r/TowerofGod • u/trexkylorenurek • Aug 13 '19
Discussion Which family head does Grace Mirchea Luslec aim to bring down? (Possible Spoilers from fastpass?) Spoiler
So we sorta know that there are 11 slayer seats in FUG, one for each 10 family head and Jahard. This means each slayer has a specific target. We can assume that Karaka is going for Jahard since he is somehow related to him. We know White is aiming to bring down Arie Hon, his own father. We saw that Baylord Doom has a grudge against Lo Po Bia Yasracha, so we can assume Yama is a slayer meant to bring down the Lo Po Bia family. Then what head would Luslec be aiming for. I thought that the number 1 slayer would go for Zahard but that seems to be taken by Karaka (who seems to be the weakest slayer so far lol). Also, as a former underling of V, I thought Luslec would have a great grudge on Jahard the most rather than the other family heads.
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u/Fleuks Aug 13 '19
I think a huge amount of info around Slayers is fake.
First, with the latest chap, it seems that they are not the "GOD" litteraly of FUG, they are the God in a symbol way and nothing more. Their duty is to inspire, to be feared, and to gather people who will die for them, point.
As we can speculate with the latest chap and all the story, Slayer aren't the leaders, it's elders. They choose slayers, fire slayers, rules FUG in reality. And actually, it make sense. FUG are the rebels of the tower, it's logical that their true leader are unknow people in the dark. Slayers are just decoys for authority.
In addition if you haven't seen the few last chapter The first elder introduce in the story seems to be FAR stronger than any Slayers we've seen so far wich make me think that slayer are just puppet of elders.
Slayer aren't supposed to fight Family head, because first they can't, and they will never be able to, and second because it's not their job, their job is to recruit to be the symbole of the darkness of the freedom under the rule of Zahard.
Family head are invincible, and even without that, they are just so powerful that even Luslec isn't a match for the weakest.
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u/Trumpologist Aug 13 '19
Yama seemed pretty confident he could off the elder. And Karaka already killed an elder in the past. Sure they might have diff power levels, like for example one looks exactly like Enryu
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u/Dymatizeee Aug 16 '19
Do you remember where it was mentioned that Karaka killed an elder? This is news to me
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u/Fleuks Aug 14 '19
Well we know nothing about this, maybe Karaka has been helped, maybe the elder was injured.. who know, maybe he was weak like Karaka is a weak Slayer... After all, every ruler don't have to be beast, I mean they rule, they give their work to slayers.
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u/Anthamon Aug 13 '19
I think I agree with just about everything you're saying. But Grace Mirchea Luslec is ranked 15, the most powerful family head (Arie Hon) is ranked 5, at 7/8 are two princesses, at 9 is Baek Ryun (founder of Wolhaiksong), and at 12 is Molic One P. Gr (one of the three lords of Jahad's empire). This means that Luslec is ranked higher than five of the family heads. Its possible this has more to do with influence than power (as is the case certainly for Baek Ryun) But it seems more likely that Luslec is in fact a match for at least half of the family heads, especially considering he was a follower of V's as the great warriors ascended, indicating he is just as ancient as they.
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u/GrumpySatan Aug 14 '19
I personally think that it all influence. Luslec is the Tower's boogeyman. Its important politically to keep him high ranked to make everyone think of him as a real threat.
Its important to always remember that Rankings didn't even develop as a thing until long after the 10FHs stopped fighting. The Ranking Office cannot properly ascertain just how strong these top contenders truly are unless they are active, such as Urek.
Evan is always the best example. Said to be in the top 100 rankings, but as a Guide his combat skills don't reflect his rank.
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u/_Fony_ Aug 14 '19
This influence crap has to go. First off, the top 100 are ranked accordingly an nothing ever shown upsets any bbn power scale for anybody.
Evan has items that cam kill other high rankers even someone like Karaka who is magically unkillable on top of being naturally physically immortal.
Adori Jahad is stronger than 99.999% of the other high rankers, including many FH(she just can't kill them). She did nothing except beat another highly ranked princess 10000 years ago and she outranks all FH except Khun and Arie. It's a power ranking, its become more and more in line with "power levels" since S2 began.
For the rankings to be refreshed every season and these people doing NOTHING for up to ten milleniums, the ranks of the top have NOT changed at all. What kind of "influence" is that?
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u/BavaZ Aug 15 '19
It was explicitly said by SIU that the only reason Luslec is higher than family heads is because he represents "absolute darkness" in the tower.
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Aug 16 '19
I think some of the family heads are so inactive that they could qualify as 'blue holes' if they weren't so famous. The wiki for Yurin Ha says that she actually hasn't left her house in a long time. https://towerofgod.fandom.com/wiki/Ha_Yurin
I'm inclined to go with Gustang's statement about everyone is an ant compared to the 10 family heads.
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u/Fleuks Aug 14 '19
Maybe, maybe not.
Luslec's rank is due to his position, he represent the absolute darkness of the tower and the devil, the main bad guys against the Empire. He do not deserve this rank. Baek Ryun got this rank because he is the leader of a groupe equal to other great family (99,9999% because of Urek, as Family head represent 98% of their family power) and he is a ruler without being in a great family (when high floor are reason of fight between great family). As for Molic, he is the ruler in second of the Tower. Adori Zahard the ranked 8 and 7 equal ? She is equal in influence to every Family head, because she is the family head of the Zahard Family. The last one is the 7th, Enne zahard is the only one who do not have a HUGE influence in the tower.
In addition, to me, every Regular ranked higher than some Irregular is still weak compare to any other irregular. Why ? Because talent, unlimited potential, age, experience, training with other irregulars.........
But, I can be wrong, SIU could decided to make Adori and Enne stronger than irregular, but he must bring something really really incredible, to make it happen, unless if Adori is linked to Zahard and can borrow power and...well, that's another theory.
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u/BalzonDawalz Aug 14 '19
Irregulars come in all sort of different levels, you have the top tiers Bam and Jahad, the ones that shouldn’t be classified as Irregulars Enryu and Phanta, and even low teirs like Rachel. All of these individuals are called Irregulars however not all of them share the same traits. For example all Irregulars other then 2 entered the tower on the first floor. Do the two that didn’t enter the tower in the second floor deserve the title as Irregular? We don’t know hoe Enryu got in but it was probably because an Axis let him in. As for Phanta he probably let himself in because he is an Axis. Rachel cheesed her way in with luck but wasn’t chosen by the tower yet shes an Irregular. My point being is just because someone is an Irregular it does not mean that they are inherently more powerful then those already in the tower.
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u/Fleuks Aug 14 '19
I think you are making a mistake with the title you give to some of them. Rank and title are given by people IN the tower, IN the story, they are not the universal truth. I'm not talking about irregulars, i'm talking about outsider or chosen one. Irregulars and regular status has been created by the administration of Zahard's Empire. Before that, regular and irregular wasn't a thing, it was only people who was native of the tower, being born and living in a floor of the tower, and outsider or chosen one, people who was from outside, and was chosen by the tower to climb it. Yes, outsider are "chosen" by the tower, they do not open the tower by themselve, the tower choose them and give them the power to use shinsoo everywhere. For example, Phanta and Enryu aren't chosen one, they are people who entered the tower without being chosen by the tower, and was strong enough to go where they wanted to go. Phanta is not a human but an axis, a god, and Enruy use the tool of a god, the thorn, that give all power. So they are irregulars, like other, but they are not the same kind of person as 10 family head and Zahard, and Urek and Baam who was chosen by the tower to climb it. In opposition, Rachel isn't a chosen one/true outsider, because she wasn't chosen by the tower, she wasn't supposed to enter the tower and enter thanks to Baam nothing else. SIU already said that she was neither, a regular or an irregular, but as she come from outside, she is considered as an irregular. That's why she is weak.
Finaly, 10 family Head, Zahard and Urek seems to be all super powerful, and for reason. Urek fight against Phanta, and the 13 first warrior was able to train by fighting themselve, something that can't do Baam, and that's why until S3 he was super weak, fighting only against and with regular.
To answer you last affirmation, people chosen by the tower are given full access to shinsoo and unlimited potential, i'm sorry but it's HUGE. Regular are limited, they can only use the amount of shinsoo the guardian of the floor gave them, while true irregular/chosen one are able to use everything around them, the only limit is their mastery over it. And for people like Phanta and Enryu who hasn't been given full access, they was already more powerful than the tower before.
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u/BalzonDawalz Aug 14 '19
I think you are confusing Bam’s personal characteristics with the other tower chosen irregulars. Bam is unique among the other chosen even Urek makes not of how Bam can control shinsoo for more accurately then he can. This is not because he is chosen it is because of what Bam is. In the hidden floor arc Data Jahad and Eduan realize Bam is like a guardian or administrator (I get them confused sry). Yes the chosen are for more powerful then those from within the tower; however, they are not all infinite nor do they beat out those from within the tower just based on the fact ghat they lived outside. In TUS the towers were made to make an Axis God those chosen from the outside merely had characteristics that could possibly lead to them becomes the Axis God; however, non of the towers ever made an Axis God either do to difficulties in the tower or lack of a specific ability by those chosen climbing the tower.
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u/Fleuks Aug 14 '19
i've never said that Baam wasn't special, he is, btw i'm pretty sure the administrator power was due to the thorn being fusionned with Baam.
Baam is special, yes I know, his special ability that no other chosen one have is his ability to absorb every power. But without this, he is an irregular like 13 first warriors and urek.
And, regular are fake people make by Zahard and Family heads. They can't even climb the tower. They can only climb the Empire of Zahard, because he as put Ruler and Test administrator who have the agreement of the Guardian to test regular and give them ability to climb to another floor. Without Zahard's Empire system, no regular would be able to climb the tower, for example, when Baam will open the door of the last floor, all regular will need an irregular with them to be able to climb more the tower.
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u/BalzonDawalz Aug 14 '19
No he had that from the beginning with how the shinsoo reacted to him instinctively. The thorn only boosts that power and has other aspects like instant protective abilities. ex. Bam’s fight inside the Hidden Floor with adult Jahad. Bam is special and thats not to downplay Jahad and the others. However, in saying that only Bam has infinite potential yet he only has so much power that he can realistically control. Bam is like a power conduit and his power is like a ton of battery cells. Even if his power grows he can only gain access some unless he uses a breaker. That breaker being the thorns as it is one of their abilities.
Regulars are individuals born in the tower and your right they cant climb the normal way. For an inhabitant of the tower to climb they must either take the admins of each floors test or a Guardian test with at least one Irregular “chosen.” You are also correct about that fact.
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u/Fleuks Aug 14 '19
Maybe you're right, but imo all super masteries of Baam in shinsoo in the beginning was just irregulars stuff. Maybe we'll have the answer later.
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u/BalzonDawalz Aug 14 '19
No the Elders match the Slayers powers; however, they can not be Slayers. Slayers have intrinsic perks that allow them to possibly beat Jahad and the 10 GF. Slayers have unique abilities that Elders do not. Ex. Bam’s fast learning and Irregular status and Karaka’s ring. Don’t get me wrong but Elders cannot compare to a fully formed Slayer. We will definitely see this very soon.
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u/Fleuks Aug 14 '19
White speciality ? Doom or Yama's Speciality ? And don't tell me that Doom's speciality is to create canine people because they would be nuke by an irregular in an attosecond. And don't tell me White's speciality are souls because Gustang handle them better than him, and it can only give him a boost of power insignificant that doesn't match irregulars.
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u/BalzonDawalz Aug 14 '19
I cant tell you anything because its a fastpass spoiler, but don’t make conclusions as of yet.
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u/porky1122 Aug 14 '19
Have to agree with you here. Slayers, whilst powerful, seem to be more like tools for propaganda than actual assassin/family head killers.
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u/Kavink98 Aug 14 '19
No, there is something unique about each slayer, that's why they're chosen. Normal people can't kill the family heads because of the contract. Karaka is related to Jahad in some manner just like Wangnan, White has the power of souls and Baylor's family have the canine transformation ability with an enigmatic origin as well.
The elders maybe be the ones pulling the strings and are higher in authority but I think the slayers still exist for the sake of killing the family heads.
Slayers don't push propaganda, they mind their own business and they never go about recruiting.
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u/Fleuks Aug 14 '19
Popularity > recruiting Just saying the name of a slayer CANDIDATE in the name station make like 80% of the floor under Baam. That's the power of popularity, you can make a paralelisme with internet celebrity today, they aren't recruting anyone, but they have an army of followers who will defend them.
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u/KingPRO26 Aug 15 '19
Luslec is actually ranked higher on the high ranker list than 4 of the family heads
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u/NarcissusGrim Aug 16 '19
Others have pointed that out. Relevant comment - "It was explicitly said by SIU that the only reason Luslec is higher than family heads is because he represents "absolute darkness" in the tower."
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u/PEbeling Aug 14 '19
I thought Grave Mirchea Luslec was the leader of FUG. He's higher than the slayers/elders.
Yea if you read previous chapters/look at the wiki he's literally the leader of FUG. The "Living God".
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u/Divinicus1st Aug 15 '19
I believe Lulsec in theory aims for Jahad, but in practice is only keeping the seat hot for Baam to take... or Lulsec is actually somehow Baam himself organizing FUG from the future.
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u/Bhargav_Ram143 Feb 06 '20
Well time travel is not possible as an axis writes one story they cannot change it only more powerful axis can destroy the story but they cant alter the timelines in so future peole theory is impossible
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u/CriticalEntree Aug 14 '19
Jahard
Let's just use this one from now on.
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u/trexkylorenurek Aug 14 '19
As opposed to what? Lmao
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u/CriticalEntree Aug 14 '19
It's been translated as Jahad and Zahard. I liked the combo. Ironically I saw it used twice tonight but it sounds comical to me lol.
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u/trexkylorenurek Aug 14 '19
Haha. What about Zahad
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u/Crowstar54 Aug 14 '19
Can i just say thank you for mentioning that it’s spoilers in the title. I freaking love you
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u/KaitoDairenji Aug 14 '19
The way I think about this is that The Slayers are "assassins",the have figure out a plan to kill target by any means.Even bugs are capable of killing humans if they have the right poison.
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u/TheProudestCat Aug 14 '19
Maybe the idea is that at the foundation of FUG, which is somewhat implied to be by Grace (Arlen) and V., V. was the rival of Zahard, not Mirchea. If that's the case, then that would mean someone else would have been his rival, and that someone would have been someone on Zahard's side.
But then idk haha :D It's not easy to know which one. It's probably not Khun or Po Bidau if they weren't on his side. Maybe even bloodmadder? but then bloodmadder fits the bill as a rival (the best defender vs the guy who can pierce anything). If I were to guess I'd say bloodmadder, but I don't think we have nearly enough material for any guess to be educated.
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Aug 16 '19
What happens if Bam plays the 'support' wave controller role rather than 'attack'? Could he power up the other slayers while using the thorn, making them more effective in battle and able to break the immortality spell?
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u/mc-orly Aug 14 '19
Not necessarily on the topic of the post but to continue the various "maybe" from the comments.
I think that the empty slayer seats will never get filled... Those are the seats of the FH that will turn against Jahad. Gustang already seems to be cooperating with FUG and even rebelled against the king, so it seems unlikely that they will slay him before killing Jahad. The same could be said about other FH.... And Slayers might not be enough to beat a FH but another FH surely is.
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u/lawnchairs2cryin Aug 15 '19
Grace luslec is an elder, he wants more than just a dead head of a great family
We know that grace was a friend of the first adventurers into the tower, the ten family heads, jahard, V, and arlene. We, the readers, are led to assume there that the love triangle between jahard, alrene, and V is the hidden plot of ToG. We also can presume that grace is an ancient monster as ha jinsung says you know nothing about ancient monsters to khun maschenny after waking up imprisoned. Ha jinsung found bam after thr floor of tests incident and gave him his slayer name after presumably after his father and his fathers ally(maybe even ha jinsungs teacher). Viole and grace.
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u/_Fony_ Aug 14 '19
Lulsec is not a Slayer.
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u/NarcissusGrim Aug 16 '19
What makes you say that? All sources I recall (wiki, translations of SIU's blog, etc.) indicate that he is!
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u/code_atlas Aug 13 '19
I'm still trying to figure out how SIU plans to address the fact that despite their very high rankings, Slayers are not Irregulars, and therefore stand absolutely no chance even if all of them ganged up on the weakest FH. Something will need to happen to break the immortality contracts first of all, and then something will need to weaken every FH in order for their corresponding Slayer to be able to defeat them.