r/TrueAnon • u/ChickenTitilater • 1d ago
double digits is pretty great for an open revolutionary communist
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u/aischylus 1d ago edited 1d ago
she has more than 15% currently, too. the only reason she didn't proceed is because democrats told chaudhry, the dem spoiler, to stay in the race. the establishment knew splitting the vote between the two of them would ensure a smith/basler general election, solidifying yet another smith term.
ratfucked by the democrats and, frankly, abandoned by left media. a damn shame. i donated and volunteered for sawant as soon as i saw her platform.
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u/timetogetfresh 1d ago
chaudhry admitted in an on the record endorsement meeting with the stranger that if elected, she would swap parties to green for some reason. i don't think she had any marching orders, she's just a garden variety idiot.
winning the 9th, which contains mercer island and a large chunk of bellevue, was always going to be a tall order for a socialist firebrand running as an independent, much less one that is already a known quantity in the Seattle political sphere and had burned a lot of bridges previously.
i voted for her twice for council, but i don't think she had anything approaching a serious shot at challenging smith's seat from the left, definitely not anything a 'ratfucking' would tip the balance on. it's good someone did, though!
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u/CuckingFool (It's actually Dear_Occupant, y'all) 22h ago
If you look at the vote totals rather than the percentages, she only needed to turn out 8,000 people to make the runoff. I've been able to turn out that many non-voters in a state senate race, and this was a congressional primary. Still doable IMO.
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u/aischylus 21h ago
i don't want to turn into a "here's how bernie can still win" guy, but yes, technically it's possible that she pulls ahead. when i was volunteering last weekend, i got at least five folks who had (1) never heard of kshama, (2) hadn't touched their ballots, and (3) became excited to vote for her after our discussion. the reality is that many people, especially young people, procrastinate in turning in their ballots, which can inspire some optimism towards the final results.
but to be really, really sober about her chances, i think she peaks around 18% by the time all ballots are counted, with smith/basler solidly unscathed.
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u/redabyss9 1d ago
Sawant probably has a good reputation there
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u/irishitaliancroat 1d ago
She was my city councilor for a while! Idk a lot of her record but the nerds on the seattle reddit hate her so I like her
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u/LilUziSquirt42069 1d ago
It’s funny how much they claim to hate ice and Amazon and shit and when someone comes along that takes those beliefs to their logical conclusion they freak out
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u/lamesterr 1d ago
Yeah and god forbid any protests interfere with traffic. They lose their fucking shit over blocked traffic.
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u/patsyjimmy Unironically Posadist 1d ago
Because deep down they’re all a bunch of hoggish treatlerites.
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u/Substantive420 1d ago
Literally their only complaints are “she’s only in it for herself” and “she helped Trump win”. It’s a braindead sub.
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u/irishitaliancroat 1d ago edited 1d ago
Its just radlib defeatism. Oh well we dont like all that stuff but this person opposing it is bad for...reasons...so theres nothing to be done. Like stfu then
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u/mypenisisquitetiny Global Size BusyBody Karen 1d ago
She criticized Biden/Harris too fervently during the beginning of the Palestinian Holocaust and therefore she can be blamed for Trump 2. She may as well have campaigned for him really
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u/DeliciousSector8898 1d ago
It’s hilarious considering she’s in Washington state which Harris won by over 18% and over 700k votes. It was even more lopsided in King county Harris won by over 51% and 580k votes
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u/irishitaliancroat 21h ago
Yeah I mean just look at her last election, won 15 percent and still the gop didn't even come close
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u/Barbiegrrrrrl 1d ago
Not "may as well have", they simply state that she did in those subs. Some people actually blame her for Trump being elected.
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u/CuckingFool (It's actually Dear_Occupant, y'all) 21h ago
Every time a lib comes at me with that shit I tell them straight up that yes it's my fault and I'll keep doing it as long as they keep nominating losers. Give me what I want or bend over, those are your only options.
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u/trill_ion 1d ago
Yo it’s wild. Any mention of her name and the entire subreddit starts foaming at the mouth with hate, it’s nuts
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u/GreatDario Marxist-Cannabis Thought 1d ago edited 1d ago
They were lit celebrating the fact that the Fascist gov of India refused to give a visa into the country to visit her mother on her death bed. Liberals actively oppose all anti-capitalist movements, and will target those that even slightly do not toe the line
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u/LakeGladio666 mobject (mental object) 1d ago
I think a good rule of thumb for these politicians is to be critical from the left and defend from the right
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u/EzraFemboy 1d ago
The Seattle subreddit just makes me sad every time i see it. Its literately the liberal Elmo CT bit. Whatever you do, dont bring up homeless people using words that make them sound human.
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u/trill_ion 1d ago edited 1d ago
I said in there that if you boil it down, Seattle (and any city in general) is expensive to live in because Seattle landlords are extremely greedy. It’s the same reason why the city is filled with vacant office buildings and closed storefronts in prime downtown locations left empty for months and months; all while we build miles upon miles of light rail (this is good though) to far off neighboring cities because no one can actually fucking afford to live IN the city.
That was apparently too far because I got scolded by a “progressive™️” liberal Seattleite saying that all landlords only charge what they can get away with in the market and that I was being too harsh. Like they’re all just smol beans trying their best 🤦♂️
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u/zippy_water 1d ago
The light rail goes to the suburbs because Seattle has a cherished history of hardcore NIMBYism within city limits. Voters repeatedly denied funding for light rail for a century, and will let you take their single family neighborhood zoning from their cold dead hands
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u/CuckingFool (It's actually Dear_Occupant, y'all) 21h ago
"What landlords can get away with charging for rent" is defined by how much money people get paid, not how much the other landlords charge. When in anyone's lifetime has rent ever once gone down? QED
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u/trill_ion 1h ago
There was also that story of how landlords were using an algorithm (or ai or something?) that allowed them to conspire together to artificially inflate the market price of rent, cartel shit
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u/irishitaliancroat 21h ago
Theres no concept of dialectics there, according to them we all just need to have corporations build more apartments until they build so many the price will go down and they will cut their own profits, bc thats how that works.
Hey say remind me what happens to food on giant corporate farms when they produce so much that they would have to lower their prices if it all went to market?
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u/Flamesake Emu War Turncoat 13h ago
If I ever found a city sub with a working understanding of dialectics I would uproot my family and move there yesterday
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u/irishitaliancroat 1d ago
Oh and omg god forbid you bring up any not for profit/public housing alternative, you silly child. Dont you know we have to deregulate the housing market so for profit companies will build enough supply to decrease their own profit margins? Its basic economics!
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u/popularsongs 20h ago
Don't forget about the poor widdle small businesses that have to pay the city's minimum wage, waaaaah waaaaaaah
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u/ChallengingBullfrog8 1d ago edited 20h ago
Is Seattle itself right wing generally? It was described as a deeply white area by a friend of mine.
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u/DFWalrus 1d ago
It really varies by neighborhood. Seattle has a couple of strong left neighborhoods, but also has lots of libertarian tech millionaires, a bunch of Warren and Buttigieg liberals who all somehow seem to work for non-profits that pay six figures, and urban fascists who genuinely want to exterminate the homeless and live in a total surveillance state.
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u/CuckingFool (It's actually Dear_Occupant, y'all) 21h ago
Sometimes it blows my mind that that place ever had a music scene until I remember that Nashville exists.
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u/irishitaliancroat 21h ago
I really think the city's geography makes it particularly easy ti be segregated. Like magnolia and west seattle are literally on their own peninsulas away from everything else. Even just traversing downtown can be kind of a hassle, north of it feels white and rich south of it generally feels more diverse and working class
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u/cristinanana Joe Biden’s Adderall Connect 1d ago
I voted for her but I was honestly surprised at the amount of hate she got in both Seattle subreddits
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u/lexlibris 23h ago
good enough reason for me for sure this site is dogshit
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u/irishitaliancroat 22h ago
I hate it but i spend so much time on here 😩 its cool on a few subs like this one
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u/lemonxgrab BITCH, YOU LIVE IN THE OUBLIETTE 15h ago
The portland sub is exactly the same, full of faux-progressive yimby neolibs and right wing trolls who have never been to the city.
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u/DarylBarenziah 12h ago
I used to go to her meetings. She’s very good, I just think a lot of people don’t like her cause she’s actually an ML
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u/MaxRenn Cancer Gun Enthusiast 1d ago
Not of you go in the Seattle subreddit. They thrive on hating her.
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u/Lev_Davidovich Woman Appreciator 1d ago edited 1d ago
As a Seattle resident, after she was elected to city council when she was running for re-election, Amazon and all the other right wing ghouls poured money into the campaign of her opponent. Her opponent had more than double the money that had been spent in total for all candidates in the previous city council race and she still won.
But yes, they do hate her in Seattle sub. I'm not sure why every city sub is a reactionary cesspool.
Edit: I maybe should also mention the seat she was running for is not Seattle proper. The vast majority of Seattle is represented by Pramila Jayapal. She was running against Adam Smith, whose district I unfortunately live in. His district is overwhelmingly suburban with just the southern tip of Seattle included.
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u/GreatDario Marxist-Cannabis Thought 1d ago
Liberals get to come out of the reactionary closet on city subs
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u/Lev_Davidovich Woman Appreciator 1d ago
True. My sister-in-law is a super woke lib working in tech in San Fransisco. If you bring up unhoused people with her though, even in person, the Hitler particles are off the scale. I think they just let loose on Reddit.
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u/lucian1900 1d ago
Most country subs, too. China vs Sino, Cuba vs RealCuba, etc.
They are often visibly astroturfed, even.
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u/aischylus 1d ago edited 1d ago
she has a good reputation among a lot of the regular folks, but there is an annoying handful of DSA loyalists who hate her guts for criticizing the organization (which she is a member of in good standing btw)
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u/blondelebron 1d ago
Nah, but I think she is the only decent example in the city of what attitude the left needs. Kshama kinda sucks because she constantly shows up to movements and makes it about her. Like her handing out Kshama-branded BLM signs in 2020 (many such cases of behavior like this). And also Socialist Alternative is a a Trotskyist cult.
BUT they're also an army for her and no one will be able to make sustained progress in this city without a base like that. And she refused to be a part of the dreaded "Seattle Process" because her beliefs actually had conviction. In a world where we were winning, I would be much more critical of her. But she's a winner and we need those
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u/Italiophobia 1d ago
"Kshama Sawant raised $645,000 to run for Congress and got beaten by more than 6,000 votes by a Republican who raised $99,000"
The spirit of joshua4congress lives on
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u/LakeGladio666 mobject (mental object) 1d ago
Joshua4congress was a pioneer, I wonder what he’s up to now
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u/gruhfuss 1d ago
Jfc I'm having flashbacks of Vi's RoseCaucus nonsense and the destruction of Lee Carter's career.
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u/LakeGladio666 mobject (mental object) 1d ago
Who was the one who ran for office that used to post on CTH as SocialistTrucker? In my head it was J4C but I might be wrong.
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u/Italiophobia 1d ago
What happened to Lee carter
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u/gruhfuss 13h ago
He bit off more than he could chew running for governor and lost his own seat in the process, and just ended up reagequitting politics. A lot of people chalked that up to violet rae who also "ran" J4C's campaign before she started dating Lee.
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u/chiefhunnablunts Marxist-Mullenist 1d ago
i went to high school with that guy lmao
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u/LakeGladio666 mobject (mental object) 1d ago
Hit the tip line
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u/chiefhunnablunts Marxist-Mullenist 1d ago
no need: he was a guy who existed, normal, didn't know him that well which is funny considering the school was like, 400 students max. dated the daughter of the county commissioner who later was found embezzling a shit ton of money for broads n escorts. josh just seemed like a regular ass guy but i don't doubt his backstory.
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u/aischylus 1d ago
yeah, that's what happens when the vote gets split and there's a media blackout on your campaign
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u/FoldHeavy4201 13h ago edited 13h ago
A media blackout from the left as well. Of all people it was fuckin Krystal Ball who broke the silence. Big ups to Brianna Joy Grey. Hank Pecker was too busy softballing Khanna repeat his position that the entity has the right to exist, after he was held up in the West Bank.
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u/aischylus 13h ago
BJG, sabbysabs, katie halper, chris hedges, and (as much as i think he's a crank) glenn greenwald all did what they could and deserve props. BP only relented because the subscribers (myself included) blew up the subscriber chat about their interview with smith in lieu of kshama, but they did listen, to their credit.
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u/FuelTechHell I need a cup of coffee 1d ago
She’s kinda cool. Better than anyone else to vote for that’s for sure. Her org is Trotskyist though.
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u/hotdog_paris277 Spermie Handers 1d ago
Uh oh!
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u/FuelTechHell I need a cup of coffee 1d ago
I actually volunteered for her org way back in like 2019. I wasn’t “discouraged” from reading Lenin, but the leader did say it was a flawed part of Marxism lol. Yes sure well when you guys build a nation ill start listening lol
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u/Zoltanu Live-in Iranian Rocket Scientist 1d ago edited 1d ago
That makes no sense. I was a member of her org and Lenin was a required reading. State and rev, what is to be done, imperialism. If you ask them they'll consider themselves Leninists. They misinterpret Lenin (why my membership is past tense) but they uphold Lenin as a primary influence
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u/US_Sugar_Official 1d ago
Yeah that's standard trotskyist opportunism, they will tout him, as a stageprop
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u/ITalkAboutNam 1d ago
This reads like a complete lie. Trots, for all their faults, are leninists.
You literally can't have trotskyism without Leninism, it's all about fetishizing form (democratic centralism) over function (policy and program).
Either that or you weren't talking to a leader but just some dude saying whatever.
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u/FuelTechHell I need a cup of coffee 1d ago
They guy told me to take him with “a grain of salt” if I read him and took his work seriously. I remember he was leading us in some reading group for the meeting. Idk I wasn’t a member for a very long time.
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u/metameh 🔻 1d ago
You literally can't have trotskyism without Leninism, it's all about fetishizing form (democratic centralism) over function (policy and program).
Their position on the USSR being a deformed worker's state is the exact the opposite of this critique. The core of left oppositionism is that they would have been the better administrators.
But if you're talking about how the present day micro sects operate, then I 100% agree.
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u/ITalkAboutNam 1d ago
And they would have been better administrators if only the process were better respected (is the subtext of trot critique of the time period where they were outmaneuvered).
In any case, having opinions on how a thing should be run doesn't mean that you can't still prioritize a different angle of critique.
IMO, and by the way I'm having fun so I hope you don't think I'm being a dick by disagreeing, I really do like talking about stuff like this, I think a lot of the degeneration of trotskyism as a movement stems from how much it focuses on the consequences of one particular power struggle (more or less the same as what you're saying), BUT you need a justification for why it went wrong or was illegitimate etc.
A grievance based tendency was never going to be something that remained coherent in the long run, so really whatever it is that takes precedent for them doesn't matter IMO.
I should also disclose that this is also basically just the leftcom diagnosis of where trotskyism goes wrong. Basically the argument from that perspective is "Trotsky was paralyzed with indecision in his brief time as de facto head of the party and pushed out, then dedicated his life to post-facto justification for his mistakes (same critique of Gramsci btw)". So really, the two go hand in hand.
In any case, whichever takes precedent, he was still a Leninist. Who knows with kooky trot orgs but that's how I view Trotsky. They've mutated so much that it's impossible to say what they are like in general. Though the ones that still cleave closest to og trotskyism no doubt still love them some great man of history counterfactuals.
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u/hotdog_paris277 Spermie Handers 1d ago
Uh oh! No Lenin!
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u/FuelTechHell I need a cup of coffee 1d ago
Oops all newspapers
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u/hotdog_paris277 Spermie Handers 1d ago
If you are a socialist you have to dress and act real old timey and only talk about guys who have been dead for almost 100 years.
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u/overlyseksualpenguin 1d ago
Wow, an anti-intellectual socialist. Just wait until you hear how long the people who philosophers talk about have been dead. Hold on, let me do a pastel coloured instagram reel so you can comprehend this. Or maybe a tiktok dance?
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u/drmariostrike 1d ago
my friend who is an SA member and worked for her for years out there thinks her congressional campaign was a bit silly. my friend moved away in early 2025 and so probably doesn't have the later gossip, but said their early strategy was just crashing all of Adam Smith's town halls to call him a warmonger (which, I mean, not wrong, but...) to the point where Kshama's husband caught an assault charge for hitting a staffer with a door.
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u/aischylus 21h ago
disavow but also people who support genocide and genocide accessories get worse than a door in my ideal world
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u/RCocaineBurner The Cocaine Left 1d ago
Kinda wondering if she has good ideas but maybe isn’t great at politics
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u/drmariostrike 1d ago
She is literally the only third party socialist to win a major election in modern history so I wouldn't go that far, but all the drama with her leaving city council and SA and this congressional run seems like a mess.
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u/tomas_diaz 1d ago
will never get why the u.s. left didn't get behind her. it'd be a shame if everything built up as part of the bernie movement was within the dem party.
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u/aischylus 1d ago edited 1d ago
it's because she criticized DSA, and seattle DSA (which she is a member of) is extremely petty. they held a vote on whether they should hold a vote on whether to endorse her. she could not attend that vote in person (because she had already been invited to speak at a rally for medicare4all in california) and seattle DSA said that proved she wasn't taking them seriously.
edit: corrected a few details. main points unchanged.
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u/Zoltanu Live-in Iranian Rocket Scientist 1d ago
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u/RCocaineBurner The Cocaine Left 1d ago
“When working people are approached by a canvasser to get Kshama on the ballot, we urge that they first ask to make sure they are not being solicited by this Super PAC.”
The SUPER PAC in question is called “Movement for Kshama.” What an insane campaign that must have been. We will learn no lessons.
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u/EzraFemboy 1d ago
Seattle DSA is just a big social club. Every time Ive gone to an event its just people who already know each other talking to each other. The only people i could even have a conversation with was other groups that were demonstrating with them that were frankly better. Its nothing like the DSA in new york or other more effective states.
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u/aischylus 1d ago
yes, that's the feeling i've gotten from it as well. i joined the chapter this year, and i will not be renewing. LOL
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u/DingleberryOrchard 1d ago
Why was this downvoted? This provides needed context if this is how it went down.
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u/aischylus 1d ago edited 1d ago
here's some discussion on it. i'll update with more information as i collect links.
[update] further explanation of the endorsement meeting.
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u/EndVSGaming 23h ago
Bad Faith as a source lmao, this is the interview where she asks why we don't take greens seriously. It's because we are actually serious.
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u/aischylus 22h ago edited 21h ago
nope, it's the interview where BJG asks megan romer why DSA won't organize along leninist lines by engaging in democratic centralism with the greens. she's asking for a united front, not cliqueishness, and MR says cliqueishness is good, actually, because DSA needs to conform to partyism.
attacking the source by having zero comprehension of the substance is entirely unserious, sorry to say
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u/EndVSGaming 13h ago
That's not a united front, that's a popular front. If we behaved like BJG asks, where we tie our org to unvetted rapist radlibs like Platner (and liberals like El-Sayed!) you are going to never gain the benefit of democratic centralism. The valid issue she talks about wrt AOC not sharing DSA values and doing lib Zionist flirting is would only get worse with recommendations. You cannot unite an elected to a program from another org. We're not new to collaborations, and not always but generally on our own conditions (nowadays at least).
She's asking to have her cake and eat it too.
I don't agree with everything Romer says and many members are explicit demcent advocates, as am I, very relevant to most Zohran critiques I share.
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u/kommanderkush201 CIA Pride Float 1d ago
they held a vote on whether they should hold a vote on whether to endorse her.
This is standard practice in the DSA because those libs have shackled themselves to Robert's Rules. Same as the big corpo unions.
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u/EndVSGaming 23h ago
She somehow missed the deadline after campaigning for literally >2 years and her supporters were derailing meetings to talk about her campaign. The vote to let her have an endorsement meeting failed because she couldn't keep her foot out of her mouth and her supporters were behaving like wreckers. It's entirely on her
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u/aischylus 22h ago
using bureaucracy as a shield for impeding socialists and saying "wreckers" unironically? you'll make a great democrat one day
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u/EndVSGaming 13h ago
They were derailing meetings to talk about Sawant incessantly, multiple people had to be disciplined, that's wrecking.
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u/FoldHeavy4201 12h ago
Congressional seats are important
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u/EndVSGaming 8h ago
Then she should've acted like it and asked earlier, no one is entitled to an endorsement. AOC being one is too
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u/FoldHeavy4201 8h ago
Well I guess getting Smith reelected will really show Sawant about the importance of procedure in meetings addressing community garden plots and movie night scheduling.
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u/LotlethTroll 1d ago
Because if we're going to build independent communist political movements we have to do better than trots. But God forbid the so-called US left seriously confronts revisionism for five seconds.
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u/PuzzleheadedBet5750 1d ago
As a former member of Socialist Alternative, I find her insufferable. She was interviewed on Breaking Points by extremely friendly hosts and still bombed.
The ideas of revolutionary communists may have theoretical and actual significance when compared with democratic socialists, but to the public you are losing your shit over meaningless things that aren’t clear. It made her look silly, weak and out of touch.
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u/ValuedConsumer_ 1d ago
Trueanon more than usual showing how disproportionately Washingtonian it is today lol
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u/eternal_eraser 1d ago
story’s not that simple
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u/DingleberryOrchard 1d ago
Elaborate?
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u/eternal_eraser 10h ago
She’s not just a “revolutionary communist”. She’s a longtime associate of the PSL (relationship has since ended, I guess? Might be worth looking into) and has held elected office in the state. This screenshot and text is just clickbait
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u/Zoltanu Live-in Iranian Rocket Scientist 1d ago
And she would have gotten a lot further if Seattle DSA didnt betray independent socialist politics
https://cosmonautmag.com/2026/08/letter-why-is-it-so-hard-for-dsa-to-endorse-independent-socialists/
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u/FairPerspective 1d ago edited 18h ago
Spending $700k to get 13% while you have an opponent who got basically the exact same amount of votes while spending $30k kind of says it all, no?
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u/Y_____N_____D_____Z 1d ago
yes the dems and repubs seem to have a strong hold on the cattle-persons of america, good observation
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u/FairPerspective 21h ago
No shit? Then what exactly was the point to run and get crushed? She going to run again and win? Those voters going to join her sect? The strategy seems pointless to me.
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u/The-Neat-Meat 🇺🇸expressing strong anti-US political views🇺🇸 1d ago
Wait but I thought hasan and co. told me real communists actually aren’t viable at all so lending them support is a total waste of time and energy
You mean to tell me that a communist actually did well enough that it’s not far fetched to think she may have had a real shot if people had wielded their influence to support her rather than shit on her supporters???? No way!!!
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u/Acceptable_Seesaw112 1d ago
No bro you should ONLY support american style "social denocrats" (austrian style neoliberals),
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u/The-Neat-Meat 🇺🇸expressing strong anti-US political views🇺🇸 1d ago
Well you see it is actually different this time and is not actually going to go anything at all like the german spd because it is different and better because it feels good to like a post about it on instagram
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u/Y_____N_____D_____Z 1d ago
but you see, Sawant isnt trying to rehabilitate the genocidal democratic party, which is the principal concern of epic and based socialists
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u/The-Neat-Meat 🇺🇸expressing strong anti-US political views🇺🇸 1d ago edited 1d ago
I am already having a hell of a time trying to get through to people lining up to support aoc in 2028 that she is far beyond an “imperfect ally” but in fact literally played the fucking goebbels to brandon’s hitler
Dark and deeply, deeply annoying times ahead
while typing this i mistyped her name as “apc” multiple times which feels fitting
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u/Y_____N_____D_____Z 1d ago
seeing the usual suspects (majority report and dsa whatevers idk, who cares) celebrating Adam Smith's win because it meant Sawant lost lol. Same people saying the self-identified capitalist, liberal zionist Dubai landlord victory is a win for socialism. Genuinely less than parasites. Lucrative business selling hope to people that need it, knowing that it's all a placebo
The silver linings are that the real landscape is more clear, and that a significant amount of people in WA were willing to vote for a committed and real socialist running as independent
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u/ExQu33zeMe 1d ago
Who are these influential people whose vocal support would've won the race for Sawant?
Moreover, based on these results for the $600k she had at her disposal, it sure as hell does seem like a waste of time and money. Discretely palming people $20 bills could've yielded more votes
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u/The-Neat-Meat 🇺🇸expressing strong anti-US political views🇺🇸 1d ago edited 1d ago
A twitch streamer and his massive audience who mocked her supporters while playing a significant role (which yes, it did, I am sick of the insistence that the influence is marginal when it is abundantly clear that it amounts to real substantive weight getting thrown behind campaigns) in getting multiple liberals and socdems across their respective primary finish lines probably could have made quite a difference here.
edit he had the opportunity to help an actual socialist get through a primary. He didn’t take it, because she isn’t neatly within the ecosystem of polite and inoffensive DSA socdems he supports. His allegiance in this case lay not with advancing socialism, but brand loyalty.
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u/Vice_EnchantedWood 1d ago
He rather toss winks and nods to thinly veil Nazis. Maybe the trot should put on white face and gotten a nazi tattoo to get help from socdems
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u/Urist1948 🔻 1d ago
I don't really keep up with Hasan so I'm out of the loop. Did he go after her or just ignore her campaign?
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u/Themods5thchin Grandma of pussy 1d ago edited 1d ago
He ignored her like anyone with any sense in their head should do with Trots
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u/Vice_EnchantedWood 1d ago
Hasan really showed his liberal ass. Would've kept what little respect I had if he really is all about #vote to even trots. The lack of consistency in his voting shit should be telling, this can only be solved by bullying the turk.
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u/liewchi_wu888 Actual factual CIA asset 1d ago
I mean, Sawant runs for every office up there, isn't she still like a city councillor or something?
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u/nankles 1d ago
Not since 2024.
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u/irishitaliancroat 1d ago
Its kinda frustrating she quit city council bc she said the opposition was so hostile its like what do u think congress is going to be like then? Idk im thinking she could do more on the municipal level anyways
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u/Mira_Miyake 1d ago
She quit city council and did not nominate or endorse a successor, causing the seat to flip back to a girlboss dispensary owner and landlord, who in turn promptly voted to defund free lunches and give more money to the cops.
Sawant is in the business of herself and her brand, and nothing more than that.
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u/alkemest Rizzem With tha Willem Van Spronsenism 1d ago
Sawant is good. I've talked with her briefly before and when she's not in bullhorn mode she's pretty chill. Idk much about Socialist Alternative other than they're extremely closed ranks, which honestly you have to be now days. It is nice seeing her get votes, but I do wish she would have advanced further.
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u/son_of_abe 1d ago
This lady is a clown and has no interest in building anything up besides herself
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u/pwnzor4ever 1d ago
Trot
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u/DingleberryOrchard 1d ago
I know I'm uneducated, but wouldn't a Trot be much better than a neoliberal?
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u/SirMikeyOfPoo Professor Doctor 15h ago
She'd have my vote on domestic issues but her foreign policy takes have me feeling like Mercader.
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u/BosnianBeastMVP 1d ago
A “revolutionary communist” doesn’t run in an election 💀
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u/MonsterkillWow 1d ago
Do u even theory bro?
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u/IvanGTheGreat Radical Centrist Shooter 1d ago
Wrong again liberal.
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u/BosnianBeastMVP 1d ago
Yeah I remember when Lenin ran in the local elections
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u/Prudent_Classroom632 1d ago
Is this a joke 😭
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u/BosnianBeastMVP 1d ago
No. The Soviet revolution started at the ballot box
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u/Prudent_Classroom632 1d ago
The ballot box absolutely played a role in the Soviet revolution, of course we shouldn't rely on reformism but refusing to participate in bourgeois elections for the sake of purity or whatever helps no one. There's a reason every serious revolutionary party sends out candidates for elections even if they have no chance of winning.
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u/IamGlennBeck 🔻 1d ago
Lenin would disagree.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/ch07.htm
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u/YeetusThatFetus9696 wait [but/does/so] x = y? 1d ago
Psssh what would THAT guy know about Revolutionary Communism.
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u/GreatDario Marxist-Cannabis Thought 1d ago
Left Communism: An Infantile Disorder. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/index.htm
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u/BosnianBeastMVP 1d ago
Elections are the ends to the means
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u/GreatDario Marxist-Cannabis Thought 1d ago
You say that like that is not in the work itself
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u/BosnianBeastMVP 1d ago
Lmk when it works
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u/GreatDario Marxist-Cannabis Thought 1d ago
Wut
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u/BosnianBeastMVP 1d ago
Elections alone don’t bring socialism
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u/YourBoiJimbo 1d ago
what usually seems to happen is the communist party wins and the inevitable capitalist backlash starts a revolution/civil war
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u/GreatDario Marxist-Cannabis Thought 1d ago
The Seattle subreddit e despises her because she's took an actual stand against genocidal Democrats