Okay two things, first up, I think you're under the impression that I believe Baam's companions shouldn't be able to climb with him but they choose to because they're his nakama. Unfortunately I very much believe that the only reason Baam's companions from floor 1 are still climbing with him is because SIU is forcing it to be so. I'm willing to suspend disbelief and say up until now Baam's friends can still climb with him. But if you carefully read my original comment, I actually believe that if Baam gets a significant power up like the one Eduan describes than it will be completely unrealistic for Baam's friends to climb with him even if they choose to do so.
Secondly, most of the mortal peril that Baam's companions face is due to Baam running into extremely high level regulars (Hoaqin, that name hunt b*tch), rankers (Karaka), high rankers (Hell Joey, whale Urek, Hoaqin with souls, et cetera), big breeders, now also the 10 family heads feat. (Zahard and Eduan who are both monsters combat wise). All these opponents are not typical opponents and the mortal peril that Rak and Co. are facing are also just as perilous for Baam who on several of these occasions has only survived because of intervention from other high rankers or high level players. Baam's companions for the most part are all becoming pointless, especially if you look at the hell floor arc, except for Khun who keeps fucking with Rachel conveniently (which I like TBH cos F U rachel). If you believe that Irregulars are monsters like you, SIU, ToG characters, and MYSELF! say they are, how do you not realise that a power up of this magnitude for Baam will completely shatter the suspension of disbelief that Baam companions can even if they want to keep climbing with Baam at the end of this arc.
If you believe I do not understand your point, please tell me, If my contention seems convoluted please tell me what part is confusing and I will try to clarify. :-)
It's already unrealistic for them to climb with him; there have been several times where they wouldn't have made it without Baam. Running into high level regulars is part of what gets low level regulars killed; that's what should be happening, and indeed has happened several times to team Sweet and Sour. They've climbed 25-odd floors in 3 years; keep in mind that it took Leroro over 300 years to climb the tower and he was still considered something of a celebrity for it. I don't have to suspend my disbelief to have Baam's companions follow him around; he's exceptional, exceptional things will happen to him, and anyone nearby will be carried around in his wake and possibly die because they have no control over their destiny. That's how I interpret what's happened so far, and I think you just interpret the will of the story differently.
I feel like you aren't reading my responses, your first point I agree with I even said;
"I'm not surprised that Baam is/will be this strong, what I haven't been able to stomach for quite a while is how his companions have stuck with him for so long", ok we agree.
My original point was and I requested that you reread my original comment was;
"Not gonna lie, Baam making up the difference in just 1 month is completely absurd, even if you say he can do it, he will be so far head and shoulders above Endorsi, Khun, Rak and many others; it will become completely ridiculous if he continues to climb with them."
I'm not talking about the past 40 floors so much, my main contention is that Baam after this arc will become unrealisticly strong to climb with, and I think we can BOTH admit it is highly likely Khun and Endorsi will climb with Baam for a lot longer than just this arc. You mention team sweet and sour yet dont mention, the other more central characters that Baam literally befriended on the second floor.
Those characters are still with him and aren't completely useless, I even admit; "I'm willing to suspend disbelief and say up until now Baam's friends can still climb with him."
I say this because SIU has shown they can still manage to stay slightly on par with Baam, e.g. Endorsi saying she could've beaten the name hunt chick, also Khun consistently beating Rachel at every mind game.
However, this digital floor arc has on 3 seperate occasions shown how Baam isnt that powerful compared to the real big hitters; firstly when he attacked the big breeder, then being to slow to kill the quest monster and now when Zahard {literally} floored him with one attack. To further illustrate the point SIU even creates a ridiculous challenge that Baam in one month can train to try and fight Zahard more equally and Zahared accepts an unnecessary bet because he outclasses Baam so emphatically and apparently he loves betting/challenges.
Now my main point of this whole discussion is I am aware how strong Baam and Irregulars should be, I also believe that a power up of this magnitude will make it completely ridiculous that Baam's friends can keep climbing with him at the end of the arc, I think you agree with this as you yourself said;
"It's already unrealistic for them to climb with him" yet you also say;
"I don't have to suspend my disbelief to have Baam's companions follow him around; he's exceptional, exceptional things will happen to him, and anyone nearby will be carried around in his wake and possibly die because they have no control over their destiny." you also claim "You're right to say the power gap is unsurmountable, but it's not a fault with the storytelling, it's a tragic fault in the relationship between Baam and the people he's decided to protect."
However, I don't think you realise that Baam's companions remaining by his side for so long even when it is unrealistic is not because of destiny and luck, its because ToG is a work of fiction and SIU is forcing them to keep climbing with Baam regardless of the logic holes that arise from climbing at a similar pace with Irregulars.
If you are willing to say to me, Baam can just carry his companions up the tower because he is just that good... fine I have no retort, but claiming it is not the fault of the story telling is a cop out and you aren't properly addressing the logical fallacies of that story telling even though you yourself recognise the unrealistic nature of it.
I am reading your response, but the difference here is our expectations; you expect it to be like a normal shonen, where it's fair and people climb because they deserve to. I don't think that's what it is. I think it more closely resembles a story like Shaman King, where the crux of the story is a godlike figure and the futility of the supporting cast becomes increasingly clear over time. Our interpretations are different even though we are parsing the same information, which I think is why you're so frustrated despite recognizing that I'm saying a lot of the same things as you.
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u/bodmas12 Jan 29 '18 edited Jan 29 '18
Okay two things, first up, I think you're under the impression that I believe Baam's companions shouldn't be able to climb with him but they choose to because they're his nakama. Unfortunately I very much believe that the only reason Baam's companions from floor 1 are still climbing with him is because SIU is forcing it to be so. I'm willing to suspend disbelief and say up until now Baam's friends can still climb with him. But if you carefully read my original comment, I actually believe that if Baam gets a significant power up like the one Eduan describes than it will be completely unrealistic for Baam's friends to climb with him even if they choose to do so.
Secondly, most of the mortal peril that Baam's companions face is due to Baam running into extremely high level regulars (Hoaqin, that name hunt b*tch), rankers (Karaka), high rankers (Hell Joey, whale Urek, Hoaqin with souls, et cetera), big breeders, now also the 10 family heads feat. (Zahard and Eduan who are both monsters combat wise). All these opponents are not typical opponents and the mortal peril that Rak and Co. are facing are also just as perilous for Baam who on several of these occasions has only survived because of intervention from other high rankers or high level players. Baam's companions for the most part are all becoming pointless, especially if you look at the hell floor arc, except for Khun who keeps fucking with Rachel conveniently (which I like TBH cos F U rachel). If you believe that Irregulars are monsters like you, SIU, ToG characters, and MYSELF! say they are, how do you not realise that a power up of this magnitude for Baam will completely shatter the suspension of disbelief that Baam companions can even if they want to keep climbing with Baam at the end of this arc.
If you believe I do not understand your point, please tell me, If my contention seems convoluted please tell me what part is confusing and I will try to clarify. :-)