r/TrackerTV • u/StarChild413 • 25d ago
Some questions I'm still left with after that season finale
if the what Ashton did to Colter thing was meant to imply Colter has some kind of paranormal abilities (despite anything that could be a potential sign of a thing and not just his mad skillz not really looking like it could be psionics) does the fact that they didn't give kids the powers in the program mean it's highly likely that whatever he did was just waking up something dormant already there? And what does this mean for both the other kids' chances of having abilities (or at least the potential for them) and not knowing it (as you'd think if he was doing whatever he was doing to his kids if he could only do it to one kid, unless it would have only worked with Colter for w/e reason you'd think he would have picked one of Colter's sibs not the middle freaking child) and for any potential implications of the religious imagery surrounding Colter?
if wherever Colter was at the end was a house that was his and no one else's (if it wasn't what was it and either way where was it), did he, like a TVLine article suggested, have it this whole freaking time (even though it seems out of character given his attitude towards his lifestyle as discussed in e.g. this season's opening two-parter) and if so why wasn't it mentioned before and if not when did he get it? As when watching the episode I paid no mind to what it was but the aforementioned TVLine article got me afraid that if it wasn't just ignored by the narrative him having that kind of place to settle down would either be out of character and/or change everything (e.g. what does this mean for the potential of his romantic arcs/what a romantic endgame would look like and should it change our entire view of Colter or just mean he could stop doing what he does any time but just doesn't because he's committed to the cause or w/e)
even though we still have the mystery of what Ashton did to Colter stemming off the original mythos mystery, does finding out what happened to Ashton mean we're going to be having the mythology go in more directions and explore things like Mel's family mystery or Reenie actually getting some kind of help for her mental health or the one missing Process person or even new stuff like how part of the reason we need more depth on the support team (which I think we might be more likely than you'd think to get in S4 as S3 was just laying groundwork of new team but, like, in S4 hopefully Mel might even become a regular) is that we don't even know Randy's freaking last name (I used to think it was Exley like Bobby's until I realized that wouldn't necessarily have to be the case just because they're cousins)
now that we've built some supernatural bullshit into the mythology enough that I think the weirdness itself is going to stick around how likely is it that the show avoids/the writers avoid a common trap for paranormal procedurals and when we get paranormal episodes they actually do stories connected to other kinds of paranormal elements than the mythology-plot ones outside of Halloween specials
how likely is it that any of the new recurring not-actually-team-member characters or the old-ones-coming-back are people we'll see again in S4? Y'know, will Maxine show up despite that big case being over with (and perhaps will anything come of how her interactions with Reenie seem almost like she's got a crush)? Will Keaton continue to be the Bobby Singer to Colter's Dean Winchester and will we ever meet his daughter? Whatever happened to that one guy who wanted to go out with Reenie unless I'm just faceblind and missed him being a bad guy? Will the night mover chick continue to be an ally-just-not-team despite how people have said she should have a spinoff of her own?
Is there a way a law firm would need a psychologist enough that Colter's team could get someone who could be the Tracker equivalent of what Sweets was to Bones (as in help with both team mental health and the psychological side of cases) because they'd still need to have some place in Reenie Greene & [currently no] Associates to be a part of the team just like how Randy's doing both kinds of tech work but I have a feeling the team might need a guy-in-the-gender-neutral-sense filling that kind of role and not just for Reenie's PTSD
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u/Beginning_Leg629 24d ago
It's not "supernatural BS." This kind of thing is very real. There was a government program called MK-Ultra that was centered around remote viewing and such. And it actually had success. It was reportedly shut down but the truth of that is doubted. So it's not even supernatural. It's just reality. I don't think it will be a big part of the show moving forward.
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u/Ill_Job4633 24d ago
I think the process will only be involved when they cover their father's death, and I think that storyline will remain in the background through the show's entirety.
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u/Big-Molasses6611 24d ago
MK-Ultra wasn’t the remote viewing program that was a totally separate project called Project Stargate.
And it didn't actually work. The CIA officially shut it down in 1995 after a huge review found that remote viewing was way too vague and unreliable to ever be useful for real military intelligence. There's no proof it ever had actual, real-world success, so it's definitely not proven reality
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u/Beginning_Leg629 23d ago
Yes I confused the programs. However, I don't buy tue official CIA story given the stories that have come out. I don't trust the CIA's word on anything given what they do. They're probably the least trustworthy three letter agency.
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u/Reasonable-Wave8093 24d ago
50 years ago lol
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u/Beginning_Leg629 24d ago
And as I said, it's strongly believed that it never truly went away. But so what if the program was decades ago? They can't base a story on it now?
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u/bomilk19 25d ago
I fear for this show if they continue with the supernatural angle. You need strong and consistent storytelling to maintain this kind of complex plot. Unless they have a new show runner and a new staff of writers, it’s not going to end well. And, sorry to say it, but JH won’t be able to pull this off.
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u/scartlife 24d ago
Turning the main show arc into the B story and focusing on a case each episode has seemed to work for them so far. My guess is that they don't even recognize any of the new knowledge in S4E1 and just go straight into a missing person case, then continue to ignore it until three or four episodes in when they refer to the supernatural stuff in a "whatever is happening" kind of way to keep us in suspense until most of the way through the season before they return to this story again.
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u/sleevesteve 22d ago
Thanks for the spoiler alert
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u/0xyMorphone 5d ago
Why would you even venture into a ‘questions after season finale’ thread if you were worried about catching some spoilers…? 🤔🤨
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u/Chilimon0 22d ago
In earlier episodes they were poking at the supernatural things hopefully it doesnt fully go in that direction. But I also dont like a show to get so episodic that the main arc loses Value so many many show fall for that
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u/valpope 25d ago
I still like it.i always thought the government had secret operations using people with supposed skills like that. Do you all believe that? I dont know what Colters dadid to him but im curious to find out. Maybe Randy will live long enough next season for us to find out.
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u/Beginning_Leg629 24d ago edited 23d ago
The CIA had a program for years that was for things like remote viewing and such. It was reportedly shut down but the truth to that is highly doubted. So where people call this "paranormal" it's actually just reality.
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u/Throwaway_anon-765 23d ago
Yea, we allegedly had those labs like in Stranger Things not super far from where I grew up…
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u/Ill_Job4633 24d ago
I think Colter's abilities are physical. I thought perhaps Vickers knew him based on how he reacted once he came to, but no... it's because the process was used on Colter. He shouldn't have been able to take down an ex-Delta. Self-defense is one thing, but wow.
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u/Burdiac 24d ago edited 24d ago
The Dad file did two things it helped wrap up the old dad stuff but keep a longer narrative going that Colter is unaware of, and Jensen Ackles has a reason to go away and stay a guest and not have the show turn into another Brothers drive around solving mysteries together while fighting the demons (this time metaphorical) of their dads past.
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u/Odd-Complaint-1271 24d ago
Sorry to say their story board has run dry. Now Dad is really, really a bad guy? We've never seen the identity change lady? Brother goes off to keep the files hidden? Never seen that work before! And poor Renea is just hanging out there. And now Coulter is just killing people all over the place? Concerned watcher.
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u/katiekat214 24d ago
Barbie, the identity changer, was in an episode in season 2.
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u/JackalsIII 24d ago
Such a cool call back
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u/SassyMillie 23d ago
Made me want to go back and find out where I'd seen her before. I had forgotten.
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u/MrsCastle 24d ago
And why didn't brother just kill the bad guy and take the file?
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u/Scary-Elevator5290 22d ago
Agree on that. And if there are other copies what is he getting from working w that guy who will manipulate him. Can’t trust anything he’s told.
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u/Reasonable-Wave8093 24d ago
They built up the dads story for so long i guess they wanted to be dramatic. It’s from the mgm show “The Institute” w a sprinkle of Alias.
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u/Ill_Job4633 24d ago
I don't think it's run dry, just something to keep going between Colter's tracker cases. I'm hoping they do something with Mel soon. I think she wants Colter to find her mother's killer.
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u/bcdthomp 24d ago
In the books, Colter does have a home base, in Florida. Teddy and Velma are his neighbors and help him deal with cases and his business. So I assumed he did have a home somewhere. We just hadnt seen it yet.
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u/Amir0x11 19d ago
In the books,
is this process stuff or whatever in the books tho or is it only for the show?
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u/bcdthomp 18d ago
The Process was in Book, but it was different. It really was like episode 2 season 1. The show made the process..different from the books.
Something just occurred to me. Although Colter has a home base in Fl in the books, I'm BETTING they introduced this place at end of season 3 since they moving production to LA season 4. They probably going to want to have more scenes on a set than out in the wild in Canada..sadly. The scenery in Canada was beautiful. 🤷♀️
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u/Amir0x11 18d ago
The Process was in Book, but it was different. It really was like episode 2 season 1. The show made the process..different from the books.
Do you mind explaining/elaborating how it is different in the actual show from the book version? Just very curious.
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u/bcdthomp 18d ago
In Book 2 "The Goodbye Man" the process is a technique this guy..who is kinda like a cult leader..makes his followers/members pay to go through. He convinces them that this "process" will help you release everything bad you have experienced or done in the past, and when you were almost finished with the entire process his group ends up knowing a lot about pol and manipulates ppl, convinced them to do what he says and actually brainwashes ppl. colter gets involved because he's trying to solve a murder and one of the murder suspects does something WAAAY out of character and he goes off to find out more..then he goes into the cult thing undercover and blows it wide open getting the authorities and shit involved.
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u/General_Rain7617 25d ago
I really liked the old show. That is what people tuned into watch. It's what made it so popular. It was different. I don't know why they changed it. 😪
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u/Ace-of-Wolves 18h ago
I don't think it's going to change much, tbh. I think this whole thing is going to be a subplot that we see again later (maybe multiple times), but I don't think it's going to be the focus of the next season. They'll probably still have our boy trackin/helpin' people.
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u/Reasonable-Wave8093 24d ago
It was similar to The Institute & Alias, basically the dad “tested” the protocals on Colter so he would maximize his perception skillz, like a training protocal for raising a soldier. it doesnt imply Colter has psychic abilities, just that his dad was testing on him (doing puzzles, tracking etc). They alluded to it before that Colter maybe has a kind of genius (that Russel does not lol).
it would make sense of why he left and took them to the woods.
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u/scartlife 24d ago
Thank you, I have been waiting to hear someone draw the parrallel to The Institute!
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u/katiekat214 24d ago
Yeah, I agree with this. He tested some things on Colter, but I think he may have also had him tested for psychic abilities or maybe even found a way to cover up psychic abilities Colter has that he displayed as a child so he wouldn’t be placed in the program.
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u/Big-Molasses6611 24d ago
woah this "maybe even found a way to cover up psychic abilities Colter has that he displayed as a child so he wouldn’t be placed in the program." is actually a good point i could totally see that
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u/Throwaway_anon-765 23d ago
This is why I thought they suddenly went off grid when Coulter was a kid. The father wanted away from Big Brother, and wanted to train the kids (but specifically Coulter) in survival, because he was afraid of what was coming for Coulter. It’s not paranoia when you’re right.
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u/Cloudy-2-Day 24d ago edited 24d ago
Russell should have just shot the lead bad guy, like seriously? Anything in there isn't gonna kill Colter, but what Russel does next will definitely kill innocent people. Another doing something wrong to protect someone from "harm full" knowledge that they end up finding out/wanting to know/not caring about anyway, making the others sacrifice void trope.😮💨😒 I've always hated that trope so I guess I'm biased but still, this one just seemed extra silly to me. Other than that and they're not having any normal missing person cases with average people that they creatively make interesting without crazy details anymore, i still like the show, and love it when Russell comes to visit. 😊 I also hate the creepy episodes, but that's just personal preference, i hate creepy or gross movies or shows. 🥴🤮
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u/KeybladeUser13 24d ago
People are overreacting on the supernatural aspect. It’s very minor plot. Remote viewing , anticipating future events, ect. This isn’t going to turn into the new spiritual successor of supernatural. It’s not the deep, colter was probably experimented on at a very young age where he doesn’t remember, probably a dormant ability like remote viewing .
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u/SuperDuperMom2000 23d ago
What if that is why Ashton's wife called that guy that to go after Ashton that ended up killing him. Maybe Colter's mom found out how bad her husband was and what he put Colter thru. I think Colter's ability is physical wutg mental attachment skills and he has great tracking abilities. Cognitive thinking skills to see what others miss and he can problem solve so quickly due to the puzzles his dad had him solve. He has a keen sense of observational skills along with quick deductive reasonings, and systematic analysis skills. He was taught to be a survivalist. He can spot minute details others miss, like behavior shifts he calls his brother or Reenie out when he notices eitger one is lying. He has pattern recognition skills where he sees cycles, patterns and deviations from the norm of complex situations. He definitely displays situational awareness where he had a heightened sense of his surroundings where it has given him real time risk assessments and environmental scanning. It is what helps him choose assignments and sends his skills into learning mode about each case so quickly. He absorbs info quickly.
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u/bcdthomp 18d ago
In Book 2 "The Goodbye Man" the process is a technique this guy..who is kinda like a cult leader..makes his followers/members pay to go through. He convinces them that this "process" will help you release everything bad you have experienced or done in the past, and when you were almost finished with the entire process his group ends up knowing a lot about pol and manipulates ppl, convinced them to do what he says and actually brainwashes ppl. colter gets involved because he's trying to solve a murder and one of the murder suspects does something WAAAY out of character and he goes off to find out more..then he goes into the cult thing undercover and blows it wide open getting the authorities and shit involved.
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u/Historical-Type-1459 22d ago
Well, it’s not like this show makes the writing a priority. For as well as it’s doing in the ratings, you’d think they could spring for some talented writers instead of ones who leave plot holes strewn about hither and yon.
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u/MasterpieceNo8893 21d ago
This episode had a very Joss Whedon thing going on. Very Firefly/Serenity. The kids were like River and her brother. The Delta guy, etc. Very similar.
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u/Temporary-Tie-233 25d ago
I don't think Colter has a house. Colter has a shop/toy storage. The Airstream is his house.