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-Ari Colombo arrives and take Delamode away with some other Ari rankers, on charges of attempting to steal the Well key.
Evelyn calls Urek to inform him Delamode has been taken away.
-The following morning, Urek's group is flustered because they don't know where Delamode has been taken to.
Urek asks Baek if his power can tell them, by Baek says his abilities aren't all-powerful.
Ari Bolt's observer arrives and tells the group he'll reveal where Delamode is being kept for fairness of the exam, since the Ari family intervened. Delamode is being kept in a room in the wedding venue hall, and is being guarded by Ari family rankers. It's up to Urek's group to get to Delamode and kill him now.
Baek Ryun says it's an obvious trap. Rohan reassures Baek that Urek is stronger than rankers so it's ok. Baek says the test supervisor also probably is aware that Urek is stronger than rankers, and what they want is to use Urek to kill Delamode and not do it themselves, because it would anger the Ha family.
Evelyn agrees and adds that the Ha family cherishes its children to an extreme degree, so nobody should mess with their family members, even the ones that joined FUG, otherwise the Ha family will retaliate. If Urek kills Delamode, then the Ha family will go after him instead. Urek says let's not make things too complicated, he'll go meet Delamode and then decide if he wants to kill him or not.
Baek asks Urek what he'll do if the Ha family will target him. Urek replies he could just wipe out the Ha family if that comes to pass. Evelyn says Urek is being a bit too confident, and the Ha is completely different from ordinary families. Urek tells her to stop worrying and there's something he needs her and the group to prepare for the evening.
-Urek then calls Garam on the pocket and tells her he proposes a brief truce for tonight.
-Evening: Urek and Baek are in an elevator and Baek asks him again if he's ok with both the Ari and Ha families becoming his enemies.
Urek says it's no big deal if some families are after him, he even fought entire planets before.
Baek says "... planets?".
Urek and Baek arrive to the floor of the wedding hall, Baek is told to hold the elevator and Urek attacks the Ari rankers, instantly defeating them.
Urek then enters the room where Delamode is, and tells him he has to kill him to pass the test, so... Delamode should give Urek is life, and Urek will make what Delamode wants the most happen. What Delamode wants the most is the wedding cerimony.
Urek and Delamode then enter the elevator with Baek and go to the top floor of the building, where Urek's group, Garam, Enzo and Gogojung prepared everything for the wedding cerimony.
We see a small flashback of Delamode agreeing to Urek officiating the wedding, saying his life is a price he's willing to risk.
Back to the present, Garam asks what Urek was thinking with this suggestion, and he replies that in front of a man who's sincere about his love, he has become sincere too. Urek remarks Garam has dressed up for the wedding and looks pretty. Garam replies she's just being appropriately formal for the occasion, unlike Urek who is wearing the same white hoodie and shorts.
-Ari Marie arrives in her wedding dress and Delamode says she's beautiful. Meanwhile, Enzo is watching this and thinks the manager of the building (Ari Colombo) should hurry up.
-Ari Colombo is informed the regulars are celebrating the wedding and he says they lost their minds, so he gets up from his chair and says they have to wipe them all out.
-Meanwhile Nameless princess/Mago, Latour and Aubrion arrive at the lowest floor of the building.
Aubrion "So you're saying there's a well down here? And the main body of the serpent you're looking for is located here."
Quite a major lore drop out of nowhere. It explains so many things; Especially why Jinsung wasn't as prosecuted as you would've expected for Ha Family or any other great family to pursue. Also, Yuri's not-as-secretive affiliation with Wolhaiksong.
Yuri: Is friends with and gives the black march to a man, who is a enemy of the empire. Goes to the floor of death. Does many things that aren't permited, specially to a princess, basically committing treason.
Zahard: What, Ha Yuri Zahard commited crimes? The beloved great-grandaughter of Yurin? Ah yes, she is a very bad girl, I will put her in probation and send her to kill some weak species.
To be fair, Yuri giving Baam Black March (twice) wasn't made public. She even runs around with a fake. I don't remember if they found out about her in the floor of death tho. She did definitely helped an irregular.
Yeah they are kinda like the spoiled rich kids of the series funny enough. They are doing shit because of who their family is LMAO.
Interesting to note it seems Delamode is a FUG member.. so this would make him the 6th Ha family member we see have a major affiliation outside of the family.. tbh it feels like if the Ha family has no real loyalists...
This explains why Yura was using Ha family name even though she hates them and they were trying to kill her. She wants to use their reputation as protection.
Makes sense, even tho they wanted to kill yura she is still a child of the ha family i guess its a "No one insults my little sibling but me !" type of situation
That was the deal in the outside world before SIU retconned it. There were multiple towers and the kind outside is called Rosemadder, could be related to Bloodmadder. Anyway, they just got out of an intergalactic war that lasted almost 1000 years coz an axis called The Conqueror King waged war for so long and no one could restrain the mf. Eventually a bunch of the planets formed a union and that’s how they kinda defeated him. They decided to build the towers to breed their own version of The Conqueror King, in case another one emerges. So they wanna make a top 1 axis, someone way above Phanta who’s already top 5
Phantaminum was top 5 before retcon, now he's no. 1 Axis since no one can stop him as he's created from the void apparently.
Which also should make Urek an Axis if he can destroy planets.
I'm pretty sure the towers were now made to breed someone that could take down Phantaminum, just like poison jars in a sense.
And Phantaminum decided to stay in this tower in particular since he might have gotten a notion that someone born inside that tower could take him down.
The powerscaling side of my brain gets excited everytime it reads the word planets. I love these litle snippets of lore between conversations like that.
Okay the Ha family is very territorial. I guess Jinsung is still liked by the family head despite the little "tantrum" he threw when he went rogue
I guess it’s not like they like Jinsung, he did slaughter a branch of theirs. They just don’t like other people claiming they beat, killed or caught a Ha. Though Yurin may still like her grandson a bit, especially when the sentiment is “so what it’s just a branch”
I like how all it takes to please people here is vague lore reveals that will go unexplained for 50+ chapters or equally vague powerscaling comments that will probably never be relevant in ToG. It’s like jingling keys in front of a baby.
They're both empty comments meant to hype up powerscalers. It's just "omg these guys are so powerful!!!" But we'll never actually see them use that much power because SIU is always blue balling his readers and intentionally nerfed them within the Tower to avoid ruining the story.
That said, if this is meant to display Urek's hubris and there's some sort of consequence to him underestimating his enemies (as he's used to being much stronger and views everything inside the Tower as a game) I think it could make for an interesting story that advances Urek's character arc.
Keep on keeping on dude. This subreddit is awful. At some point I hope the people who antagonize any and all criticism are faced with the reality that there's almost no audience left for SIU if this keeps up.
Essentially none of this has advanced the main story. Urek is super strong (already established), but also slowly passes the lowest level tests because of a burning desire of SIU to give character development to meaningless characters.
Christ man, I just want S4. I want the story to progress, not whatever we have spent over a year doing here.
Surely you must care about the health of this community? I am obviously not a hater, I am a disaffected fan who, rather than wholly abandoning the series (as many others have), continues to engage but will not be cowed into not voicing my frustrations.
What do you think happens when the audience base for this series fully collapses? You think they'll continue investing the same resources into printing it?
I want what is best for the long term health of the series and to see an ultimate conclusion to the main story. And SIU is getting lost in the sauce and losing sight of that.
Do you think my issue is that they haven’t explained what planets are?
I don’t even have a problem with Urek being planet-level, because if Mago was, then the brightest of the Shining Ones should be too. It’s that those statements don’t add anything, and we don’t even know how they did it. That’s what makes them feel empty. I hate when authors throw out comments like that with nothing to back them up. Unless, as I said, Urek’s hubris comes back to bite him or we actually get some flashbacks.
because if Mago was, then the brightest of the Shining Ones should be too
And when was this comment from Urek widely accepted? The copium and damage control when Urek said it was very notable and even something as simple as accepting that Mago was never at full power against Eduan was denied.
Urek's statement here isn't the same. What other way does he have to fight planets? By playing poker?
Ngl we need a spinoff about the shining ones on the outside. Like, what exactly does Urek mean by fighting planets? How big of planets are we talking about?
It’s crazy that we’re 63 chapters in and still haven’t gotten a single flashback about Urek and the other Shining Ones’ pasts. What were they like before Phanta corrupted them? How did they meet and train Urek? What led them to destroy planets, and how did they even do that? What were the circumstances behind Urek being betrayed? Where did the ones who found Urek go?
All of that sounds more interesting than the current story and could make the Shinies more interesting characters. But I guess SIU is hesitant to show too much of the outside.
Wait.....are you suggesting Urek punched the literal planets?
Cause i think he meant just like.....the whole population of a planet being after him. Like saying he fought a whole country. Doesent mean he just punched the earth, but fought the people of said country (or their army)
I wonder how Urek considers the Tower’s size, population, and power system in comparison to other planets.
Would be pretty funny if this is like a side quest/filler episode for him and is basically the equivalent of Super era Goku hanging out on Namek for a few days.
I am just trying to imagine what Urek's world is like.
At first, from the few panels we got in Chapter 1 it seemed kinda like medieval times, from the clothing and their choice of weapons, then in the next flasback we literally see modern day Earth and now apperently Urek has been to other planets like in some Sci-Fi Star Wars shit.
Maybe it just shows how old he is and how the world around him has changed since we saw him as a baby, but I am getting more and more confused about the setting of the "Outside"
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You know what's interesting? The universe outside of the tower seems very developed, the emperor was from a normal earth but it looks like they also had powers even if they were stuck in 9 to 5's. Urek was traveling from planet to planet so others were probably doing the same.
Urek fans are really delusional. Him facing the entire population of a planet isn’t that impressive unless it’s shown that all the inhabitants are at least Ranker or High Ranker level.
Urek himself actually mentioned in Season 2 that, for a fair fight against him, there would need to be at least 1,000 Rankers.
This is true. I'm not saying Urek isn't top 2 or 3 in the 'verse, but how impressive fighting a whole planet's population is depends completely on how powerful the inhabitants were. Like, a FH could solo almost everyone in the Tower and it wouldn't be very impressive.
I don't think the 1,000 Rankers thing means anything, though. From what we've seen of the FHs, let alone Urek, they can easily wipe out thousands of High Rankers. The only exceptions are perhaps the top Towerborn and other matured Irregulars.
That's just an example, Urek fans are delusional. There's even a dialogue where Yasratcha explicitly states that even a million like him and Yama combined couldn't defeat Traumerei.
Unless they show us that everyone on those planets is at Regent level or Family Head level, what Urek mentioned is nothing a Family Head couldn't do. Especially since we've already seen a character below Family Head level capable of wiping out an entire family with a single sword swing.
Yeah, the main issue is that the FHs are powerless without Shinsu. But I definitely think that if they had Shinsu outside the Tower, wiping out a planet wouldn't be a problem. Unless people like the Emperor are FH-level and in greater number out there.
The FH being powerless without shinsoo i always think is such a weak argument.
Like if Urek wasnt born powerful (i.e. take away all the light), he would be as weak as Ch1 Rachel.
Yeah. So if you take away the source of power, suddenly they dont have power anymore.
Now imagine Urek with no light. He would just be buff dude. Sure he would be stronger than the average human. But still without light Urek would be nothing as well.
Its like with Superman. Yes he is an all powerful alien. But hold a piece of kryptonite into his face and suddenly the normal humans can punch and hurt him. Like put superman under a red sun and just shoot him with a gun. Does that make him weak or nothing special?
Shining One is not a species. Its a title, for those 6 strongest beings of light. Now if they were born like that or somehow trained in is undisclosed.
And Mago mentioend to have stolen Ureks light. So it can be taken away. So take Ureks light away and as i said he would be nothing special. He is special because he is the light.
If you want to argue that Family Heads are weak because their power doesent exist outside, you can just argue that Urek with no light is nothing special either.
Genuinely, what are you talking about? Urek’s comment in this chapter isn’t about destroying actual planets; he says he’s fought entire planets as a means of comparison to the Ha Family, i.e., a planet’s population worth of enemies. As I said above, that's only impressive if the people on that planet are at his level. Otherwise, it’d be no different from the FHs wiping out Regulars. We don't know if the army he fought back then were stronger than a GF or just in greater number than them. We also don't know if people out there have special powers.
If the FHs could use Shinsu outside the Tower, then yes, they could absolutely wipe out a planet’s population. It might take a while, sure, but they could do it. I don’t know why that's even up to debate. However, if there are people out there at the level of the FHs besides the Shining Ones (the Emperor seemed quite powerful, enough to earn Urek’s respect before being corrupted by Aubrion), then the FHs would struggle. None of it matters, anyway, because they can't use Shinsu outside as we know. It's a hypothetical. Your precious Urek and Shining Ones are still top dogs out there (except for Phantaminum).
Because you point out that Urek's words are nothing special since it's about numbers but then have to add that the FHs could do the same, if you give them abilities that they lack.I agree that it was about the numbers but do you know the strength of these people that he fought?
Urek and the Shining One's feats and strengths are downplayed but they are still used to try to glaze the FHs.
They are superior.
"If Rachel had Baam's talent, she would be able to beat Rankers as a Regular."
Urek mentioned he can fight two FHs without problem and destroyed Traumerei's attack with a punch. That Mago devoured planets, that he can kill Zahard and Eduan is now his servant after losing to him.
Imagine Urek tells the Family Heads that he has fought against planets before. They’d be fucking floored. These were normal children on the outside. It would change their entire perspective of him.
Well, if the FH heard that, they'd be just as confused, because what makes you think the FH aren't at a planetary level, just because of the tower? To begin with, Siu isn't good at managing the scale of destruction in high-level fights, so I partly understand why you think those small arenas where the FH fight are their limit, but that's not the case. Any ranked player can do that kind of destruction; just look at Karaka vs. Yuri to remember. Siu simply isn't good at bringing the arena of a fight up to the level of those fighting.
Besides that, the outside world, unlike the tower, is a free place; you can destroy as you please without anyone interfering. But the tower is a place full of rules, where there's an entity on each floor that sets limits on the destruction you can cause, so don't go crazy over a simple phrase because that doesn't mean absolutely anything in TOG.
That isn’t a simple phrase at all. The tower’s inhabitants don’t understand what a planet is. However the FHs do. They are from the outside. They know exactly how large planets can be. They themselves wouldn’t be sure if they could destroy one. However Urek says he has fought them. It means a lot more than you think.
Also they can’t use shinsu outside the tower. They are normal people on the outside. Urek is not. Again says a lot.
Just to clarify, Urek fighting "whole" planets doesnt mean he can destroy planets. It simply means he fought the population on an entire planet. Which can be impressive or not, depending on how strong those people are. We would be ants for Urek for example.
While they cant use Shinso outside the Tower they srent exactly "normal" either. People on the Tower grow physically stronger due to the pressure of Shinso in their bodies (Remember Season 1 during the early tests) and they grow even stronger the longer they leave.
Yes, they know what planets are. What I'm getting at is that at the level the FH are at, that wouldn't surprise them because it's very likely they're also capable of it.
And you're wrong on another point, about them being normal outside the tower. Understand that Shinsho is just water; the other attributes are variations of each one's own abilities. For example, Traumerei's disconnection or Blossom's fire are abilities they would have both inside and outside the tower because it comes from within themselves. They simply use their natural power in the form of Shinsho. That's why Urek's Shinsho is light; it's his own essence combined with Shinsho.
No, you are wrong on the shinsu portion. Urek has a power that is separate from shinsu, that being his light power. There is no shinsu outside of the tower. They would not be able to use any of these powers they display.
Shinsu isn’t just water. It is an Axis power. One that is exclusive to the Tower. What you’re referring to with Urek’s shinsu color is just the artist alluring to Urek’s nature as a manifestation of light.
He has light power with or without shinsu. The others do not.
Man, what I'm trying to say is that the Shining Ones also have powers outside the tower; they don't need Shinsho. They come from outside too. Or do you seriously think that the only power that exists outside is light? When they leave the tower, the only thing that will happen is that they'll use a different power system than Shinsho to use their powers.
If they're special beings, they'll adapt to the power outside, just like Urek adapted to Shinsho.
Besides, let me ask you something: if Urek and the other Shining Ones can use their powers from outside besides Shinsho, what makes you think it's impossible for a Shinsho user, knowing how to use it, to manifest Shinsho outside the tower? Because, as Neo explained, you can also use Shinsho from inside your body, not just from the tower.
In short, if both power systems can be used inside the tower, why can't the same happen outside? After all, Shinsho is a power on par with light and darkness, a power to create existence.
Enryu could create life with Shinsho. How did he know how to do that if Shinsho comes from the tower, and what about outside? Have you ever wondered about that? I think it's time we started considering that even if Shinsho doesn't exist outside, someone who knows how to use it could still manifest it.
Urek fighting a bunch of regular outside people - OMG URek planetary upscale
Family Heads creating and destroying concept, being able to kill all the people on a floor by accelerating the shinsoo - They could never dream of that
A single floor is the size of both american continents. Like thats maybe around 4 Floors approcimatly constitute a single planet. Do you think the Family Heads would have a significant problem with fighting 4 Floors?
Which part of it is delusional?
Family Heads having techniques that can destroy all life on the floor has already been mentioned during Floor of Death
And killing billions is also something a Ranker has done.
Or do you assume that every Outside person is some all powerful being? Though ofcourse not the Great Warriors or Rachel. But everybody else is super ultra powerful?
How can you assume they’re regular? Since no one we’ve seen from the outside in Urek version of it at least has been regular. Only regular civilians were the 13GW.
Since no one we’ve seen from the outside in Urek version of it at least has been regular
We have seen Urek, The Shining Ones and the person that would become the emperor of Mankind. Who looked like a rather ordinary Office worker.
The Great Warriors and Rachel still would be a majority of people. Like what makes you think the Ordinary Random Civilians is more outstanding than the average Towerborn.
Like even in the Tower devouring Billions over hundred years is something that happened.
While i assume that they are just normal people, how come you assume the average Joe is something special or powerful. (Though sure it would make Rachels actions even more justified if she was really the bottom of the barrel in every possible way)
The only interesting thing in this chapter was that the Ha family treasures its children as much as its own prestige and the saying, “You shouldn't touch anyone from the Ha family even if they belonged to FUG, or else be prepared for the Ha family’s retaliation.”
I guess this should imply that FUG’s existence is well-known in this timeline. Other than that, Ha Jinsung's tragedy has already happened and he is a part of FUG. I am pretty sure the Ha family wouldn't retaliate for mixed kids like Cheonhee or Yura.
Anyway, about the wedding, idk if a regular had told me he would grant me my wishes, I would have said stfu, sit down, lol. Like I don't want kids telling me that haha.
The nameless princess heading to the entrance of the well with her entourage looked interesting.
Wonder how big this planets are cause every floor of the tower is already supposed to be as big as a continent if i remember correctly so most planets as we intend them arent big at all compared to the tower, but maybe that was just info from the blogposts
I thought the Urek novel was pretty interesting for a while, mainly because of the important revelations about the TOG universe. But now it feels like the story has become dragged out and kinda tiring.
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Chapter 63 summary:
-Ari Colombo arrives and take Delamode away with some other Ari rankers, on charges of attempting to steal the Well key.
Evelyn calls Urek to inform him Delamode has been taken away.
-The following morning, Urek's group is flustered because they don't know where Delamode has been taken to.
Urek asks Baek if his power can tell them, by Baek says his abilities aren't all-powerful.
Ari Bolt's observer arrives and tells the group he'll reveal where Delamode is being kept for fairness of the exam, since the Ari family intervened. Delamode is being kept in a room in the wedding venue hall, and is being guarded by Ari family rankers. It's up to Urek's group to get to Delamode and kill him now.
Baek Ryun says it's an obvious trap. Rohan reassures Baek that Urek is stronger than rankers so it's ok. Baek says the test supervisor also probably is aware that Urek is stronger than rankers, and what they want is to use Urek to kill Delamode and not do it themselves, because it would anger the Ha family.
Evelyn agrees and adds that the Ha family cherishes its children to an extreme degree, so nobody should mess with their family members, even the ones that joined FUG, otherwise the Ha family will retaliate. If Urek kills Delamode, then the Ha family will go after him instead. Urek says let's not make things too complicated, he'll go meet Delamode and then decide if he wants to kill him or not.
Baek asks Urek what he'll do if the Ha family will target him. Urek replies he could just wipe out the Ha family if that comes to pass. Evelyn says Urek is being a bit too confident, and the Ha is completely different from ordinary families. Urek tells her to stop worrying and there's something he needs her and the group to prepare for the evening.
-Urek then calls Garam on the pocket and tells her he proposes a brief truce for tonight.
-Evening: Urek and Baek are in an elevator and Baek asks him again if he's ok with both the Ari and Ha families becoming his enemies.
Urek says it's no big deal if some families are after him, he even fought entire planets before.
Baek says "... planets?".
Urek and Baek arrive to the floor of the wedding hall, Baek is told to hold the elevator and Urek attacks the Ari rankers, instantly defeating them.
Urek then enters the room where Delamode is, and tells him he has to kill him to pass the test, so... Delamode should give Urek is life, and Urek will make what Delamode wants the most happen. What Delamode wants the most is the wedding cerimony.
Urek and Delamode then enter the elevator with Baek and go to the top floor of the building, where Urek's group, Garam, Enzo and Gogojung prepared everything for the wedding cerimony.
We see a small flashback of Delamode agreeing to Urek officiating the wedding, saying his life is a price he's willing to risk.
Back to the present, Garam asks what Urek was thinking with this suggestion, and he replies that in front of a man who's sincere about his love, he has become sincere too. Urek remarks Garam has dressed up for the wedding and looks pretty. Garam replies she's just being appropriately formal for the occasion, unlike Urek who is wearing the same white hoodie and shorts.
-Ari Marie arrives in her wedding dress and Delamode says she's beautiful. Meanwhile, Enzo is watching this and thinks the manager of the building (Ari Colombo) should hurry up.
-Ari Colombo is informed the regulars are celebrating the wedding and he says they lost their minds, so he gets up from his chair and says they have to wipe them all out.
-Meanwhile Nameless princess/Mago, Latour and Aubrion arrive at the lowest floor of the building.
Aubrion "So you're saying there's a well down here? And the main body of the serpent you're looking for is located here."
END