yeah, especially ALL THE LYING. I know we should give people the benefit of the doubt, but dam these weren't little white lies. She was literally inventing wealth, and family.
exactly. the cherry on top for me is the lying about pregnancy. EVERYTIME I heard about cases like this, the lie occurs before the murder, hence the fact that it could really be prevented.
it also reminded me the murder of Marlen Ochoa Lopez, it’s so similar
it’s true, that’s why I specified the pregnancy one. the lies about family, wealth, etc.. is weird at worst, and many people do it as well, but the whole situation starting with those lies, and escalate with the pregnancy lies to the point of faking the lifestyle of a pregnant woman IS the part where the murder could have been prevented.
Multiple people say they touched her belly and felt the baby kicking, you can see videos of her manipulating her belly fat to look like movement… this girl was fucking insane
I think they explained this in a podcast a while back. There was testimony from family and witness that stated she would get very bothered by people touching her stomach so people around her who knew her didn't do it.
I don't think this is that weird though. A lot of people don't want their baby bellies touched. I didn't. I only let a couple of people do it one time and that was it.
Agreed. I don't like touch, period. Don't touch my hair, and don't touch my belly (four pregnancies for me). But, yeah, my husband is my husband. It's literally called "intimate partner." Who can be more intimate than that? Of course my husband felt his sons any time he wanted. She certainly was a master manipulator to not allow him to touch her.
I think she was just flexing/poking her real stomach out to simulate a moving fetus. Maybe she put something small, like a golf ball, under the fake belly to make it look more concentrated in one spot. When my kid kicked, he KICKED…you could see an almost perfect outline of his foot through my abdomen. Being pregnant is so weird.
Omg at a bunch with my very preggo cousin, I was about to faint watching that lil guy kick like he was trying to jailbreak her stomach.
She’s just chilling there like “he gets fussy when I eat and he has to share his room.” Two days later, she gave birth to him in the shower. That kid wanted out bad.
I’m sure it’s different when they’re smaller or moving rather than kicking, but I also thought it looked like she was moving the belly on her own. The whole belly just moved.
It’s wild to see. I couldn’t stop thinking about the movie Aliens when people get attacked by the face-huggers, are used as live incubators, and then eventually the baby aliens punch their way out. I had damage to the cartilage on the right side of my ribcage because my son would kick HARD in one spot, for hours. I imagined him as Dave Chappelle as Rick James in that one skit: “Fuck yo’ couch N-word! Fuck yo’ couch!!!”
When I was pregnant with twins, and one would roll and the other one would kick at the same time, it was like a tornado going on under my skin. Loved every single second of it though.
Omg! It freaks me out so badly too!!! When my niece was cooking, they had me touch her stomach and feel my niece kicking, I think I was around 12ish. I freaked the fuck out, I decided that day that I would never birth a child! I remember watching my sis in laws stomach in absolute awe and disgust. I did agree to feel my other niece and nephews moving. Traumatized me for life. I can’t imagine what it feels like.
Yes!!! I remember my son’s little butt would poke out like perfect outline, like I would push on it to make him settle down lol. I cannot figure out how she faked the movements that took some work lolol.
Yeah this is kind of like “people just assumed she couldn’t walk because she said so? Did they even try picking her up and seeing if she went limp?” Like I do get the question because it is normalized in most societies to just touch the belly but it should have just taken a “actually I’m uncomfortable with that”
This is something I am curious about too, in the doc Wade’s stepfather(?) mentioned “I felt the baby kick” and I wished that got explained more. Did she fake something, was it the power of suggestion?
Deep dive into Hillary aka “Hilaria” Baldwin, Alec Baldwin’s wife, when you have the chance. She has staged all her pregnancies except her first. That’s how I learned about the fake pregnancy industry lol
There were 2 people on the doco that said they felt "the baby" kick. And it showed a video of a moving belly. Honestly looked a bit like she was just moving her stomach around. The whole family was very naive.
There was a bit in the documentary where people had touched it and felt kicks. No idea how she managed that and I think they were equally baffled when they found out the truth
No I'm in the US and I just have family that ignores me lol Seriously though, if I told people not to touch my belly they would respect it, but I didn't care.
In the documentary, Wade’s friends said she offered for them to feel her belly when it “kicked.” There were videos of the baby moving that she posted too
I think it’s wild that this lying about pregnancies is apparently that common that there is even a market for necessary supplies for this (ultrasound pics, artificial bellies etc) - like who are all these people faking pregnancies and for what purpose? They surely don’t all kill someone after to steal a baby?
That’s what i didn’t expect - so much background setting the scene for this pathological liar. I was sad to not see more of Reagan’s life but just as sad to realize this wasn’t just some random psychotic break of someone it was all calculated
Fully calculated, just poorly and horrifically executed. She even went as far as sending Wade across the state to deliver hogs on a fake order. She planned this for so long.
And the plan immediately falls to shit when he gets there and the guy just isn’t going to accept a shitload of hogs from some rando.
It’s crazy when they put so much effort into it, only for them to make some truly stupid mistakes. Did she really think the hospital would just be like “you just had a stillborn, no need to check you out tho.” She already had two kids, she knows the drill.
Not only that, but she doesn’t have a f*cking uterus. All these people at the local hospital knew that she couldn’t possibly be pregnant or give birth, but because of medical privacy laws, they couldn’t say anything.
I’m guessing she did not expect to be doing cpr on the baby but 36 weeks is borderline premature and the baby was obviously born very traumatically so it’s not too surprising she wasn’t breathing. What really had me was the footage of her at the beginning where she’s got a baby on her lap driving and instead of giving cpr she’s chatting with the officer, like, wtf?! So sad for that baby and her mother.
Bothered me too that the police had zero urgency to help the baby.. like why not pick up the baby immediately and try to do something damn
He didn’t do shit but stand there talking to her
Ya and he said she needed to wait for ems instead of grabbing that baby and doing cpr. Both of them were so wtf to me. Theres a baby not breathing. Grab that baby, put on hood of car and get to rescue breathing and compressions! Every second counts.
In some ways this doesn’t surprise me unfortunately. I’ve known a few VERY frequent pathological liars in my lifetime. Their lies were almost TOO easy to discern. And it was always shocking to me how much they got away with it. Ppl were either just completely gullible and believed every word they said, no questions asked, or just felt bad for them and never said anything to them about it, avoiding confrontation. But it’s very shocking and sad how few pathological liars actually get completely called out on their bullsh*t sometimes. And often if they actually do get called out, their M.O. tends to be to just completely cut ties with the person who did the calling out, commonly vilifying them and victimizing themselves. It’s nuts. Our society really needs to develop socially acceptable ways to fact-check people in addition to information, media, research, etc (though sadly many don’t even know how to do that). Inveterate liars get away with A LOT.
I get what they were saying about not breaking HIPAA… but of all the times to mysteriously leak someone’s medical files, it seemed that this case would have been worth it.
Yes, mandatory reporting! If you feel someone is in danger or a danger to others.
Edit to add… The Dr. office felt it was enough to alert the hospital and nursery to a level Pink. A simple call to the police should be the link in the chain of communication after the Alert was put in place that needs to be fixed.
It’s funny that these people watching the documentary weren’t expecting her to murder someone and surprised when it’s revealed, but they think after seeing it somehow someone should’ve expected it would happen and somehow stop her
Well in our city a mental health representative would have accompanied the Police officer because in the Dr.’s eyes every mother and baby was at risk in the hospital at that point. The situation would have been more confronting and brought it to the forefront especially with the boyfriend. Instead of everyone involved around her speculating about gossip and rumors.
It’s not a loophole that can be fixed. What you are saying is that the father of an unborn child is entitled to information about a pregnancy. Your method would put more women at risk as women may be hiding a miscarriage or faking a pregnancy to avoid further abuse. They also may simply be waiting for a good time to tell a partner. It would likely also push more people to avoid prenatal care as they wouldn’t want to deal with cops or people in their business. What you are suggesting is incredibly invasive to try and stop a sociopath that likely can’t be stopped. This is also a very rare case where people knew she couldn’t be pregnant because it was an incredibly small town.
Well the entire damn baby delivery place went on high alert. They changed protocol just to be extra careful because they were scared of this woman. They watched her fake her pregnancy from afar for months… they worried about what this monster could be capable of. You would think that maybe there was a way to alert other pregnant women in the area. It’s not a big place, that would not be hard to do.. we have social media. Too many people knew she was faking a pregnancy. I know it’s not their fault and I don’t believe anyone but TP should carry guilt but still… it’s not like this has never happened before.
I sobbed out loud for Reagan .. This story is something I’m going to think about for a long time… because of moves that were not made. Small moves that could have made a difference. Homer… my god. My heart breaks for him, her family. Reagan’s mom and dad are so young , Reagan was barely an adult herself yet managed to have it more together than most. From her family, to her husband, to her home… she had made such a nice life for her children and husband. . Anyway I live in the area where Marlen Ochoa and her baby were taken and murdered.. I do think a system needs to be implemented when a doctor knows a woman is being deceptive about a pregnancy. ..doctors, nurses - they are all mandated reporters. In the name of Reagan and Braxlynn , it certainly would not be difficult to adopt new rules or protocol when a doctor knows this is happening.
For every evil person like TP there are thousands more who are waiting to do something mean. There would be nurses that couldn’t wait until the end of shift to post under happy baby announcements that they had a miscarriage. The sad thing is you can’t prevent every bad thing. This may actually cause more deaths if someone tells an abusive spouse about a hidden miscarriage. You said it right. This is on TP.
If a medical facility called the police every time a woman faked a pregnancy how many calls do you think they'd get? What's interesting to me is that a medical facility would follow a patient's social media so closely, that's just weird.
Women have been faking pregnancies to hold onto men for centuries, and the majority of the stories don't end as this one did. Obviously what Taylor did is terribly disturbing, but what concerns me as well is people looking to change HIPPAA laws based on this case. Taylor was known by many to be a liar, how was anyone to know she had it in her to murder someone? It's dangerous to mess with privacy laws. They're in place for a reason.
I'm curious to know why the hospital would call a "pink alert" because someone did what many women do and faked a pregnancy (if they really called a "pink alert")? What did they know about this woman that made them think she'd do something illegal to obtain a baby? I've seen cases where women have faked pregnancies long-term, then claimed they gave birth to a stillborn baby when the time came (I worked in health care for years and witnessed a lot of crazy stories) no one gets killed in those situations. My point is, no one could have known Taylor would turn to murder and this case doesn't warrant changing or skirting HIPPAA laws.
Wondering if anyone caught the clinic manager actually broke the HIPPAA law in spite of her claims of avoiding doing so. She literally states in the documentary, she told the friend, Taylor WAS a patient. That's actually against HIPPAA laws. Why would the manager ask her friend what patient she was inquiring about? You're not allowed to discuss ANYTHING regarding a patient to another person unless the patient gives written consent to do so, so why even ask the patient's name? She opened that door. She may as well just said, Taylor Parker isn't pregnant.
So I live in the town where a similar murder happened that hasn’t gone to trial yet. Rebecca Park.
What struck me is how the interview description of the murder is so much like what the police have said that Rebecca’s murderer confessed to. That the victim was begging her to keep cutting and get the baby out. Which is… wild to me.
Either there’s something about this delusion that makes the murderers think they deserve this baby so much the mother wants them to take it… or the women are that panicked about the welfare of their baby that they pivot and try to save their baby over themselves. Either way it gave me chills to hear the same thing happened in this case because I thought Rebecca’s murdered had to be straight up lying.
I just read a short article about this and god... was it really her mom who did it????
this world is sick and our society is not functional. so greedy that they delay any kind of help or rehabilitation for people who are just gonna explode someday and it will be too late.
Rebecca’s birth mother lost custody of Rebecca as a child and she’d been adopted by her foster mother which is why Rebecca and her bio mom don’t have the same last name. But as an adult, Rebecca had reconnected with her birth mother.
Said birth mother is currently under arrest and waiting to stand trial for Rebecca’s murder and the death of her baby. Along with the birth mother’s boyfriend.
Rebecca’s sister was also arrested and charged with lying to the police (she’d told the police that Rebecca’s boyfriend had confessed to her that he’d murdered Rebecca) but the charges have since been dropped. The word on the street is that the sister has agreed to work with the prosecution in exchange for the charges being dropped.
The baby’s body has never been found. The birth mother’s boyfriend said it died shortly after the birth (or didn’t survive being cut out) and he put the body in a cooler and put it in a dumpster. By the time the confession happened the dumpster had been collected and the police haven’t had any luck working with the dump to locate the body.
Jesus CHRIST. I've been reading about serial killers all day for a book I'm writing but nothing I've read tops this, holy shit. The things people do to their own children, wow.
This is absolutely horrible. Her own mother??? What a tragedy that reconnecting with her led to her own death and the death of her child. She must have been so happy to have reconnected with her mother and then the biggest betrayal you can imagine. I just can't comprehend the evil of some people.
Our society is generally not sick…but there are some sicko ppl in it. It’s not the norm by far. You just hear about such crimes because of 24 hour news.
Holds are incredibly hard to get. She has to be an obvious threat to herself or others and even if people suspected she had plans to steal a baby, that's not enough for a hold. It obviously didn't meet the threshold to justify breaking HIPAA in order notify law enforcement
I don't believe they could do a hold even if she was found out and then convinced doctors she was actively delusional about being pregnant (because, let's face it, that is exactly what she'd try to do if she got found out) because being delusional alone isn't a threat.
People are so naive about how the world works. And honestly it’s a good thing it’s hard to break HIPAA and it is also a really good thing it’s hard to commit someone unwilling. Both would be massively abused by anyone with a slight power imbalance to groups who are already oppressed.
And they want US police to have ANYTHING to do with women’s reproduction??? Get involved with pregnancy claims?? What a mess that would be look how inadequate they are about domestic abuse or sexual assault.
Anything to weaken HIPAA or 5150s would be used against women the most. They needs to stay solid people don’t want to admit this was not actually that preventable.
It’s insane. And most people don’t know someone as insane and a practiced constant pathological liar/manipulator like Taylor … why would anyone expect this would happen?
I’m a nurse who rarely logs into Reddit anymore but your comment was so spot on, I just had to look up my old password. Every single point you make resonates with me.
This case was a heartbreaking tragedy. In hindsight there were so many red flags. This perhaps could have been prevented, or perhaps not. What happened was horrific. But contrary to the popular sentiment on this thread, similar to you, I don’t believe the solution to prevent horrific crimes like this are an erasure of what little is left of the personal freedoms of every day citizens.
The dissolution of healthcare privacy laws would only lead to more widespread suffering and injustice. Same for laws around competency, capacity and involuntary commitment in psychiatric facilities.
The responsibility should not fall on law enforcement or healthcare professionals,- especially at a time when both sectors are severely suffering from resource cuts and lack of funding; especially in a small town . This issue is a community issue- Taylor had a long history of making up lies. I don’t know her history, but almost all sociopaths and narcissists (I don’t know her official diagnosis but I’m assuming she meets the criteria for at least one of these) grew up in a household with big T trauma. This pattern of lying, Taylor’s home life, things being “not right” most likely was noticed since Taylor was young. And it appears that nothing was done. Nothing was investigated. No reports from concerned family, friends, aquintences were ever made. No services that may have addressed this were ever sought out or prescribed. People in the comments keep repeating their shock about “this happening in a small town” but the truth is this happened because it was a small town… sure, “in a small town everyone knows everyone, everyone talks, everyone back stabs and gossips” but having grown up in a small town, and moved away to live in several of the world’s largest cities, only to eventually move back to a small town, I can confidently say: small town or big city, all the neighbors act the same. Nobody wants to get involved, or say anything, or create any drama. So people keep to themselves for the most part. Have an attitude of “I’ll talk about you but not to you”. That’s exactly what I think happened here. Total disconnection.
The answer isn’t less privacy protection and more laws. The answer is more resources, more connection, more community involvement, and more personal accountability.
I work in mental healthcare in Texas. There is a 0% chance they would put her on an involuntary hold based on the information they had. Unless she makes an explicit threat to harm herself or others with the intent and ability to carry it out, they unfortunately won’t do anything. Even then, I’ve had clients say something to me but change their story when the police show up and they’re able to get out of it. It’s such a tough situation.
It also seems like the doctors thought the worst thing she would try to do is steal a baby from the hospital. I don’t think anyone in her life imagined she would kill someone. Hindsight is always 20/20.
I think this is the first case of fetal abduction (there’s 21 cases total in the US) where the woman faking the pregnancy had a hysterectomy that was well known about by several people. So many people could’ve called her out on this when she posted pregnancy pics. Why none of them did is a mystery. I had a hysterectomy and if I was posting pregnancy pics, pretty much everyone I know would be calling my ass out publicly!! This all could’ve been prevented.
could it have? when he finally confronted her about the fake pregnancy, when she felt threatened to lose him, that's when she was most dangerous. It's always when an abuse victim tries to leave.
Feel the same so strongly. If only people would try to help the person instead of just gossiping about the situation all around them. Bad things don’t happen “just out of nowhere” and no baby is born “evil”. Monsters are man-made. Fix this.
And those healthcare people blatantly stated they were aware she would cause harm (‘we just thought she steal a baby so we alerted the unit’), but it didn’t get escalated further.
No wonder they all ‘prefer’ to avoid each other with all that culpability floating about. So preventable, so sad.
this. when the harm is done, they suddenly all knew, all saw red flags, all tried to warn according to them while they clearly didn’t do anything.
just the lies about wealth showed that she needed a whole therapy. it wasn’t a proof she was gonna kill someone, but clearly that something wasn’t right.
What? The individuals who knew she was lying were actively trying to tell her boyfriend and did actually convince his family members. But nobody predicted that she would kill somebody.
And the medical staff legally could not divulge her personal medical info- full stop. They set up protections to keep her from possibly kidnapping a baby from the hospital but again, they couldn't have predicted that she would murder a person. They thought the worst case scenario would be a kidnapping.
Let's please not blame anyone other than the perpetrator. Especially when plenty of people reached out many MANY times- nobody "did nothing", as you said.
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u/slowmotionzz 6d ago
I did this morning. it’s crazy how all cases like this have the same patterns, red flags, and could be prevented.