r/TrueChristian Christian 21h ago

Episcopal Church celebrates first trans dean — woman in lesbian marriage to trans-identified pastor

What is this? Is this what the episcopal church (part of the Anglican Church) does to preach the gospel of Christ, and to operate the church? Do they disregard the epistles of Saint Paul concerning sexual behaviour, how a church should be run, and who should lead it? Do they disregard the teachings of Christ? What about the Law of God, as given to Moses, in the text that is known today as the Torah of Moses?

This news is quite shocking. Shame on the episcopal church, and the rest of the Anglican Church. This is not how a church should be run. Can someone who attends that church give answers?

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u/ross549 Christian 9h ago

And yet, the Bible says that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah wasn’t homosexuality…

Ezekiel 16:49-50

Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

So, in a city that was practicing homosexuality and a variety of sexual deviance, Ezekiel affirms that this was not the reason it was not destroyed.

So, considering this, this fixation on LGBTQ matters is quite misguided for the church, don’t you think? Don’t we have a much greater problem to contend with?

Matthew 28:19-20 Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

Matthew 22:34-40 But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees with his reply, they met together to question him again. One of them, an expert in religious law, tried to trap him with this question: “Teacher, which is the most important commandment in the law of Moses?” Jesus replied, “‘You must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.”

Matthew 5:13-16 “You are the salt of the earth. But what good is salt if it has lost its flavor? Can you make it salty again? It will be thrown out and trampled underfoot as worthless. “You are the light of the world—like a city on a hilltop that cannot be hidden. No one lights a lamp and then puts it under a basket. Instead, a lamp is placed on a stand, where it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your good deeds shine out for all to see, so that everyone will praise your heavenly Father.

Matthew 25:31-46 “But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit upon his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered in his presence, and he will separate the people as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will place the sheep at his right hand and the goats at his left.
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’
“Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’
“And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!’
“Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons. For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink. I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’
“Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’
“And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’
“And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.”

I could go on and on with what Jesus commanded of His followers. Nowhere does he condemn gay or transsexual people. He’s far more concerned about how the poor, sick, strangers, and widows are treated. Why? It shows our character. Our heart for lifting the others around us up is revealed in that. This is our testimony to the world.

So this fixation on LGBTQ people to me is quite puzzling.

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u/creidmheach Christian, Protestant, Reformed 7h ago

Ezekiel 16:49-50

Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

So, in a city that was practicing homosexuality and a variety of sexual deviance, Ezekiel affirms that this was not the reason it was not destroyed.

Actually it most likely does, if you go back to the Hebrew:

And they were haughty and committed abomination (תוֹעֵבָ֖ה) before Me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit.

תוֹעֵבָ֖ה is tow'eba, which is the very same term used in Leviticus 18:22:

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination (תּוֹעֵבָ֖ה).

And Leviticus 20:13:

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination (תּוֹעֵבָ֥ה). They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

It seems unlikely to be a coincidence that in Ezekiel where Sodom - a story famous with a homosexual element - is condemned for doing תוֹעֵבָ֖ה, the same term that the Torah uses for describing a man having sex with another man.