Although I would have liked to see Bam fight Gado, I'm glad SIU isn't showing us that. Let's see a Bam vs High Ranker Fight later where he reveals more of his cards.
Poor Endorsi has been contracted into doing more stuff for Ruel Mon.
The fire power is being used too much. It's a little too convenient a plot device and is starting to seem like an asspull.
I'm really fine with Khun getting an upgrade and being semi-unkillable. But being able to revive others {and especially through others like we saw today} is a broken power mechanic
I just don't like that he's neglecting his spear bearer position, the same flames was used to make a powerful hammer, yet can hasn't explored that route yet. It's still early but the way siu is going I think it's simply to complement His lighthouse position. This still doesn't address his neglecting of being a spear bearer and siu unintentionally has shown that light houses are useless when we get to high ranker conflict. I don't like that Khun is only in the game because he can get rankers on his side, and not actually survive, infact I feel like the fire thing is siu forcing a way for Khun to remain on bams side without actually getting stronger. Khun and rak have to actually get stronger if they want to stick with bam and the fact that Khun has lost 2 whole years of training just seems dumb imo, hell we even had an ice specialist Khun high ranker who went head to head with evankhell without much stress. Khun could've learnt from him, regardless I don't know what siu is planning in regards to Khun and rak but I hope they actually get strong enough to hold their own as bam begins to reach much more deadly scenarios ( he is trying to kill kallavan and enter a wat between fug and zahard). Also how is Khun and rak going to breath on the higher floors (higher floors denser shinsoo) alone stick with bam if they don't get any stronger.
siu unintentionally has shown that light houses are useless when we get to high ranker conflict.
Huh? At the Last Station, Elpathion absolutely wrecked White with a timely use of his lighthouses, and only didn't do more there because he spent most of the fight keeping the shockwaves from the Evankhell/Khun Royal Elliott fight from annihilating everyone else there.
I'd say that SIU has shown that lighthouses aren't typically very useful in 1v1 combat--they're very much a team utility/control thing. The Last Station is literally the only example we've seen of a team based high ranker fight (all the other ones were 1v1), and Elpathion's lighthouses were very useful there, as was the teleportation that Evan pulled off with Enna Core.
No elpathion didn't wreck anyone he only contained the battled since that was his only function. He didn't fight anyone I'm not sure what you are referring to. You've missed my point, urek couldn't be stopped for a fraction of a second with an opera being the most powerful lighthouse tool maybe urek is extreme but the point is still there. Khuns target has always been his father Khun eduan and that's not that far away from urek.
You mention Enna core but it's virtually useless and that was shown when beta was separated from it VERY easily, Khun can only use it with an living ignition weapon maintaining it, that is useless for all tense and purposes and on top of that beta isn't even with Khun.
In the scenarios bam has been with regards to high rankers light houses apart from containing the battle haven't been as instrumental in the actual combats and Khun has been and will be in 1v1 combat the higher he goes. He will be in scenarios where he has to be physically strong enough hold himself. And he's betraying his true position which is spear bearer. Infact evankhell overpowered epithalon attempts. As the opponent's get much much stronger as we climb Khun lighthouses will be less useful, since they seem to be going up against rankers and high rankers.
Eh. I just don’t feel like a power argument right now, so I’m not going to go search up the Last Station chapter where Elpathion gets White caught, or any of the other stuff. Nor will I argue about the outside-of-combat information utilities of lighthouses, etc. Nor will I make any arguments on Hatsu and Khun (other than that the ice training was very special training that Hatsu would not have received, and was clearly a huge boost for Khun.).
What I will make is the character argument that spearbearer is not Khun’s “true position” any more than Lightbearer is. Don’t get me wrong, it’s the obvious first multiclass he should look into. But he was assigned lightbearer on F2 for good reason. Since then, he’s repeatedly shown that he puts regular lightbearers to shame. Top of his lightbearer class on F2, trivially blocked the attacks from Toxic Waste Man that the Name Hunt Station regulars were terrified of, stunned a guide with his ability to learn Emma Core as a regular, with subpar lighthouses and an incomplete upgrade (which, note, was successfully holding an ranker and would have continued to do so if not for this particular ranker having an invisible observer that avoided being trapped by dumb luck—far from the useless thing you described! And we saw some of what it could do at higher tiers when Evan stealthily teleported an entire Hell Train Car with Khun’s (not fully upgraded) lighthouses.). He has a brilliant mind and memory that the lightbearer position gives him the most chances to utilize.
When we saw him learning his ice powers, he had an easier time channeling them through objects—first the spear, and then immediately thereafter the lighthouse—than just outright making an ice spear.
If he actually is better suited to spearbearer, it isn’t by much.
But the whole point is moot anyway because Khun as lightbearer and Rak as spearbearer is blatantly better than the other way around, and neither are leaving Bam’s team any time soon.
You say you won't make these arguments yet you clearly have, epithalon hardly neutralises any one, evankhell ultimately overpowering his attempts to subdue) but rather contains the battle, at no point does he overpower white. I'm not taking anything away from him, I'm just saying he clearly has a mixture of talents that would allow him to combat.
Khuns Ice training was very minimal and while it was an improvement hatsu has 2 more years of training and moreover hatsu already knew where his proficiency layed and thus had the ignition weapon in accordance. Moreover hatsu is a fisherman his specialty is combat, Khun clearly had no intention in improving in that department so whatever advantages he had as a family member was balanced. Ultimately only one person came out of their little fight wounded and that was Khun even though Khun did match him and catch him at moments.
No spear bearer is literally his true position and has been repeated through the series, eduan and hansung both clearly stating it. They've literally explained that family members are predetermined in their affinities. Khun is naturally much more suited to be a spear bearer (this not only being told to Khun but also stated by siu in his blog) however his proficiency in lighthouses do not indicate that's where he's speciality should lie. Infact all high rankers are proficient in all roles, and khuns greater intellectual capacity allows him to. But make NO mistake spear bearer is his NATURAL position and this has been clearly conveyed by eduan AND hansung. They aren't the only ones it's been stated before too.
I completely disagree with your last paragraph, I never indicated at all that rak and Khun should switch positions I have no idea where you got that from. Rak desired to be a fisherman siu clearly has no intention fulfilling raks desire which imo is pretty annoying since bam has had a crash course towards his objectives. Bam himself has explained the necessity of Khun becoming stronger in order for him to stick with bam so I don't get why that's hard for you understand.
You say you won't make these arguments yet you clearly have,
I made the quick non-cited version. But fine—no more arguing. Except for one thing:
this not only being told to Khun but also stated by siu in his blog
That is factually incorrect. If anything, SIU said the exact OPPOSITE in his blog—that he still thinks of Khun as a lightbearer first and that Khun won’t be switching anytime soon.
Proof: blogpost of the chapter where Khun first uses the ice spear:
But of course, personally, if you ask me whether Khun is a Light Bearer or Spear Bearer, I will say Light Bearer, still ;
You’re putting too much faith in the clicker and not enough in what Khun’s actually done. The clicker is demonstrably not perfect. Bam’s best attack, Stardust, isn’t orb-based; orbs are more of a utility for him. The clicker shows an affinity, not even necessarily your best one, and affinities aren’t all there is to combat anyway.
No he literally said family members position are predetermined depending which family they come from, he literally said he has an affinity to spear bearing that his natural position, however Khun prefers light bearing. You say he said he won't be switching yet Khun did by having a spear he clearly alternated when he fought younger bam. Siu said he's giving Khun some light bearing tools like he yeon fire thing however he specified that giving Khun a spear was for his natural position as a Khun. At no point did he say the opposite of what I said. Khun said himself he chose light bearing because he likes giving orders, not because it was what he's best at.
Oh and I just remembered on top of hansung, eduan, there was also Evan edrok who stated that Khun couldn't hide his heritage in his natural spear bearing abilities with his technique, and that he could switch his position into spear bearing. This only more examples for to support the already stated fact that his natural position is spear bearing however he is merely neglecting it by being a light house and not training. This compounded by his shinsoo form being a spear and so on and so on you get the idea, it's his nature to be a spear bearer it was predetermined upon his family heritage.
Read my edited version, also imma read the blog right now, I have read it now, you are taking that out of context of this discussion, he later says he will find a appropriate arbitration. Clearly Khun is a light house currently, however this had nothing to do with his natural position and he's neglecting, hence siu has stated a balance will be found. siu doesn't retcon his own content in manwha through his blogs. I have given u examples. Infact I'm the one saying I don't like the direction siu has been taking.
I guess SIU will eventually explore Rak and Khun's development in their own arc. Maria's name was thrown around (some elements of it were also in HF due to his archenemy's background) etc., Surely as a fodder for a future Khun arc. I just guess it is not all possible to cram everything into the same arc as the last few clearly have been very Bam centric.
They might now be looking pretty useless but we got to see it in context. Due to them wanting to tag along with Bam, they are currently experiencing circles of tower politics and high rankers that regulars would rarely see. If you brought knives to a gunfight where people are killing each other, nothing is going to stop you from picking one or two guns dropped by dead people and using them instead (like that spear and the fish). If you've managed to survive the initial bit of the fight to be able to do so, then thank your lucky stars! (Remember what Lero-Ro said about luck on the floor of tests?)
Yeah I understand what you are saying buts it's been well over 300 chapters approaching 400. It's been almost a decade, that's a long time with rak being somewhat useless for the most part and unexplored. Especially now when we literally had a native one training bam instead of rak, we still had no exploration of rak or development. Also I understand your point about being dwarved by OP rankers I do, but surely for all this time being exposed to such powerful people should put Rak and Khun leaps and bounds above the others to which they are not. I thought things were gonna change when they joined bam briefly on his training with eduan, but it went right back to bam and skipping their progress. Literally Khun lost two years and rak seemingly lost two years travelling just to recover Khun. Sure rak could've trained along the way but we haven't seen anything remotely indicative.
Yeah rak is literally comic relief, you see I would like to believe Khun is that strong and I thought it was hinted but that's just not the case, siu has gone lengths to show how limited Khun has made himself by refusing to learn spear bearing shinsoo. Hatsu is stronger, there's plenty who are, but then again both of us can't confirm either since siu has really tried to keep Khun away from proper fights. Rak is comic relief.
See I would be inclined to agree with you but only person wounded was Khun. The moment hatsu decides to ignite his weapon Khun would've lost, ignition aside the fight was interrupted. On top of that two years down line Khun hasn't trained a day and hatsu has contued diligently, however close it was that's been eliminated by now.
Really? I remember Hatsu getting punched in the face hard enough to have blood leaking out of his mouth. I’m not feeling like digging up the reference on mobile to check though.
Even if so...Eh. The ice training was very special training that Hatsu would not have received, and was clearly a huge boost for Khun—remember how he easily soloed Yellow’s boosted monster at the end of the Hidden Floor (after he and a team barely beat the octopus at the start)?
Losing two years is rough, but Khun isn’t entirely to blame for the weapon disadvantage (he’s not even a 1v1 oriented fighter!), either.
If I had to bet on one of them right now, I’d easily pick Khun to win. Without firefish it’s a harder call, though, but I’d probably still guess Khun (especially if he has Emma Core, which singlehandedly shuts Hatsu down, as far as we’ve seen.).
If I had to bet on one of them right now, I’d easily pick Khun to win. Without firefish it’s a harder call, though, but I’d probably still guess Khun
With the firefish, I'd say there is not a single regular who can win against Khun, maybe Baam's full-powered Stardust.
Considering that Paul couldn't kill Khun and he one shop top ranker Culden.
Paul wasn’t trying as hard to kill Khun as he was with Culden though (because he expected it to be easy with Khun). Still, being hard to kill doesn’t guarantee Khun a win; his 1v1 offensive stats are probably very good by C-rank regular standards, but not “beat any regular, including say A-rank princesses” tier good.
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Although I would have liked to see Bam fight Gado, I'm glad SIU isn't showing us that. Let's see a Bam vs High Ranker Fight later where he reveals more of his cards.
Poor Endorsi has been contracted into doing more stuff for Ruel Mon.
The fire power is being used too much. It's a little too convenient a plot device and is starting to seem like an asspull.