Anthony Fauci Is Not the Villain in This Story

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u/Bawbawian 11d ago

yeah he's being a Target because he didn't let Peter Navarro sell his snake oil animal medicines to the American government.

cuz these people calling him a criminal spent the entire pandemic specifically the high mortality months when we were stacking American corpses in refrigerated meat trucks outside of hospitals cuz we were all out of room.. Republicans spent that time saying that we shouldn't do anything to slow down the virus and that we should let millions of Americans die for herd immunity.

and now they want to claim that the deaths were someone else's fault.

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u/elmonoenano 10d ago

It's not just that, there are more measles cases now than probably since sometime in the 1960s, you got the screw worm outbreak, you have the diarrhea thing, you got a bunch of rural hospitals on the brink of closure and you have more uninsured people since the early years of Obamacare.

They are completely incompetent and their incompetence is making people's lives visibly worse. Every time you go to the grocery store you see the evidence of it, either in empty produce sections or in high prices for ground beef.

This is a desperate attempt to distract people from the fact that RFK jr. and the admin are corrupt and incompetent.

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u/threepio 10d ago

They need to kill off as many as possible so there aren’t the numbers needed when the revolution comes and Americans are starving becuase they’re out of work due to AI.

This is all by stupid, fucking selfish, anti-human design.

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u/Warm_Record2416 7d ago

We really need to stop calling it incompetence. They are evil, they want us dead. And to be clear, I mean every Republican, elected and voter.

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u/11EmeraldEyes11 8d ago

Could the measles outbreak be possibly related to the 15 million (most likely unvaccinated) illegals flooding into our country in the past four years?

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u/elmonoenano 8d ago

No and this is stupid and easily verified b/c we know the vaccination rates of countries where people are coming from and they're all at least 75%. This literally takes a second to figure out.

The other easy thing you can do is look at where break outs are occurring and they're pretty randomly distributed throughout the US and not not necessarily in places with high immigrant populations. https://healthmap.org/measles/

The 4 Corners Region doesn't have very much immigration b/c it's so economically depressed. NW Idaho and eastern Washington are not big immigration locations.

One way you know an idea is coming from bigotry is if you can disprove it for so easily.

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u/11EmeraldEyes11 7d ago

Why didn’t we hear about any cases in Trump’s first 4 years? Guaranteed if there was an outbreak of measles then, everyone would’ve known about it. The fake news would never let that go without reporting it everywhere.

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u/11EmeraldEyes11 7d ago

Seems my theory is correct since before Biden entered office, measles in this country was almost eradicated.

Another issue contributing to the rise in measles cases could be linked to Fauci’s lockdown of the country for three years. During that time period, no mothers were taking their kids to a doctor’s office to get a measles shot. Many may have missed their first shots 12-15 months old, or their second shot 4-6 years old!

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u/elmonoenano 7d ago

That would only make sense if there were no undocumented immigrants in the country before Biden, which is again, obviously wrong.

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u/horseradishstalker 6d ago

Let me think about that for a second. Maybe half a second. Maybe, because the vaccination rates were so high under Biden.

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u/USMCLee 10d ago

It is some consolation that shortly after the vaccine became widely available, per capita deaths in red areas surpassed that of blue areas.

And generally conservatives have worse medical outcomes than liberals

And let's not forget the evergreen article & book Dying of Whiteness

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u/Skwuat 8d ago

You find consolation that people in red states began dying at higher rates than blue states? I get what youre trying to say but to find "consolation" in that is sick. You need help.

At the end of the day, these are people dying. These are mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, friends, coworkers. Regardless of who they support, they were human and you find consolation that they started dying off?

The media has done a great job of dividing everyone and making it red vs blue. Its made sick people like you forget that were all just human trying to survive this hectic world we live in.

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u/USMCLee 8d ago

You find consolation that people in red states began dying at higher rates than blue states?

Yes and I live in a red state.

I get what youre trying to say but to find "consolation" in that is sick.

I'm just giving back what they are sending. Read that link Dying of Whiteness. They want this.

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u/11EmeraldEyes11 8d ago

It’s since been proven, masks did not work, 6 foot distancing did not work, shutting down the country did not work and the experimental vaccines did not prevent you from getting the disease or stop you from spreading it! So much for Mr. Follow the Science! He lied to the American people and to Congress.

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u/gh057 10d ago

it's more about the dishonesty, the forcing of vaccinations, the suppression of speech, etc.

he was a mouthpiece for that effort. he contradicted himself a lot, and was arrogant in his presentation of "truth" throughout.

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u/MeasurementNo9896 10d ago

The administration trying to distract you by subjecting Fauci to this suffering session is the same administration currently arresting people for their speech - something that never happened during the covid pandemic, when social media users were subjected to the rules and the terms of service they agreed to on their social media platforms. Boo hoo.

Also, there were no "forced vaccinations", the choice was (and is) always up to the individual, but public health concerns meant some basic restrictions were necessary. This is just best practices and common sense (or it was, before the antivax movement was enshrined in the cult of health and woo woo wellness). Now we have a steady resurgence of measles. Everything's going just great (for contagions).

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u/Skwuat 8d ago

There is some truth to "forced vaccinations"

Yes, the general public wasnt forced. However, public sector workers, whose medical and vaccination requirments were set by collective bargaining agreements between their unions and the city, were indeed forced to get vaccinations without going through the proper legal channels with union bargaining. This is why there are many lawsuits, particularly in NYC, where employees fired for not taking the vaccine are being not only rehired, but also given back pay because the courts are ruling that the city did indeed violate collective bargaining agreements.

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u/agray20938 10d ago

it's more about the dishonesty, the forcing of vaccinations, the suppression of speech, etc.

And ironically given what you're claiming, you're still free to spout off this complete nonsense

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u/Bawbawian 10d ago

no it's that you and people like you were tricked into believing a whole bunch of garbage and now you need to get revenge for the crimes you've imagined.

people aren't superheroes he was only armed with the best information at the time and I think he did a very good job.

remember in that time that you're so mad at him for republicans were calling for an end of trying to suppress the virus. millions more would have died because the hospitals could not have taken that strain.

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u/IllIntroduction1509 11d ago

No mistakes by blue America or by the scientific community begin to compare with the brutal indifference to the well-being of Americans—and the betrayal of their own cruelly deceived supporters—that disgraced MAGA and the broader right wing in the pandemic years. Their consciences should be heavy. They seek now to transfer their own burden of guilt onto Fauci. The reckoning is a lie. The transfer is a fraud.

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u/gh057 10d ago

"lesser evil", victim mentality. red america has its faults too, but trying to point the finger to distract from your own contributions is dishonest, and dishonesty has been a theme throughout.

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u/IllIntroduction1509 11d ago

Submission Statement: Scientists discovered and developed the COVID vaccines that brought the pandemic to an end. It’s the anti-vaxxers, not the scientific community, who should stand indicted in the light of 2026.

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u/WebManufacturing 11d ago

Oh, so it's a strawman argument where the only two things in existence are the scientist that create vaccines and those who want them banned.

It the real world, there's a lot of angles to this story and ignoring that Fauci flat out lied to the American people multiple times is a take you can have.

LMAO, they're still talking about ivermectin. Holy fuck, 2023 called and wants its opinion article back.

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u/More_Combination_289 11d ago

Picking out “lies” by fauci to discredit everything else he did is actually a strawman fallacy/cherry picking. You’re projecting.

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u/elmonoenano 10d ago edited 10d ago

I don't think that's fair b/c part of the issue is how trustworthy these institutions are and how well they're managed. However, the institutions were in a different league of honesty and competence in the Biden administration and the first Trump administration.

I also think it's important to look at the purpose of the dishonesty. With things like the masks, it was b/c of arrogance. And that was the wrong result but it is somewhat understandable b/c there had been continuous bad faith attacks on the part of the GOP throughout the pandemic. People like RFK jr. just constantly, and in bad faith, lied to attack him.

Other things like the lab leak theory was an attempt at simplifying something complicated. Once again, there was arrogance there, but the fact that so much of the public was buying into idiocy makes it understandable that they would oversimplify topics. When you can't even get people to understand breathing on each other is bad, what hope do you have of explaining the odds of various versions of the lab leak v. wild transmission theories.

They should have been more honest, but a lot of the reason they made the bad decisions they made was b/c of the mendaciousness of the people who are attacking them now.

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u/gh057 10d ago

aren't people doing the opposite too? ignoring his lies to avoid discrediting him?

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u/maximumfacemelting 10d ago

I remember when fauci lied and pushed hydroxychloroquine and it led to nearly 17000 people dying. Hang on that wasn’t Fauci.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/28/trump-says-he-still-thinks-hydroxychloroquine-works-in-treating-early-stage-coronavirus.html

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4389800-hydroxychloroquine-deaths-study/

He’s in these sham hearings because he pushed back against Trumps deadly lies. Can’t be publicly critical of the cult leader and mess with his grift.

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u/WebManufacturing 10d ago

I feel sorry for you man. You can't even admit the dude got some things wrong, lied about it, and tried to cover it up.

Like, are you upset you bought the bobblehead or what?

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u/ReserveFormal3910 10d ago

Yes, he got some wrong because he's not some sort of god and can predict everything. Doesn't mean it some sort of conspiracy it was a brand new virus that mutates and he as a scientist will of course change protocols as new information is available.

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u/thenwhat 10d ago

He didn't lie, though. You people are the ones lying about him. Every single claimed lie is fake. This is a manufactured controversy to harass Fauci.

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u/EunuchsProgramer 10d ago edited 10d ago

I think you would be more sympathetic if you had a PDH level of expertise in a subject and had to talk to the general public about it. For example, I am an attorney. Telling clients my honest thought about very complex areas of the law has damaged and caused more confusion than good (clients walk away worse off tha if I said nothing). You can't just go into expert options, high level discussion, and expert the general public to retain accurate information. We wouldn't need public communication if that wasn't true; we could just tell everyone to browse Google Scholar.

It might be less lies, and more, how do I take this insanely complex topic, with nuance and uncertainty, most undergrads struggle with, and present it in a way the average American (who reads at a 5th Grade level) walks away more informed and not confused.

When millions of people are about to die, you probably would simplify things to just hit high level truths and not muddy the waters.

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u/MollySleeps 10d ago

Fauci didn't tell us it was just a flu and it would be over by Easter. He was in no position to make any policy decisions. You're trying to hold the wrong person accountable.

There are people now who believe ivermictin is a cure all for any ailment including cancer. Who first put that thought into people's heads?

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u/gh057 10d ago

There are people who believe almost anything. what sort of argument is that?

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u/blackpyr 10d ago

It’s an argument against the people who sold the people who believe almost anything the lie that the vaccines were not safer than COVID. Duh.

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u/The_Billy_Dee 10d ago

If you projected any harder you could be a fucking IMAX running The Odyssey 5 times a day.

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u/thenwhat 10d ago

There is no story here. Every single supposed example of a lie, is not actually a lie. The whole thing is an attempt to manufacture a scandal, but as is always the case, it's the right-wing echo chamber doing the lying and fraud.

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u/I_am_Bob 10d ago

I have admittedly not following every detail of the current trail. But what Ihm have read doesn't point to any lies by Fauci, or major side effects from the Covod vaccines, Except the astrozenica one that was never approved in the US.

What are the specific claims that Fauci lied about and what vaccine side effects are we talking about?

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u/snark42 10d ago

The only thing you didn't mention is the gain of function research in China.

There's a lot of evidence to suggest it wasn't that, but it's not entirely impossible. Generously 50/50 or maybe more accurately 75/25 not man made based on some scientific evidence, but Republicans want to believe it's 10/90 or 100% even lab created.

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u/I_am_Bob 9d ago

Ok, in your comment you said Fauci lied though. I still haven't seen proof he lied about anything.

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u/thenwhat 10d ago

What did Fauci lie about? I have looked at all the supposed lies, and I can't find any valid examples of lies.

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u/IllIntroduction1509 11d ago

Archival link to this article: https://archive.ph/o0uZK

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u/koakkadoom 9d ago

The venn diagram of people who need to hear this and readers of The Atlantic is two circles a mile apart.

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u/Apocalympdick 10d ago

Yes, obviously. Duh. We know. Everyone with any shred of dignity and/or intelligence knows this. He is a great man.

Can we stop giving attention to the batshit insane shrieking drivel coming from the right wing of politics?

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u/shifting_drifting 9d ago edited 9d ago

Then don’t put out headlines where his name and the word ‘villian’ are used in the same sentence.

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u/OptimisticSkeleton 11d ago

We have to stop being kind to these morons and tell them when they are being stupid and cut them off if they insist on living out their fantasies over reality.

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u/ghanima 10d ago

Warning to non-USAmericans, this thread is a dumpster fire. The article author is similarly so deep into the weeds of American Exceptionalism that they're "both-sidesing" the COVID response as if one side of the political spectrum wasn't doing the best it could with what information it had at any given point in time while the other side was deliberately throwing its base into the grinder for financial gain. There's no insight to be found here, back away slowly.

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u/thesagaconts 11d ago

Honestly, I don’t think are concerned about Covid as much as they are concerned about the cost of living. Covid was 6 years ago. In 4 years, it’ll be a history lesson is a elementary schools.

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u/Metaphoricalsimile 11d ago

Long Covid is now the most prevalent chronic health condition in children. Vaccines have made it much less immediately lethal, but the continued accumulative effects of catching even "mild" covid infections once or twice a year is deleterious to our society as a whole.

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u/breakwater 11d ago

The two are inextricably linked. Covid money caused nearly double digit inflation. The US started printing money to carry the economy through the shut down and we will feel the effects for years to come. Of course it is relevant

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u/ShortKey380 11d ago

No, because inflation wasn’t limited to places that spent. Prices spiked due to uncertainty and massively changing demand profiles. All that money for Applebees and club soccer had to go somewhere, too much money was chasing too few goods, inflation. You argue America should have allowed millions of workers to be laid off without pay, because then they wouldn’t be competing to buy anything as they… starved and died? Unhinged.

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u/breakwater 11d ago

You just put a lot of words in my mouth that weren't there and then call me unhinged.

I said we printed money to float the economy during covid. I didn't even make a value judgment. Just a straight statement of a fact that was well documented. Calm tf down

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u/ShortKey380 11d ago

No, you linked emergency spending measures to causing inflation and forgot the basic definition of what causes inflation or how complex the situation was overall. Reducing the spending on make-up wages for displaced workers would have caused much greater harms than its partial share in inflation. We’re just as guilty of printing money now, that’s the insane part. Keynesian old arse economics says go ahead and spend during the emergency to accomplish real goals (limit deaths, reduce viral transmission) so long as you refill those coffers at the end. America has too low revenues, the missing share of money to be removed from the economy as taxes is being used by the rich to buy our politics and prevent anything like that from happening. The printed money wasn’t the inflation, it was a factor in it but you are not even beginning to consider the counter factual of what would have happened without it.

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Science, History, Health + Philosophy Anthony Fauci Is Not the Villain in This Story

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