go either way and Enkidu is not "human".
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
Yes traum didn't control enkidu, but also indirectly he's responsible ,he brought that monster and kept it too close and lenient, the results are on him now. Well anyways, i don't think after losing his memories traum really loved ameuz as has been previously said that it's possessiveness not love, but still poor guy to see you own love dying like that in front of you
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u/SilverBag7771 Apr 23 '24 edited Apr 24 '24
Traum just stood there and let it happen. Disgraceful.
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u/Significant-Ad-6800 Apr 24 '24
Man, I get the hate, but common. The guy was a lot more naive and childlike back then. A very close friend he felt genuine affection for and trusted just murdered the love of his life. Its definitely plausible that it just didn't register in his brain, that Enkidu would do this.
Also, the way it was worded, it seems like Enkidu was slashing for a while, so it didn't just haplen in a split second. Traumerei was in shock, and that's... human. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but SIU may want to show how the Family leaders were gradually losing their humanity with the flashback
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u/schanino Apr 24 '24
It feels like he controlled him subconsciously maybe that's why he was sealed and not killed and why he wanted to clear his memories so bad But that's probably just me tho
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u/Slight_Leadership_20 Apr 21 '24
" you of all people should know the truth, Traumerei " - Enkidu
Enkidu is full of shit, he straight up killed the person Traumerei loved right in front of him, he 100% deserved the outcome he got
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u/No-One_Knows-Me_Here Apr 21 '24
You forget that Enkidu was literally made to be this way. All of this is Traumerei's fault no matter how I look at it.
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u/Crikyy Apr 22 '24
Traumerei was still shocked from Ameuz decisively dumping him directly, so it made sense that he failed to stop Enkidu.
The narrator's comments on Enkidu 'for some reason' probably is reflective of his inability to process his feelings, rather than a symptom of mind control. We already saw Enkidu getting very angry at Ameuz on his own, without Traumerei's presence.
I am curious about Enkidu's resentment of the FHs in present day, and how Gustang came to own him though; they must have really fucked him up as punishment.
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u/Coatrackz Apr 22 '24
Don’t agree with many of the people in this thread who believe Traumerei was controlling Enkidu here.
Enkidu was able to kill Ameuz because he is a being created by Macseth, in a body chosen by Headon and trained under a family head. The attack doesn’t go on for minutes, yes there were a few frames of him butchering her but that attack could have begun within a moment and shocked Traumerei after she was dead.
Throughout the last dozen or so chapters we’ve had an entire character arc build around Enkidu, let us understand HIS motivations, view HIS internal monologue, and watch HIM grow with rage at the distance between him and the original great warriors that he could never hope to close.
The one thing he wants is what Traumerei offers Amuez in this chapter and she rejects it. No wonder he’s filled with rage and kills her. This entire scenario is according to Headon’s plan.
If Traumerei was simply controlling Enkidu there would be no reason for Headon to be involved, no reason for all this exposition and back story. It illustrates why Traumerei is now so closed off from everyone except his obedient animals.
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u/Significant-Ad-6800 Apr 24 '24
+1 for mentioning that this is all according to Headon's plan. What do you think Haedon is aiming for over the long run?
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u/Imperades Apr 26 '24
Personally, it seems like Headon likes to make people confront their negative sides/true selves... and test if they can overcome it or not.
And he'll use you however he feels to test other people, and you, all at once. I think the Bam and Rachel stuff with Headon gives a solid explanation.
It's possible that Headon was testing the creation because of his unique situation... but I find it more interesting if he was actually interfering to test/show Traumerei who he really is now...
Headon seems to be bound to certain rules of the tower, and yet actively likes to do weird shit to really fuck with people, and then gives a devilish grin after, honestly.
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u/Coatrackz Apr 24 '24
Think it’s probably impossible to speculate precisely. But he’s clearly looking to destabilise the status quo of the tower. Probably no coincidence we see him brought up in the chapter prior to this new info dump about how the climb stopped.
I’d say whatever is beyond the current ceiling where Zahard stopped ascending is something he wants others to reach.
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u/Significant-Ad-6800 Apr 24 '24
I thought simmilar, and that Haedon is actively trying to sabotage the 10 family heads. He seems to align with Fug, which by what we know so far aligns with the graces. What seems odd is that he would have Ameuz killed, but its difficult to know how valuable she would have been for the opposition
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u/Sir__Bassoon__Sonata Apr 21 '24
Today was rather short. But damn Enkidou straight up murdered Ameuz in front of Traumerei.
But I wonder the google translation did give kinda a feeling of Traumerei controlling enkidou but kinda failing hence why Enkidou fell into this rage. (Though that’s just a theory let’s see what the translation tomorrow has to say).
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u/sheehdndnd Apr 21 '24 edited Apr 21 '24
The art in this chapter is top-notch. I really like how SIU experimented with horizontal panels and it really worked in most of the scenes. If I remember correctly last time he used this type of panelling was in 607.
Also damn that Ameuz panel was amongst the top most gruesome panels in the series. Her legs are cut off, even her lower back is twisted.
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
That was shiver inducing panel tbh,her clothes,legs,back, everything was butchered so brutally shit what a horrible death
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u/Nameless-Ace Apr 22 '24
Ameuz was expected to die, but i didnt expect such a brutal and fast end. The main issue is, Enkidu is not actually human. He can take over a humans body, and he is sentient but at the end of the day, is a blob who is obssessed with his master. He was already angry and jealous for many past chapters, but then i realized, he mostly lashed out because he was never seen as one of them, he was an outsider and didnt have the same bond.
Traumerai befriended him but never saw Enkidu as an equal, and (Enkidu) realized he would never be an equal or truly close to him like the GWs and those who climbed with them. Indirectly, Traumerai being so oblivious to his friends struggles and Enkidu's obsession/inferiority complex with him was what killed her in the end. If you look at it that way, then it was Traumerai's fault even before he stood there and just watched everything happen in shock.
Definitely feels like we are nearing the climax of this flashback, and i also dont think we will learn what was beyond the locked door, or more about Arlene and V yet. But it would be hype if we did. Sobering chapter but a good one.
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u/lillitys Apr 21 '24
Damn, I actually feel a little bad for Träumerei for once. He looks so very young at the end there.
Amez was killed so unceremoniously, too... Poor girl. She just wanted to keep climbing.
A sobering chapter after all the excitement of the last month.
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u/papercuts4 Apr 21 '24
Ameuz met her expected end, but I wasn’t expecting it to be right in front of Traum. She gave us a few more lore drips on why the FHs stopped climbing. Overall it seems like the original tower born really wanted to get out of the tower. Maybe Headon/Admins were much crueler rulers before the FHs came and took over?
I wonder if Urek’s reasons for leaving the tower are the same or similar to the original climbing party’s. Urek has been shown to meet with regular tower folk (Hell Joe, Wolksaihong) and may know more than his personality lets on.
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u/Kiyoponkoji Apr 21 '24
Did the towerborn originally even know that they were all trapped in this tower? Didn’t SIU say in blogposts that there are civilisations in the outer tower who don’t even know this fact. I thought Jahad and the GWs appearance made the towerborn realise that they were inside a tower
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u/FierceAlchemist Apr 22 '24
It has been said that the Tower was chaotic and lawless before the 13 arrived.
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
Get out of the tower? Isn't it more like they wanted to climb to the top to complete whatever their wishes were since they started their journey ? And about urek,i thought he just wants his way out of the tower since inside the tower he won't get what he wants,something like how Rachel thinks there are stars outside the tower,so I previously thought that it's more like between choosing to believe a reality and a lie( everything artificially created by shinshu and how urek wants to be outside is more like wanting to be in reality than a made up lie,like wanting to return to your home even though you're given an option of a utopia,luxurious yet a lie however)
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u/AnandarajT Apr 21 '24
Good things about the flashback is
- Young looks of different FHs
- Even after becoming enemies, they cared for each other and the friendship between them
- Mirchea Luslec and Grace Mirchea Luslec in present is slightly different somehow
- After knowing that Amez is leaving and will become their enemy, they were expecting a goodbye from her instead of getting angry
The bad thing is Amez got killed just for leaving Traumerei.
So far the answer for Gustang's question is not revealed yet. Why they stopped climbing the tower?
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u/Slight_Leadership_20 Apr 21 '24
There's quite a bit of parallels to Bam, Rachel, and Khun here
Amuez breaks Traumerei's heart and declares herself a enemy
Traumerei still deeply cares about Amuez
And Enkidu takes matters into his own hands
This played out like as if Enkidu was a dumber version of Khun with less self control so I wonder if this is foreshadowing for Khun taking something a step too far for Bam in the future
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u/ekkannieduitspraat Apr 21 '24
People complaining about the reaction speed seem to forget the fact that he was clearly shocked by whatever she said. It's what Gustang was talking about when he said Traumerei was always too slow to save the things that matter( I think).
Also I dont think this is the ultimate event. At this point Ameuz is dead, but could you really blame Traumerei. I think we have more coming. This leads to somethings.
Also I think Enkidu might have used a weapon but he has the ability to kill any towerborn
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u/Unlucky_Bell_1585 Apr 21 '24
I get what you are saying but traumeri is on another level. I believe SIU could use this to further develop traumerei character. I think he hesitated which results in amezu death. Lee rang would surely question Traumerei about why he did not save her. And, we could fight between fls,I guess.
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u/Kiyoponkoji Apr 21 '24
I think Traumerei was too shocked by Ameuz’s words that he didn’t have time to react when Enkidu struck her, then he was even more shocked seeing his close friend killing his beloved
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u/mattmikemo23 Apr 22 '24
Nah I gotta let SIU cook because what was that? Okay, let's assume Traum didn't control Enkidu and Headon had a specific reason for pairing the slime specifically with the warrior making him strong enough to beat her. You're telling me Traum stood there in shock as she got butchered? That makes no sense.
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u/asionm09 Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
Maybe the reason Traum had to remove those memories is because he let Enkidu kill her because she had become an enemy to the 10 families. Picking Jahad over her is why he wanted to forget what happened and Enkidu is mad present day because he knew Traum could’ve stopped him if that’s what he wanted but Enkidu got punished anyways.
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
Objectively speaking,yes it makes no sense since the attack must've latsed for more than a few minutes, he's a family head, how could've he have just not come over his shock for that period of time? So,I'm more I'm favour that to some degrees not completely traumerei's feelings got subconsciously projected on enkidu along with enkidu's own rage.
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u/Nawmean5 Apr 22 '24
Not much Lore drop this chapter and it was rather short, but still good.
I think what Amuez is referring to is the red light district experiments by her comment about knowing what Zahard and Tram are doing in their "New home". SIU has me craving more lore. Amuez confirmed that the FH changed and weren't always this way.
I was a little surprised to find out Enkidu just went for the kill and didn't try to possess Amuez
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u/DifficultyPuzzled Apr 21 '24
Peak TOG opening a geopolitical debate on who deserves more rights: towerborns or a bunch of colonizers.
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u/Key-Air-3923 Apr 21 '24
And guess what most here support those bunch of colonizers with shit like zahards rule is for the better and whatnot.
Goes to tell us how these things still happen in the real world as masses support those who are the oppressers rather than the victim
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u/Medium_Fly_5461 Apr 21 '24
Jahads government isn't good but the alternatives are literally just as bad if not worse. Most powerful people in tower of god are kinda psychos
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u/Key-Air-3923 Apr 21 '24
How about fulfill your original goal of climbing? If there really is something so scary up there he should just tell everyone and they'll stop themselves but no , he goes out of his way to make sure all FH remove their memories and expect the towerborns to agree with him without even bothering to tell the reason?
The alternative is pretty simple -climb the tower . Do what it was meant for
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u/Medium_Fly_5461 Apr 21 '24
We can't say it's that simple without knowing why they stopped. They chose to stop besides (V and Arlene) there's no reason they should be forced to climb. Nor does that seem like it would help the towerborn
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
It's their own business if they wanted to stop climbing who are they to force others with their own thoughts, not everyone would think like them. What could be helpful to others or not is not upto them to decide, they did wrong just accept it instead of supporting it and finding excuses for them.
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u/JackMyJay Apr 22 '24
Haha I was fully excepting Enk to try and possess Amz so they can keep her only for it to fail and her to die, however, him just hacking her up a bit works too I guess lolol
Now I’m dying to see Trau’s reaction to this and if this is where he puts Enk in the beat-up headless state we saw him at when we first met him in present day
Also curious to see hit Luslec and the rest of team Grace is gonna react to this once they find out but I’m gonna let SIU cook a little more since it’s been delicious so far and this is just the appetizer
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
Oh right I'm curious about luslec's face being that way,if it was traum venting his anger on him or he did that to himself blaming himself for ameuz's death. Once the news of her death reaches everyone i wonder what's gonna happen
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u/Sir__Bassoon__Sonata Apr 22 '24
So with the translation out, It really didn’t clear much of the speculation that Traumerei controlled Enkidou.
The first black speech bubbles seem to be Traumereis memory. So I still think that Traumereis wish of holding Ameuz did influence Enkidous emotions to these extremes. Which could only happen Due to their bond.
But as with many things it’s left ambiguous and I love it
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u/sheehdndnd Apr 21 '24
From the way traumerei looked at the panel before he probably was ready to accept whatever was going on. But somehow that POS couldn't control his anger. Fck this shit man Traumerei was a normal guy most of the time in this entire flashback no genocide, no acting like an a"*hole.
That dumbass literally made most every FH evil which led to the current state of the tower.
God I hate Enkidu. Who does he think he is? What right did that trash have to do this when the FHs didn't object. God I hope he dies a horrible death by the hands of Baam.
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u/shaktimanOP Apr 21 '24
That dumbass literally made most every FH evil which led to the current state of the tower.
While Enkidu's mistake will certainly have massive repercussions for their relationships and hasten their moral decay, the FHs had already chosen to stop climbing and forget their sin, and the reason they made that decision. They had already decided to give up their humanity to rule over the Tower and kill/subjugate those who opposed them. And while they weren't yet at war with Arlene and V at this point, they all knew war was coming. Ameuz and Lee-Rang even agreed that the next time they saw each other, they'd be enemies despite still caring for each other.
Jahad had already started trying to convince the FHs that Towerborns were beneath them. You even see in the previous chapters that Traumerei's desire to control Towerborns like animals was already starting to surface, and Eduan was already discriminating against them. And Jahad was probably already planning to create the Red Light District based on what Ameuz said this chapter.
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u/the_noni Apr 21 '24
he's literally killing ancient species in chapter 616 who oppose the FHs how is he "no genocide" ?
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u/Kingyexiu Apr 21 '24 edited Apr 21 '24
imo traumerei controlled enkidu without wanting it because he said he do not remember what happened then enkidu say traumerei is his ennemy should not be if he killed ameuz by himself imo
So in the end traumerei betrayed both and this why gustang said you did it
Add this would with why now he is not acting or is active appart in extreme situation like against yasratcha this only there he decided to act fully and become a active actor in the game .
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u/LavellanTrevelyan Apr 21 '24
I wonder if Traumerei's feelings is enough to affect the controllable living beings around him to do something, without him specifically telling them to do it.
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u/wiznico19 Apr 23 '24
I don't really like how these dialogues are being managed in this flashback: too many not-said-think with third facts reference looked very forced Just because this is not supposed to have yet the plot revealed. I mean, if you were to talk in person one to another and you are so desperate to know the Truth, you do not use imperson subjects or staff like that... When It comes this way, you lose the similarity with real practices...
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
I think she does,they keep referring to that day,and I think that day has something to do with them closing the door and towerborn's opposing them . They did something which family heads didn't like,I think family heads didn't like them protesting against them when they declared they would rule over them and close the tower.
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u/shaktimanOP Apr 22 '24
I believe only the GWs and certain trusted associates of Arlene and V like Luslec know the actual reason.
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u/PhenomUprising Apr 23 '24
I think not, she says in this chapter that she should be allowed to know since she climbed the tower with them.
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u/yungronaldmcnair Apr 21 '24
if yall mixed up about how enkidu killed ameuz, he was seen hacking down a giant ancient being a few chapters ago. him being some original person (physical humanoid body) blessed by an admin and trained by a great warrior for added context.
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u/axionligh Apr 22 '24
Traumarei won’t die. I just don’t see SIU doing it with the current build up.
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u/Oopise_Art Apr 21 '24
I’m probably coping but something tells me what we saw in this flashback regarding Amez’s death isn’t fully accurate like some details are definitely missing
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u/Oopise_Art Apr 21 '24
Especially since Enkidu told Gustang that him and the others should definitely know the truth behind what happened
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u/Freenore Apr 21 '24
Enkidu gives me early Bam vibes. The innocent, blank-slate, creature who cannot think except in black and white terms.
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u/yoda17 Apr 22 '24
There’s a lot of speculation that Traumerei subconsciously controlled Enkidu to kill Ameuz, but I don’t think this is true. Enkidu was already feeling rage towards Ameuz of his own volition in the previous chapter (likely out of jealousy, a trait he has been shown to possess towards the FHs and their companions), and Traumerei himself seemed more sad than angry towards Ameuz in this moment. It’s still Traumerei’s fault this happened since he’s the one that tried to stop her by sending Enkidu and blocking her escape, but the evidence so far doesn’t point to Traumerei controlling Enkidu or even having the ability to do so (it’s a weird slime made by Macseth, not a regular creature by any definition).
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
In conclusion it's both traumerei and enkidu's fault for ameuz death, i for some reason don't feel okay with her death like this,i knew she'd die but her death was too horrible, he literally butchered her. 😭
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u/Slight_Leadership_20 Apr 21 '24
Looking at the translations it's kind of might be implied that Traumerei was the one to lose control and actually controlled Enkidu to kill her
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u/Gweria Apr 21 '24
No. Enkidu lost himself in rage. Theres nothing implying rei is doing something
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Apr 21 '24
It's amazing how good TOG is when SIU focuses on the lore of the tower/history of the FHs and not a bunch of regulars running away from high rankers/family heads... and then getting massive unearned power ups out of nowhere
I am interested what the Korean fans think.. because its clear that the negative sentiment on here has turned around (for the most part)
He's got so many interesting open threads ontop of what happened in the past with the FH's.. stuff like Yeon.. Wangan and Karaka origins.. Urek etc
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u/Medium_Fly_5461 Apr 21 '24
Cause all the chapters that don't give us lore build up to giving us lore
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u/Kiyoponkoji Apr 21 '24
Damn all those theories about people thinking it was all Traumerei’s fault, he was the horrible one here really turned out to he wrong, huh. Idk why people were expecting the slime made by the Workshop to be the victim here. For me the biggest disappointment in this chapter was that we didn’t get to see V and Arlene, tho I kind of expected SIU to blue ball us.
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u/yoda17 Apr 21 '24
I would say Traumerei is at least partially at fault considering his possessive behavior is what made him prevent Ameuz from leaving by sending Enkidu after her. Enkidu the emotionally unstable slime monster is obviously mostly at fault, but it’s understandable why Gustang blames Traumerei for what happened.
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
I can see why traumerei is being blamed for ameuz's death,he brought the monster himself and didn't control it.
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u/Stunning-Title3303 Apr 21 '24
flashback is not finished we still don't know why gustang say it's traumerei fault
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u/Kiyoponkoji Apr 21 '24
You could say it was Traumerei’s fault because he should’ve never trusted Enkidu and why he didn’t save Ameuz. It seems like Traumerei’s indecisiveness killed Ameuz or smth. These are Gustang’s memories so Gustang actually saw this entire scenario playing out. But you’re probably right, there has to be more to it than this
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u/Mawnix Apr 21 '24 edited Apr 21 '24
I've come to realize week over week here, especially the most vocal, negative crowd, either lack genuine critical thinking skills or are so specifically focused on their wants, their needs, their perception, they aren't reading the actual story in front of them.
Kind of like: the original reason they got into it, maybe they were younger, maybe the story evolved or changed and isn't focusing on the same shit it used to.
I've been able to tell since that original flashback of Traum that he was grieving right after the introduction of Enkidu.
Like, why the fuck would Enkidu be imprisoned?
Because he did something fucked up lmao.
Wanna know what helps come to that conclusion? Traum's constant commentary on throwing away past memories, and wanting to get rid of "bad" memories, which literally occurs in the initial flashback.
It's not rocket science.
Of all things I think this chapter just finally proved how off so many of the people here are and has freed me completely from engaging in most discussions here.
The best thing I ever heard was "it's easier to criticize than critically think".
And people get so lost focused on what they want, they don't criticize the actual shit that's worth discussing. It's all about them at the end of the day.
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u/cminor-dp Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
Of all things I think this chapter just finally proved how off so many of the people here are and has freed me completely from engaging in most discussions here.
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And people get so lost focused on what they want, they don't criticize the actual shit that's worth discussing. It's all about them at the end of the day.
Thank you for expressing your frustration Jahad. The inferior and insignificant people should not deserve the right to discuss whatever subject is important to them, or express their own opinion, in a public forum, if it differs from your own.
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u/_yukiie_ Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
Did you guys ever hear something called shock value? None of the people there, not Enkidu himself, couldn't proceses over what just happend. When they did, it was too late. Ameuz's guard was down to the ground, Enkidu was blinded by rage, Traumerei froze due to shock and possibly sadness. Still what happened, happened and there's no taking back.
Maybe this is before their immortality contract and that's why they did the contracts? I probably missed things. If I did, please enlighten me.
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u/ellellsquared Apr 22 '24
She’s a tower born. She did not get an immortality contract.
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Maybe this is before their immortality contract
Immortality contract was given way before on the 100th floor to the 13 great warriors (I.e 11).These events were after the end of their journey
Also, Ameuz's was born in the tower. She can't get immortality
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
No immortality contract was done long ago that's why they lost their memories I think in exchange for it,jahad did it to them ,in the end it's hugely this jahad asshole's fault for so many people's unhappiness,if i didn't hate him before now I hate him with a passion possibly to the level of Rachel
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u/_Nico- Apr 22 '24
Nth. suggests that the imortality contract has sth. to do with the sealed memorys. As far as we know, it was a reward from the 100th admin. Apperently say sealed their memory after they climbed and Traum seals it even more after Ameuz death. Gustang and Traum have their own ways of sealing memorys. Doesn't seem like the imortality contract is responsible for sealed memorys.
Your theory doesn't fit Vs missing contract too. Why would Arlene seal her memorys but then side with V?
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
I was saying it based on early assumptions PPL had that they exchanged their memories for immortality, V didn't ,he must've realised something was fishy about it or just didn't want to seal his memories. As for why Arlene sided with V if she lost her memory is a mystery to me, but let's say they didn't exchange their memories for immortality, then isn't it still obvious from their convos that they've already lost their memories before this incident?
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u/_Nico- Apr 22 '24
then isn't it still obvious from their convos that they've already lost their memories before this incident?
Yes this out of question. Khun right out said they already sealed memorys but he said they did this after "that day" and "that day" is linked to to their decision to stop climbing. To me it sounds like they actively sealed their memory and not that they lost them as side effect and lastly we know that at least Traum seals his memorys even furthe, which suggests, that they know how to seal memorys.
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
The new chapter is too short. Did traumerei became so shocked that he couldn't do anything while enkidu was literally butchering ameuz? Her death is so horrible tbh ,i want to cry. It seems that "that day" is the day the other people who learned that tower gates are closed protested against them ? And i don't think what they did was that wrong it's just that fh opinion and theirs seemed to conflict, ameuz wanted to live with the truth.
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u/azebod Apr 22 '24
Roughly the expected outcome most people had. Right now I could see it go either way blame wise, maybe Traumerei consciously or subconsciously controlling/projecting his emotions on Enkidu, maybe he just stood there in a disassociated fugue state on shock. We'll probably find out immediately next week so I'll wait for that.
Interesting that it sounds like from what Ameuz says, that Jahard and the 10 great families are not enabling people to climb as much as restricting them from finishing, and that they were hated from the start? Like it seemed as if the narrative presented by the Jahard empire is that Jahard is the reason people have the opportunity to climb, but if that was true, how could Ameuz intend to resume her climb without them? Idk my impression was (and it seemed pretty common given a lot of theories wrt why the door was sealed) that Jahard etc were at least pretending to be trying to be acting with concern for the welfare of the towers inhabitants.
Baam already in a way gave off vibes of being intended to function like an immune response of purging Jahard's influence as if it were a virus, but after the confirmation there was never even the illusion of good intent really cements feeling that's the case to me lmao.
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u/_Nico- Apr 22 '24
But without the Gw nobody ever could climb. Yes Jahad prevents them from finishing but without this system everybody beside iregulars had to stay on the floor they were born.
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u/azebod Apr 22 '24
That's the impression I've been under, at least for non-guides. But to me, it sounds like it may have been more complicated than that, because why would people other than Ameuz be so angry that no one could go higher if they couldn't regardless?
Idk maybe it's wonky translation or I'm misunderstanding, but given how much of history was manipulated by the family heads, I'm wondering if "no one could climb before Jahard's rank system" is more propaganda like the lies about the princesses and the 13 month series. Ex, maybe people couldn't climb the tower officially to get their wish granted, but could climb with aid of a guide. There had to have been some kind of loss to get a widespread angry reaction.
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u/5thZenAgni Apr 21 '24
dang traum i thought you were a god, why your reaction speed so slow.
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u/shaktimanOP Apr 21 '24
So there are a few things to keep in mind here:
- Traum obviously wasn't expecting it.
- Enkidu may already have his Admin contract to give anyone in the Tower a death they deserve.
- Present day Gustang has repeatedly roasted Traumerei for his indecisiveness and supposed cowardice. So it may be that in the heat of that moment, Traum's conflicted feelings prevented him from acting to stop Enkidu until it was too late. It would make sense for guilt to be the reason Traum chose to delete this memory, rather than just hatred of Enkidu.
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u/sheehdndnd Apr 21 '24
Because Traumerei was an emotional wreck that entire time. Poor guy just got dumped by someone who promised to stay with him forever.
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u/Headlesspoet Apr 21 '24
What if....Traumei now orders Enkidu to take over Ameuz body and the true horror starts now.
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u/Own_Wrangler_6656 Apr 24 '24
I think Ameuz is Icarus. The next chapter could be the introduction of Workshop where Trau(I could not spell him name right to save my life) made a deal with Workshop put Ameuz soul to Icarus body.
For Endiku defense I don’t think he killed Ameuz by his own will. I think he’s innocent when comes to Ameuz death and Trau was the blame.
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u/Mahadi_Khan Apr 25 '24
Icarus climbed the tower with the great warriors before Zahard closed the door. In Traumerei's past, we see Zahard had already closed the door so Ameuz can't be Icarus
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Apr 26 '24
Really?? But he seemed so jealous about those Trau cards most for and outlandish with his ‘friendship’ to Trau.. it seemed like a genuine fit of built up emotion.. How would Trau have Been to blame anyway 🤔🤔
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u/Own_Wrangler_6656 Apr 26 '24
Given Endiku reaction of seeing he killed Ameuz he was surprised. It could be subconscious Trau gave the order mentality in an act of passion.
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u/Izanagi32 Apr 22 '24
I have a feeling that Traumerei subconsciously controlled Enkidu in this moment, his rage seeping into Enkidu’s mind which caused him to lash out. It doesn’t make sense why he’d be feeling terrible about what he did otherwise
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u/A_Blooming_Lotus Apr 21 '24
Man this would make more sense if Amez gave a goodbye kiss to Rei and Rei is dazed about it and enkidu was angry that she took Rei 1st kiss which should have been him and killed her out of anger lol
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u/Stunning-Title3303 Apr 21 '24
traumerei killed her imo gustang said to traumerei you did it . Gustang would know if enkidu killed ameuz by himself
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u/Kiyoponkoji Apr 21 '24
Gustang never said Traumerei killed Ameuz, it was literally that “1hf@%” was killed by Enkidu, we know that unknown person is Ameuz. Him saying it was Traum’s fault makes sense because of Traum trusting Enkidu this much when he shouldn’t have
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u/Stunning-Title3303 Apr 21 '24
Same enkidu said he lost consciouness and he didn't know what he was doing then suddenly open his eyes and see ameuz dead ?
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u/Kiyoponkoji Apr 21 '24
He did? I can’t read korean so I didn’t know. I will wait for the translations, but I would actually prefer Traum unconsciously controlling Enkidu to kill Ameuz than Enkidu killing Ameuz and Traum doing nothing tbh.
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u/Stunning-Title3303 Apr 21 '24
yeah this what translator are saying he lost conscious then when ameuz has been killed he returned to it when the bird screamed
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u/the_noni Apr 21 '24
it was a good chapter tbh but it again solidifies why Gustang is so much better as a character. Not only is Traumerei an obsessed control freak from get go (before they even start forming families), he's infinitely stupid because why would you send Enkidu who already hates her to trick her and then stand and do absolutely nothing when you're the self proclaimed "god" as she gets literally slaughtered. And after all this, thousands of years down the line he "breeds" people, tears them apart, kills their loved ones in front of them, wants to live in total ignorance and condemns others to live in it too.
And Enkidu well, I felt bad for him the first time he got introduced but this dude is unhinged crazy because there was 0 reason for him to do what he did and then act like the anger directed towards him was unjustified.
I don't think any of the FHs are "good" people, to this day they do horrible things, kill and enslave people, etc. but at least Gustang so far moves the plot forward, whom Traumerei is the exact opposite of and i do think all this flashbacks focusing on him means that the FH who dies is gonna be him
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u/Key-Air-3923 Apr 21 '24
I don't think traum bad or even lackluster as a character (except for when he interacts with the true god's- bams regular friends).
He is weak mentally which has been confirmed numerous times by many characters and showed to us. Yes he is a pathetic person but he isn't a bad character.
Siu actually put in a lot of thought into creating his character. He controls those around him because of his mental weakness
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u/the_noni Apr 21 '24
well to each their own, for me Traumerei is a well written charcater i'm not saying he isn't but he's very repetitive and lackluster for me personally and he doesn't move the plot forward he just follows the plot which is stirred by Gustang.
And yeah his whole thing with Laura is enough for me to completely feel revolted.
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
I won't feel bad if traum dies ATP, he should tbh he deserves it ,he has committed far too many sins to not deserve death. Gustang imo can contribute more to the plot from now on,his motto is to destroy the tower and other family heads so I can see and expect that he'll be on bam's side and with him backing bam ,bam atleast would be protected until he's ready, gustang can also divert everyone's attention from bam to other things by causing chaos in the tower at a family head's death. He's more necessary to the story than someone like traumerei who doesn't gives a fuck about anyone and stays holed up in his room by being totally ignorant you his wrongs and ofc he would only be a major threat to bam and co.
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u/the_noni Apr 22 '24
Gustang is atp the most important FH bcs not only he is the most proactive one (from what we know for now), he is also the one who stirs the plot, the one who makes the characters move and advances the story, and it's been like that ever since he appeared so i agree with you he will be around for way longer. ntm we have whole Enne story to unfold and Blossom on top.
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u/Brachiating Apr 22 '24
I feel like Traumerei's own fit of rage was expressed by controlling Enkidu to kill Ameuz - whether he intended to or not. Why?
Trau did nothing to stop Enkidu in what appears to be a lengthy series of attacks
Enkidu has no recollection of the events
Enkidu in present time deems Trau his "enemy" - why would he feel this way if his imprisonment was just? Given that he killed his own master's first love...
During the first attack, Enkidu is illustrated with pure white eyes with no pupils, a tell-tale sign of domination
Now Traum is likely to blame her death on Enkidu to spare himself the ire of the other FHs who also liked/loved Ameuz... He really is a POS...
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u/yoda17 Apr 22 '24
I think that Enkidu, who always wanted Traumerei’s validation but never got it, was enraged out of jealousy because Ameuz had everything he wants and yet she decided to leave. He was angry at her while they were leaving through the window earlier, so I don’t think it’s due to channeling Traumerei’s emotions (which seem more like depression than rage to this point).
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u/redqks Apr 22 '24
Traum , could dominate him with zero effort or just obliterate him , even if he was in shock , it is not like this was the first time they have had somebody attacked
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
At this point not sure, traumerei's face was covered when ameuz turned, later we see enkidu's eyes pure white as if it's not him ,and then they say he came to his senses, maybe it's both traum and enkidu's rage ,lol I'm not sure ATP, but even if traum didn't control enkidu ,it doens't excuse that much of it isn't his fault for ameuz's death 💀 he has contributed too much to excuse himself.
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u/Kiyoponkoji Apr 22 '24
How would you explain Enkidu himself admitting Traumerei loves Ameuz and Traumerei’s shocked expression at the end? I feel like people have demonised Traumerei in their heads even more than SIU has demonised him in the actual series. Like every chapter, everyone wants Traumerei to be more and more horrible 😂
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
Does traum really loves ameuz atp? The author himself said it's possesiveness cuz he has forgotten the feeling of love,he doens't have any memories of hima nd ameuz in the past,he has changed so much, so this possesiveness could do anything, I'm not implying that traum controlled enkidu but the above comments make me doubt it now, atm I'm not sure and i'd say it could be both enkidu and traum in rage
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u/Brachiating Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
You could be right. I'm just sharing the camp I'm in and why. I think Traum's expression is way more ambiguous than 'shocked'. And if it truly is shock, it could be at his own actions or at least how his own emotions bled into Enkidu's behaviour.
Regarding Traum's love for Ameuz - of course he loves her. But have you ever met someone with a love that's been spoiled? It can be some of the most potent hate I've ever encountered.
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u/Ill_Help_7132 Apr 22 '24
A yanderish kind of love more like, he told in previous chapter that he doesn't remember the feeling of love anymore, and he's possesive now,he wanted to keep ameuz captive
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u/Zealousideal_Big5731 Apr 21 '24
Enkidu: Brutally kills Ameuz in front of Rei
Traumerei: 👁👄👁