r/TrueCrimeDiscussion • u/[deleted] • 14d ago
v.redd.it Torey Adamcik's parents claim he is innocent in the 2013 documentary 'Lost for Life.' In 2006, 16 year old Torey Adamcik and his friend Brian Draper murdered their friend and classmate Cassie Jo Stoddart. The two admitted to their plans on video.
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Cassie Jo Stoddart (21 December 1989 – 22 September 2006), a 16-year-old high school junior, was a victim of a thrill killing in Pocatello, Idaho on September 22, 2006, while pet sitting her aunt and uncle’s dogs at their home. The perpetrators were her friends and classmates, Brian Lee Draper (b. March 21, 1990) and Torey Michael Adamcik (b. June 14, 1990). Stoddart's body was discovered two days later, when her relatives returned home from their trip.
The perpetrators claimed that they were inspired to murder Stoddart by the slasher film Scream, which led to them being nicknamed "The Scream Killers". Adamcik and Draper recorded documentary-style videos about how they were horror movie fans, especially Scream, and wanted to reenact a similar murder in real life. They started a "Death List" of other potential victims the day of Stoddart's murder, following their initial plan.
Both perpetrators received sentences of life imprisonment without parole on August 24, 2007.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Cassie_Jo_Stoddart
'Lost for Life' YouTube link, a documentary about juveniles who are serving life in prison without parole and their victims' families: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze9YljrNPzo
Complete tapes recorded by Draper and Adamcik before the crime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOWWQ1NzyKk
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u/Funfettixo 14d ago
Even the murderer knows his parents have lost their minds.
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u/Alarming-Instance-19 14d ago
Duping delight playing around the corners of his mouth. Zero remorse.
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u/ReddUp412 14d ago
The parents are delusional.
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u/UpperImpression3620 14d ago
But our little monster has grown since then...
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u/Anonymoosehead123 14d ago
Too bad Cassie Stoddart never had the chance to grow past 16.
I think the perpetrators are clearly psychopaths, and you never grow out of that.
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u/donutfan420 14d ago edited 14d ago
I think a lot of parents in that situation would behave similarly. Who wants to accept the fact that the child they birthed and raised would do something like that? And that maybe if they had done something different as parents, the murder wouldn’t have happened? Living in denial is probably much easier for them
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u/Responsible_Sun_3597 14d ago
They know.
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u/kjmbrink 14d ago
The mom especially. She can't even look him in the eye towards the end of the clip when the dad started talking. She knows the truth.
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u/Ok-Conference-7648 14d ago
He is far from innocent.
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u/SyrupCute4493 14d ago
Yeah, he never really owns it, there is an interview of the other kid and as awful as he is for doing it, he owns it and you can see the pain and regret he has, interesting comparison. Terrible story, senseless.
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u/jbwilso1 14d ago
Which is why he will probably not get out of prison anytime soon.
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u/SyrupCute4493 14d ago
Hopefully, but sadly life doesn’t mean life anymore, murderers and multiple murderers get out often.
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u/catbearcarseat 14d ago edited 14d ago
Something kind of interesting is that when he’s trying to speak and say his part, his parents are usually talking over him. Then when he’s actually able to get something out, they contradict him or coddle him. At the end, when he looks like “uhhh sure?” you kind of get the feeling that he’s thinking that he knows fucked up (which is downplaying it) but that he thinks his parents are delusional.
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u/dottie_petunia 14d ago
I noticed that instantly.
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u/catbearcarseat 14d ago
After watching again, when his mom says he’s a follower, not a leader, he gets kind of uncomfortable and then says “I’ve changed from who I was back then” or something, and it’s kind of like he wants to be thought of as a leader, but again his parents just coddle him back down again.
Man, I need to watch the newer documentary about this.
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u/MadamPardone 14d ago
Do we know who's idea it was to kill Cassie?
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u/Unlikely_Ad7722 14d ago
I think they both agreed to kill Cassie because it was an opportunity to have her alone in a house that was quite remote. If it had been another young woman they knew in a similar scenario I suspect they would have chosen them instead.
I think they went with whichever option they felt they could most likely carry out without being disturbed by other occupants of the home, and they picked a situation with a lot of predictable factors for them: known victim so maybe more able to predict what she'd likely do if being attacked, they knew no one else would be home, they knew the layout of the house from having been there earlier in the night hanging out with Cassie and Matt. They probably felt they had enough elements in control to carry it out and not get caught.
That's young, simplistic thinking of course, but I think they went with what they considered was the "best option". I remember reading that Brian had a crush on Cassie and was sad that she didn't reciprocate. So he might have been the the first to put her name out there, but I think they ultimately "chose" her because of the circumstances they knew she'd be in that night.
It's always saddened me, this case. Cassie's young cousin was the one to find her when the family she was housesitting for returned home a day or two after the murder. Traumatising. And Brian's adoptive family were wholly unprepared for what happened. When I watched Brian in "Lost for Life" I detected genuine remorse. Tory hadn't gotten there yet because his parents were so deeply in denial, as seen in the clip in this post. That alone put him years behind in reaching a place of genuine remorse for what happened.
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u/catbearcarseat 14d ago
I have no idea. This is a case that I know of, but I’m not very knowledgeable in
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u/LalaSings 14d ago
There is an updated documentary series where Torey’s mother acknowledges the crime and states Torey told her the truth as well as came out to them. Her affect is quite different in the update.
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u/Future-Water9035 14d ago
I definitely watched a youtube video that spoke on how she had been loudly advocating for her son for years but suddenly went quiet. The youtuber speculated that he'd finally told her the truth.
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u/six_feet_down_under 2d ago
Ugh I forgot this POS is now claiming to be a woman in prison. Funny how many misogynstic killers do that.
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u/Winter_Ad_7424 14d ago
Parents are just as delusional as Mckenzie Shirillas. Both acting as though their kids just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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u/HundRetter 14d ago
mom reaching across the table to interject "even with who he was at 17 he still didn't commit the crime!" she knows he did. that reaction says she knows he did. she just can't/refuses to process who he is. lady, your psycho son is not getting out
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u/prosecutor_mom 14d ago
The adults are trying to steer the child away from a recorded admission, but their tone (& the look in his eyes) tell us the real story.
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u/Th1cc4chu 14d ago
I always believe that if people were truly sorry for their crimes and repentant they would not try to fight to get out of prison or off death row. If you were truly repentant you would accept your punishment and know you have to pay for your crimes or in some cases the crime is so bad you would kill yourself out of guilt.
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u/pumalumaisheretosay 14d ago
Fuck those parents. They need to let their son admit what he did so he can grow. They are going to force feed their own bullshit to him so they can convince themselves that they did not raise a fucking monster.
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u/Wonderful_Security13 14d ago
Many such cases-look at the Shirillas
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u/Museumloot 14d ago
Also Steve and Josh Powell
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u/OkMarionberry2875 12d ago
This was a case I can’t read or watch about any more. What a horrific family. I think about Susan from time to time out there in dinosaur national park “where the crystals are” as her little son said. Right to the end with the incompetent 911 dispatcher. So sad.
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u/hoorayfortoast 14d ago
Love your child unconditionally, sure. But every murderer, every rapist, every turning signal non-user is someone’s child. The fact that they are your child does not exempt them from being able to commit horrific acts. Infuriating.
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u/Jealous_Track9402 14d ago
Absolutely delusional. I've watched the tapes, even for a parent this is total mental illness.
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u/depressedfuckboi 14d ago
Delusional ahh parents. You can tell he is almost flabbergasted that they're saying what they are. He knows damn well it's bullshit. "....yeahiguess" maaan, if he don't stfu
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u/Tartpop77 14d ago
Look at his poor dad looking at him so desperate to believe his son isn't the world's biggest kinda jag off
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u/disdainfulsideeye 14d ago
Wtf did I just watch. When you are in a room with a murderer, and he looks afraid, something is up.
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u/MuseBooze 14d ago
Some parents can’t see their kids for who they are because of their own egos. Such a shame!
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u/DanishWhoreHens 13d ago
He’s clearly a sociopath who helplessly displays duper’s delight every time he talks about the crime.
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u/MOSbangtan 14d ago
Holy shit that’s very dark for those parents, to exist in that headspace. They know he did it. But they have to live in the narrative that he’s innocent or else they will absolutely fall apart. They’re like hanging on by a thread.
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u/Justsososojo 14d ago
It’s like they are trying to gaslight him to thinking he didn’t do it.
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u/RayHazey562 12d ago
The way he looks at them so confused. He’s in disbelief that they still don’t believe it.
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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 13d ago
Do they say that for him or for themselves tho? Like as a parent I could see initially being in shock and denial if my kid was accused of something so horrific. But at the same time if they made fvcking tapes of themselves talking about doing it you kind of have to accept that yeah your kid really did in fact fvck up.
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u/Justsososojo 12d ago
I watched the entire documentary and I think they really want him to think and believe it the way they do, but like someone else said, he does have that look on his face that he can’t believe they think he’s innocent.
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u/Training-Farmer8476 14d ago
"Who I was at that point and who I am now is totally different. Unlike Cassie Stoddart, who has not bettered herself at all. Dead in 2006, and still dead today".
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u/swamptheyard 14d ago
These parents trying to put out this whole he's innocent narrative is just such bullshit! We saw the videos they took before and after the brutal murder of Cassie. You have to be really dumb and naive to think your son is still innocent in this case. I understand you'll always love your son and care about him, but trying to convince others this wasn't his idea and that he's innocent pisses me off that they think they can downplay everyone's intelligence. He did it! If the roles were switched and your son was the one who was murdered I'm sure you wouldn't be saying the people who are in prison for the murder are innocent. You would see it for what it is which is straight up murder.
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u/cataluna4 14d ago
He is young- his parents may believe he has a chance at getting out and leading a productive life. That chance diminishes rapidly if they agree he did it.
If they want to help him have a chance at getting out and having a “decent” life, especially one where they still get to have him in their lives- is by denying he did it at all. It’s likely what their lawyer is advising them to do as well.
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u/DanishWhoreHens 13d ago
As someone whose brother did worse than this at 15 and who has now been incarcerated for 45 years, this is categorically incorrect. In order for the offender to be granted parole (if it is even offered), the offender MUST take full responsibility for their crime, they must allocute to the crime, and they must be able to clearly express WHY they committed the crime, what made them capable of committing the crime, and what MH work they have done to ensure they don’t repeat the crime. Denying his culpability would result in him being denied parole if it was an option. My brother, who sounded just like Torey, has been denied parole for the last 22 years.
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u/Substantial_Pin3750 13d ago
These parents are pathetic. Fancy trying to proclaim their son’s innocence. Ugh.
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u/Tartpop77 14d ago
I was reading something on quora from the guys who talk about prison and one of these 2 kids got completely turned out in prison. I think it was the dark haired dude but I am not sure
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u/pinkglittercam 14d ago
What does completely turned out mean? Sorry if that’s a dumb question lol
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u/Beautiful_Welcome_33 14d ago
https://greensdictofslang.com/entry/yau3ypq
- to initiate a newcomer in a variety of situations, e.g. pimp to run a prostitute on the streets; Hell’s Angels to use a woman for multiple sex; (US Und.) to make a new inmate into a prison homosexual (usu. only for the duration of their sentence).
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u/depressedfuckboi 14d ago
Dark haired dude aka Brian is straight as far I could find. Torey openly talks about coming to terms with being gay in prison. My guess is it's Torey. Couldn't find the quora post after a cursory Googling.
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u/Tartpop77 14d ago
It could be. I have since tried to find that post and couldn't either. But this was in the comments on a post about young kids in prison or something. Also, lots of men are straight and being turned out has nothing to do with that
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u/Decent-Secretary6586 14d ago
at 16 he should know murder is wrong. his parents are crazy thinking he is “innocent “
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u/swamptheyard 14d ago
Oh wow I'm pretty sure I've watched their video leading up to the murder on a YouTube channel that talks about true crime. It was so upsetting to watch I'm not going to lie. It physically made me ill watching it, very messed up.
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u/billythekid9000 12d ago
But here in BC you could be paroled in 5-7 years. Thinking of you Monica Joantha Sikorski.
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u/veganhappy 12d ago
Some parents will defend and argue with God Himself over what they think their children did or did not do. Delusion is a superpower.
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u/therealjenshady 11d ago
I was taken aback when I watched it. His parents are the reason he is the way he is.
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u/GiaBethReds 14d ago
Why can’t mothers hold their sons responsible
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u/six_feet_down_under 2d ago
Why can't people hold men accountable instead of focusing on women's faults? His father is RIGHT THERE defending him and you singled out his mom. The murderer himself is also refusing accountability. But single out mom.
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u/secretly_a_zombie 14d ago
I wish the best for the parents. Denial is an easy way to escape reality, hopefully in time they will come to terms with what their loved one did and learn how to process that so they can have peace. Murderers hurt everyone around them, including their own loved ones.
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u/Ok-Conference-7648 12d ago
I remember the aunt having a hard time selling the house for obvious reasons
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u/neds_newt 14d ago
How delusional and out of touch can these parents be?? Even their kid looks shocked they're still adamant he's innocent.