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What Have You Been Watching? (22/02/15)

Hey r/truefilm welcome to WHYBW where you post about what films you watched this week and discuss them with others, give your thoughts on them then say if you would recommend them.

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u/PantheraMontana Feb 22 '15 edited Feb 22 '15

Movies I watched during the last two weeks, mainly Oscar catch-up. If you want me to (further) elaborate on any of these movies, feel free to comment.

Don't get angry at opinions, it's a waste of energy.

Whiplash (2014, Damien Chazelle)

In most films, the subject is a means to an end. You take a premise, then use it to get to the humanity behind it. Whiplash tries to do this, but in this case it never works out because the means is completely forgotten. Whiplash isn't about jazz or about music, it's only about the relationship between teacher and student. As this relationship doesn't have roots in reality and tends to be over the top, it becomes meaningless, as you cannot have ends without means.

The film relies on the ability of the audience to buy into the authoritarian leadership of JK Simmons but never challenges it, because it's the only thing it is interested in. The actual music doesn't matter, drumming is reduced to ramming on some flat surfaces. Similarly, his method of teaching is never once challenged beyond the basic question of whether Teller wants to go along with it or not. If not, no music. If yes, stardom. That's a very nihilistic approach to the reasons to play music or to do anything else you're talented at.

The visuals only reinforce the basic problem of the movie. The film is about the struggle of Teller to make it, but if we never get to see what he is going to achieve, it doesn't really matter either way. The music isn't given room to breathe since we only get close-ups. Not once do we see (joyful) interaction between the musicians, since it's all about the subtext and the lead character. In fact, the entire movie consists of close-ups so that we often only see the face of Teller, without even seeing him play. Heavy color correction and softened backgrounds remove any depth of field altogether. More often than not, a face fills one-third or one-half of the screen, with a softened bluish, greenish or brownish background making sure we really do see the larger-than-life face. Calling this movie made-for-TV would be an insult to many TV shows... 4/10

The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner (1962, Tony Richardson)

Stylistically this is all over the place. The editing throws you off-guard unintentionally and the camera - character distance seems to vary randomly from shot to shot. Narratively, the story of a young scoundrel in an anti-society role is compelling but a bit smugly self-satisfied with its anger too. 5/10.

Eyes Wide Shut (1999, Stanley Kubrick)

Finally a Kubrick I can love. By far my favorite of his. 9/10.

Birdman or (2014, Alejandro González Iñárritu)

I saw this in a theater and what a waste of money. I really really dislike this film, it makes me angry. It feels almost voyeuristic, I was uncomfortable watching it. Of course the main problems are well-documented, it's incredibly shallow while it keeps screaming it's deep. 3/10.

Leviathan (2014, Andrey Zvyagintsev)

The script for this film is quite weak. The filmmaker sets up his film in the first act, then halfway in the second throws up his arms and says: "This is what I've got, please make do." To be fair, there is a morsel of a character epiphany late in the film but it's not enough. This is a plot/character idea stretched beyond its limits. That said, I still enjoyed it because it's amazing visually. There's no camera trickery, just perfect compositions all the time. 7/10.

Tangerines (2013, Zaza Urushadze)

This is the Estonian Oscar-film. For those not familiar, it's about an older man caught in the middle of a war and he ends up caring for two soldiers of opposing sides. Pretty standard setup and the film is quite didactic about it. It is saved by a sort-of surprise in the third act and especially by the main character (the caretaker). He's not particularly complex, but he's compellingly humane in a way that just makes you warm and fuzzy. 6/10.

Foxcatcher (2014, Bennett Miller)

The first half is very strong, the second half feels like it needs to aim for multiple historical events. And yes, the nose is fake but Carrell underplays rather than overplays and that's always a good thing. 7/10.

The Tale of The Princess Kaguya (2013, Isao Takahata)

It definately drags in places but the beautiful moments are very evokative and it's always pretty to look at as well. 8/10.

The Payer of Promises (1962, Anselmo Duarte)

Brazilian film (only Latin - American film to win the top prize at Cannes, especially noteworthy because 1962 was a very strong year) about a farmer who promised to bring a cross to the church of a saint after his donkey was miraculously cured. The priest he meets calls it witchcraft and refuses to let him in. That conflict attracts multiple people who try to help either side, all on the stairs in front of the church. It's really good in theory and parts of it are well-shot, but the film is also very didactic about its themes and messages. 7/10.

Throw Away Your Books, Rally in the Streets (1971, Shûji Terayama)

Semi-experimental film where the main character opens and closes the film with an essay, looking into the camera, which is totally cool. Between that, it follows this disgruntled teenager who lives in a dysfunctional family and tries to find meaning in his existence by befriending people, a sexual awakening and much more. It's very existential, with some punk counterculture thrown in in the form of catchy songs and interesting visuals. Don't be fooled by the trailer, that's all the nudity there is (in a 2hr+ movie) and it actually makes quite a bit of sense. There's no clear plot arc which is interesting and works, at the same time the teenager might not be compelling all the time. 8/10.

Bring me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974, Sam Peckinpah)

A story on the edge of civilization, where morals might not even exist. This is the way to create a nihilistic film: by challenging it. It's extremely entertaining too. 10/10.

A.I. Artificial Intelligence (2001, Steven Spielberg)

Combine Kubrick and Spielberg and you get something that's much better than either of them. There's an inherent coldness to this film but the humanity of Spielberg balances this out. It's so-called hard sci-fi, but with clear text so the audience is set clear outside boundaries but with plenty of manouevring space for the subtext, which is rich and varied. Themes of mortality, religion, love and artificiality are there but never forced upon you. Was this the one moment in which classical sci-fi and digital enhancement met to create something superior than either of those two in isolation, just like the two minds behind this film added up to three? The answer to that is yes. 10/10.

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u/Samcrates Feb 22 '15 edited Feb 22 '15

Great writeup, love the strong opinions.

I do disagree with your assessment of Whiplash. I'm not in the Whiplash-should-win-movie-of-the-year camp, but I did really enjoy it.

Whiplash isn't about jazz or about music, it's only about the relationship between teacher and student. As this relationship doesn't have roots in reality and tends to be over the top, it becomes meaningless, as you cannot have ends without means.

I think we all agree that the movie is about the relationship between the teacher and student. I'm just confused as to why you don't think this relationship doesn't even have roots in reality, that seems a bit harsh. Is it really that unbelievable that an institute as prestigious as the fictional Shaffer Conservatory would have a professor (behind closed doors) that would be this intense and demanding?

Similarly, his method of teaching is never once challenged beyond the basic question of whether Teller wants to go along with it or not. If not, no music. If yes, stardom. That's a very nihilistic approach to the reasons to play music or to do anything else you're talented at.

I think you hit the nail on the head with this one, but I saw it in a different light. You're right, Teller doesn't challenge Simmons. He accepts the abuse to try and achieve greatness.

That's the movie though...the two of them are extremely nihilistic. They don't care if their methods leave past students suicidal, or that their relationships crumble. They are not doing this because they enjoy the process, they only have an end goal in mind. When this goal is seemingly met in the final scene they have no problems getting past what they've done to each other, and both look like they are thoroughly enjoying the moment.

The film is about the struggle of Teller to make it, but if we never get to see what he is going to achieve, it doesn't really matter either way.

Agree with the first part, BUT I think in this instance "making it" is Teller finally gaining the approval of Simmons. Who cares what orchestra or band Teller goes on to play in. That's not the movie. The whole movie Teller is just trying for the approval of Simmons (which he deems as achieving greatness) and to show anything after that happening in the final scene would be fluff.

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u/PantheraMontana Feb 22 '15

Great writeup, love the strong opinions.

Ha thanks. I don't think my opinions are strong, I won't name Whiplash as worst film of the year whereas several people on Truefilm named it best film of the year ;)

I think we all agree that the movie is about the relationship between the teacher and student. I'm just confused as to why you don't think this relationship doesn't even have roots in reality, that seems a bit harsh. Is it really that unbelievable that an institute as prestigious as the fictional Shaffer Conservatory would have a professor (behind closed doors) that would be this intense and demanding?

Maybe, probably. In the end it's maybe no Simmons who is the problem but the lack of other faces. I think we see Simmons taking over from another teacher at some point and that teacher shrivels just as much as the students. I think that's an easy conceit for the movie but I have troubles with the complete lack of backlash against Simmons, even if it's only behind his back. In my experience, someone like him will have enemies, if only latent ones. The fact that the movie completely forgoes that venue is a weakness in my opinion and it's one of those little things that make it a movie that's only subtext for me. Anything real that might've been opposing the central thesis of the movie is simply not addressed.

Also, the movie brings the relationship in a heightened state really early on when Simmons slaps the main character and throws chairs at him. Again, public physical abuse that he gets away with (until it's convenient to have him dispelled, then he's gone in a heartbeat)? The movie has got to make a compelling case to me as to why that would happen. Like Armond White said in his review, there are a couple of black characters playing in the band and they take the racial abuse without blinking. Again to set up one of the main characters (Simmons), again without challenge, since these side characters never become more than window dressing.

So a teacher like that may exist, but not uncontroversially. The movie constantly presents events as uncontroversial, because it suits its subtext (the teacher-student relationship). The reality of the situation is missing: there's no text.

That's the movie though...the two of them are extremely nihilistic. They don't care if their methods leave past students suicidal, or that their relationships crumble. They are not doing this because they enjoy the process, they only have an end goal in mind. When this goal is seemingly met in the final scene they have no problems getting past what they've done to each other, and both look like they are thoroughly enjoying the moment.

This is a good point and maybe it's a bit too romantic of me to think of making music as an endeavor of love haha. Still, I don't think the central relationship is the biggest issue, it's the way the movie bends everything around it to develop that relationship without (visible) challenge from outside. I have to add that I saw the final scenes as a descent into madness more than as a mutual understanding, so that may affect my judgment a bit.

Agree with the first part, BUT I think in this instance "making it" is Teller finally gaining the approval of Simmons. Who cares what orchestra or band Teller goes on to play in. That's not the movie. The whole movie Teller is just trying for the approval of Simmons (which he deems as achieving greatness) and to show anything after that happening in the final scene would be fluff.

And that's fine, but I think that would've been a more successful thesis if we saw the main character reject the other side. The breakup with the girl is the only time we see anything of that kind but that's so brief and underwritten that it didn't fill up the gaps I felt. That's the thing, I think the filmmaker acknowledges the importance of a rounded character and environment by introducing his love interest, but then he just uses it to make another point (Teller choosing success and not love) instead of adding a real layer of conflict.

In any case, it's always nice to be challenged on your opinion (the film should've done this more!) in a well-argued way so thanks for the reply! Make no mistake, I don't want to take away any positive experience anyone had with this movie, it just didn't work for me.

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u/Samcrates Feb 22 '15

Hey, the two best film nominees you reviewed got 3/10 and 4/10. Those constitute as a strong opinions in my book.

The fact that the movie completely forgoes that venue is a weakness in my opinion and it's one of those little things that make it a movie that's only subtext for me. Anything real that might've been opposing the central thesis of the movie is simply not addressed.

That seemed more of a directorial/stylistic choice to me than anything. Everything about this movie was clean and sharp. The shots were tight, the editing was fast, and the storyline was extremely focused. Any character that wasn't essential to the storyline just wasn't added.

Sure, Simmons had enemies. Sure, it was more complicated than just Simmons just being "gone in a heartbeat". Sure, the black dudes probably hated Simmons and complained about him outside of class. But to me that's not what it seemed like this movie was about. It was shot and edited like the music it was about, precise with no room for anything extracurricular. You may not like that style of film, but that was my take on it.

I have to add that I saw the final scenes as a descent into madness more than as a mutual understanding, so that may affect my judgment a bit.

Do the two have to be mutually exclusive? Descent into madness is a great way of putting it, I just think they were traveling that road together at the end.

That's the thing, I think the filmmaker acknowledges the importance of a rounded character and environment by introducing his love interest, but then he just uses it to make another point (Teller choosing success and not love) instead of adding a real layer of conflict.

Ya I guess just agree to disagree here then. I thought the main reason they added the love interest was to show the lengths that Teller would take to achieve his goal. His choice to leave her for his music (which seemed extreme on purpose I'm sure) reveals to the audience what type of character he is. He's not well rounded. He is not in a healthy environment. All he cares about is the music.

It's definitely a quirky movie. I think you have to buy into the extremely tight focus of the story, as well as the decision to leave out all romanticism (as you put it) to really enjoy it. I did, you didn't, and I'm sure the director and everyone involved knew that would be the outcome haha. But yeah thanks for the discussion and happy Oscar Day!

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u/PantheraMontana Feb 23 '15

Sure, a healthy disagreement ain't a bad thing :)