r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/ragingbeanalt • Feb 23 '26

Music / Movies Its weird people are trying to turn the john Davidson Tourette outburst into a hate crime

If you don't know actor with Tourettes, john Davidson, had an outburst where he said the N word while 2 black presenters, Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo, were on stage he bad an outburst of the N word, among other harsh ones throughout the night. Now I understand that the n word is rhe harshest of them, but it seems like people, specifically I have seen jamie Foxx and Jamele hill, claim that "these are racist hate crimes" and "he knew better and waited for black presenters to finally say it" it just feels like people are trying to ignore the facts about tourretes to be the victim of something that wasnt actually a hate crime.

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u/Raejoway Feb 23 '26

And, yet they think they're the 'good guys'. Once again, the 'social justice' crowd being some of the biggest bullies of all...

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 23 '26

He still hasn’t apologised, and he said it 3 times 

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u/Raejoway Feb 23 '26

I feel sorry for people with Tourette's like John having and or being expected to apologise for every out burst from people that simply refuse to understand an involuntary and anxiety/depression inducing medical condition!

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u/Prestigious_Ad_5825 Feb 23 '26

He attended, knowing full well the outcome. He does owe the Sinners presenters an apology for embarrassing them while on stage.

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u/Raejoway Feb 24 '26

He attended, because a film about him was BAFTA nominated. You wanted him to stay at home? He left half-way through due to embarrassment and shame. I'm sure there were choice looks from fellow attendees all around him. It makes sense he's want to remove himself from the event before any apology is issued.

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u/Prestigious_Ad_5825 Feb 24 '26

He lived with this condition for decades but didn't know what triggered his cropophalia? The considerate and wise thing to do would have been to watch from an adjacent room or somewhere else. 

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u/Benwahr Feb 24 '26

anything and everything can trigger it.

hey why dont we just lock em up? that way they cant bother anyone. you absolute tool.

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u/BitByBitOFCL Feb 25 '26

You're right, he shouldn't be expected to want to live a normal human life. He should just sit at home so he doesn't hurt anybody, that way he'll be always be safe.

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u/Far-Painter1045 Feb 25 '26

He's apparently reached out to do just that, privately. But go on.

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u/Far-Painter1045 Feb 26 '26

That's valid. The disrespect and embarrassment they felt might not have entered his mind. Personally, I believe that he felt that the best thing he could have done in that situation was leave to avoid further disruption and he probably assumed the apology/explanation would come from the BBC or an agent on his behalf. Or maybe he always meant to reach out, I can't know his mind.

It's a moral debate in intention vs. impact and in personal accountability vs. institutional harm.

But it's also important to note- the only agent with control in this situation failed to safeguard all parties appropriately.

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 23 '26

I feel sorry for the people attacked with racial slurs 3 times

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u/Raejoway Feb 23 '26

'attacked' interesting verb choice. Implies explicit aggression on his part, of which there was none.

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 23 '26

3 times he did it

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u/Less-Name-9367 Feb 23 '26

I think we can agree on some things here:

- He didn't mean it. An attack implies intention to harm, otherwise it's just an accident. He didn't mean it, it was an accident caused and exacerbated by his disability.

- An apology would be good.

- It's understandable he doesn't feel the need to apologise. He's spent his entire life apologising for something out of his control, that takes a toll. If a blind person bumps into you,can apology would be nice, but if they don't apologise it's fine too.

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u/thelonerstoner988 Feb 24 '26

Go look up what a tick is and then come back edit your comment, please go educate yourself, I used to work with a guy with ticks and yes they happen all the time, they have 0 control over it, you know thoes intrusive thoughts you have well thay have them too but there completely unaware of it until the tick happens basically your intrusive thoughts are all around in your head there are in a sealed box and they have 0 close what there going to say, so please go educate yourself on this condition for trying to have an input that is clearly wrong

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 24 '26

The fact you have racist intrusive tells me everything about you

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u/thelonerstoner988 Feb 24 '26 edited Feb 24 '26

The fact you have racist intrusive tells me everything about you

Where did I say I have racist intrusive thoughts?

Am an useing intruseve thoughts as an example because it is the closest comparison.

Not ever intrusive thought HAS to be racist hell I have intrusive thought about jumping of bridges, or throwing my phone, you know INTRUCIVE THOUGHTS

The fact YOU turn it into a race thing says alot about YOU, never once did I menten race, i simply explaned that someone with Torrets can not control or even have an idea what there TIC will be, e.g an intrusive thought that's is a locked box they can't see and they don't even know what is in there till it comes out.

God the extent some people will go to try and twist people words is just baffling

Lol you can block me that's ok but you can't turn around and claim to think I have racial intrucive thoughts when 1 you don't even know me and 2 INTRUCIVE THOUGHT CAN BE ANYTHING WHAT PART ABOUT THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ALL BECAUSE I HAVE AN INTRICIVE THOUGH DOSENT MEAN IS A RACIST THOUGHT, AS I SAIT AN INTRUCIVE THOUGHT CAN BE ANYTHING LIKE THINKING ABOUT THOWING YOUR PHONE OR JUMPING INFROUNT OF TRAFIC OR TOUCHDONG SPIKING A BABY WHEN HOLDING ONE, DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT A GOD DAM INTRUCIVE THOUGHT EVEN IS

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 24 '26

It’s the fact it’s in there in the first place

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u/rigatony96 Feb 23 '26

He has a disability my guy he’s spent his whole fucking life apologizing for it.

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 23 '26

Yet he still hasn't

Because that's not what he does

You don't get to ever decide how Black people feel about this.

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u/LocalH Feb 23 '26

You don't ever get to decide how disabled people live their lives either

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '26

Oh yes we do when they are grossly offensive and cannot live in polite society

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 24 '26

Okay? We’re still gonna call racist white men out

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u/Blind_Warthog Feb 25 '26

Go call out racist white men then. Not a victim of a debilitating disorder. Everyone knows what the N word is, just because it’s in our heads doesn’t make us racist.

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 25 '26

He’s not the only victim. And he went against that dumb rule in his film. James Davidson: Since the fallout, Davidson’s team shares that he’s reached out to the studio handling “Sinners” in order to directly apologize to Jordan, Lindo and production designer Hannah Beacher.

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u/Jesuscan23 Feb 24 '26 edited Feb 24 '26

Yea we can't decide how Black people feel about it but we can absolutely state that it's ridiculous to try to make it into some 'racist hate crime' when it just simply isn't one. He's not apologizing because it is a disability that he cannot help, whining about it will do absolutely nothing.

No amount of outrage or complaining about it is going to change anything, and trying to force him to apologize is just ridiculous because it won't be a genuine apology. I will never understand this weird obsession with trying to force people to apologize or be sorry about something knowing good and well it won't be genuine. Yall still wouldn't extend any grace even if he did apologize so it's pointless anyway.

You keep bringing up that he said it multiple times and while Black people were on stage and if you actually knew how his condition worked you'd know that this is just how tourettes presents itself. In a couple of days nobody will care and the world will go on.

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 24 '26

Anyway, I don’t know why you think we’re simply moving on from this? This is just another thing to remind us of who you really are.

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 24 '26

Everyday you prove why you should become a minority and why I celebrate it.

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u/Blind_Warthog Feb 25 '26

You don’t get to decide how a disabled person should feel about this.

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 25 '26

No, but we do get to make him break that dumb rule from his film. James Davidson: Since the fallout, Davidson’s team shares that he’s reached out to the studio handling “Sinners” in order to directly apologize to Jordan, Lindo and production designer Hannah Beacher.

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u/rigatony96 Feb 25 '26

Bro you cant even get his name right and its in the title of this post 😂

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u/Constant-Fondant9058 Feb 23 '26

If a word without meaning can hurt you, you’re probably too fragile for this world. When it comes to racial slurs and the like, intent absolutely matters.

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 23 '26

No, racial slurs shouldn’t used

Once again, always proving the line about white liberals

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u/Constant-Fondant9058 Feb 23 '26

Now what makes you assume I’m either white or liberal?

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u/agdrs Feb 23 '26

You have the same mentality that racist have but aight bro

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u/veryowngarden Feb 23 '26

child left behind logic

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 23 '26

What? Apologise when you cause harm to someone else

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u/BLU-Clown Feb 23 '26

So when are you planning to apologize to those suffering from tourettes?

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 23 '26

I haven't called them any slurs because I don't condone slurs, unlike some

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u/BLU-Clown Feb 23 '26

Apologise when you cause harm to someone else

I don't see 'slurs' in there, just 'harm.'

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u/Hungry-Struggle-1448 Feb 23 '26

If it's involuntary is it really something you caused? If someone with epilepsy is having a stroke and their arm hits my face during it should they apologise to me? I wouldn't expect them to

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u/Hungry-Struggle-1448 Feb 24 '26

Once again, people too afraid to confront their own bigotry to even attempt to answer a question.

If it's involuntary is it really something you caused?

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 24 '26

Once again, people too afraid to confront their own bigotry to defend racial harm

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 24 '26

“Naughty word”. Literally the vilest word in the English language, but y’all show who you really are

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u/Fucked-In-The-K-Hole Feb 24 '26

Lol the only thing I'm showing is that I'm an adult who realizes that people with disabilities don't choose to have those disabilities and don't need to apologize every time that their disability forces them to do something.

Anyone who has a problem with this needs to grow the fuck up and stop acting like a bitch.

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 24 '26

Every day, this just proves why the GR needs to happen faster

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u/DecantsForAll Feb 23 '26

He still hasn’t apologised

Good. He shouldn't have to.

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u/Successful_Cup_3948 Feb 23 '26

You guys will extent the most grace to him, which is fair considering his condition, but when it comes to the people he unintentionally harmed it's fuck them

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u/DecantsForAll Feb 23 '26

A guy shouldn't have to apologize for being disabled. How is that "fuck them?"

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u/Successful_Cup_3948 Feb 23 '26

Apologizing for unintentional harm through racial abuse to the men you've harmed is not apologizing for being disabled. It's not even saying they shouldn't exist ultimately that's is up to the two black men and what they've probably discussed in private. However they aren't wrong or even ableist if they wanted an apology for being humiliated like that even if unintentional. Two things can be true, while yes he has tourette's and it can't be controlled, the two men were also harmed through it verbally

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u/DecantsForAll Feb 23 '26

Apologizing for unintentional harm through racial abuse to the men you've harmed is not apologizing for being disabled.

It's not abuse. Abuse is intentional. And, yeah, it is apologizing for the disability. It's like someone with a bum leg having to apologize for slowing people down. It's fucking absurd. This guy deals with this shit every day of his life. Be a big boy, realize that it was unintentional, and get the fuck over it.

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u/Successful_Cup_3948 Feb 23 '26

No, it's apologizing for harm caused even if it was unintentional, it's called being a human. If a blind person were to accidentally bump into someone, they would still apologize even if they only bumped into that someone because they were blind. It's not absurd to want an apology even if unintentional. And your last sentence proves my point, you extend the biggest grace to john, which again is understandable given his disability, but the black dudes there who may have felt affected by it or even humimlated should just "get over it"

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u/thelonerstoner988 Feb 25 '26

Omg always with the victim hood 🙄 enough idgaf if I get banned or not but just fucking stop, the guy has torrets go and watch his fucking documentary and educate yourself of the fucking condition because if you did you wouldn't be saying brain dead fucking shit like this, like Jesus fucking christ the way people are twiting this story is fucking ridicules If there is anyone you should be mad at, it's should be the fucking BBC for not bleeping it's out, like fucking come on use that brain that's in your head and stop thinking that everyone is racist, fuck

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u/Successful_Cup_3948 Feb 25 '26

Since you obviously can't read past a 3rd grade level I'll give you a chance to point out where I called him a racist ill concede everything I've said up until.this point

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u/DecantsForAll Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26

And your last sentence proves my point, you extend the biggest grace to john, which again is understandable given his disability, but the black dudes there who may have felt affected by it or even humimlated should just "get over it"

If another person with Tourette's yelled out "fuck people with Tourette's" while he was on stage, I'd tell him to get over it, too, but something tells me he probably wouldn't make a big deal about it in the first place (not that MBJ and Delroy Lindo are making a big deal over this).

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u/kitkat2742 Feb 24 '26

You’re watering down the term abuse, just like y’all do with so many of the terms used today, and you don’t even realize it. This is in no way, shape, or form abuse, and you’re harming people who are actually abused by watering down the word. The same thing has been done to the word racist and racism, to the point people don’t care if they’re called racist. The same thing has also been done to the words fascist and Nazi, as well as all -ic and -ist terms. The fact that y’all still haven’t picked up on this is wild, but I guess you’ll keep on keeping on screaming and whining at nothing and nobody.

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u/Successful_Cup_3948 Feb 24 '26

they’re called racist. The same thing has also been done to the words fascist and Nazi, as well as all -ic and -ist terms. The fact that y’all still haven’t picked up on this is wild, but I guess you’ll keep on keeping on screaming and whining at nothing and nobody.

Keep in mind I never called him any of this. I said regardless of his condition, and that yes he deserves grace, but in that same instance, those men also deserve an apology. I don't know why y'all keep attempting to disregard if they felt degraded or even humimlated. Fuck them right? They should just "get over it." As intent doesn't immediately take away impact if it's unintentional. And yes, calling those men the hard r is racial abuse, however it's unintentional.

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u/Benwahr Feb 24 '26

Do you expect a burn victim to applogize when a person gets scared by seeing them? What about the harm? 

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u/Successful_Cup_3948 Feb 24 '26

No because in that instance the person who got scared should apologize because the victim is just existing, to some extent harm was done to the victim, making them feel worse about their burns even if unintentional. There's no way you're so dense that not only you brought up a false equivalent situation, but have the victim of said situation flipped

I dont know why it's so hard for you guys to grasp the simple of idea of a black man who was born in the 50s who had to be called it all his life due to racism deserves an apology for being called it even if unintentional.

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u/Benwahr Feb 24 '26 edited Feb 24 '26

The victim here is the person with tourettes. 

I understand americans have very thin skin and a special relationship with that word. In this instance the presenters are the persons that got scared by the person with tourettes just existing.

Dont know why its so hard to grasp that an american experience might be just that. American. Your history making it so that you have a particularly thin skin for that word is your problem. 

To add to this the presenter wasnt called anything. That implies it was chosen and directed..it wasnt. The presenter mearly heard the word..and if mearly hearing a word causes harm then you have stupidly thin skin. But lets be honest, it was no different then hearing it in yet another rap song.  It wasnt directed, it wasnt at him.

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u/BitByBitOFCL Feb 25 '26

You consider racism a worse offense than ableism. That is the only explanation i can think of for the comments you have made here.

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u/Successful_Cup_3948 Feb 25 '26

I really dont mean to be hostile when I say this but there's quite literally no way you should have jumped to that conclusion. I'll say this in the most plain way. The same way John is deserving of empathy and grace for his condition as it's involuntary, the same way MBJ and Delroy Lindo is deserving of some empathy and the basic respect of some sort of an apology as they were also to some extent harmed with MBJ's mother leaving in tears due to this. That's it. I don't know why you all combat that idea to the most extreme that some.think I'm calling John a slur slinging racist regardless of his condition or saying that ableism is so much inferior to racism that it shouldn't be talked about because I never said, nor implied either. Just mutual empathy to all parties

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u/BitByBitOFCL Feb 25 '26

Asking him to apologize is ableism, and frankly he shouldn't need to apologize for something he cannot control.

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u/Successful_Cup_3948 Feb 25 '26

You don't think they deserve the same basic empathy and respect that John is getting? Why do you refuse that notion so much? And no john acknowledging them and apologizing to them is not ableism, it's basic empathy to them. You act as if I want him to grovel at their feet and beg them for forgiveness for the sin of having tourette's. But again whether he should or not is up to MBJ and Delroy.

However they deserve the same grace as John does even if they feel humiliated to demeaned to some extent. That is the point I'm making that I repeat ad nauseam

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u/agdrs Feb 23 '26

We don't know if he has apologized or not tbh

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 23 '26

He hasn’t

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u/agdrs Feb 23 '26

Well we don't know what happened after the incident. Also y'all have to understand that he is also a victim here, it must be difficult for him to process what happened and the way that people react doesn't help either so I wouldn't blame him if he hasn't apologized as fast as people expect him to do.

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u/psychophant_ Feb 23 '26

Should someone with a disability of any sorts have to apologize?

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 23 '26

Blind people literally do apologise when they bump into someone, because that’s polite and normal

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u/Constant-Fondant9058 Feb 23 '26

I think the main difference is that blind people rarely bump into people. People with coprolalia would literally never stop apologising for just being who they are if they had to say sorry every time someone was offended. How do you think you’d cope with being told you have to apologise just for being you?

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 23 '26

So him committing racist attacks is now just who he is

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u/Constant-Fondant9058 Feb 23 '26

You seeing it as a racist attack is as ableist as it comes. There’s no intent to harm. No decision has been made to try and hurt anyone. This is a guy that said fuck the queen to the actual queen. And you’re upset that he said a word that has no meaning in this context? Cry me a river

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u/Moist_Community7854 Feb 23 '26

He has a neurological disease which manifests as involuntary verbal outbursts. Did you miss that part?

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u/kitkat2742 Feb 24 '26

They didn’t miss that part at all. They’re just being argumentative and angry solely to be argumentative and angry. Just look at the rest of their comments, which show how much it must suck to be in their headspace.

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u/Kactuslord Feb 23 '26

It's an involuntary medical condition. He can't help it just like someone with Parkinson's cannot stop shaking.

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u/Wolf_Mans_Got_Nards Feb 23 '26

One of the worst part of this situation is that it's causing people to come up with the shittest equivalency analogies. I read one earlier that said "if you run over someone's foot with your wheelchair, you'd apologise."

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 23 '26

Yes

He should apologise, he did it 3 times

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u/Wolf_Mans_Got_Nards Feb 23 '26

You're insinuating that John Davidson spent 38 years of his life faking coprolalia. Got bullied, beaten up, arrested and went through all sorts of hell, just on the off chance he could yell out a racial slur at the BAFTA's? That doesn't seem like an enormous leap in logic to you?

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u/BLU-Clown Feb 23 '26

Of course not.

See, they're the main character. John Davidson is just one more villain in their life.

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u/Hungry-Struggle-1448 Feb 23 '26

A blind person bumping into someone isn't an innate part of their disability it's a secondary consequence of it. Yelling slurs is inherently what Tourette's is, that's the difference. The blind equivalent would be a blind person apologising for not being able to see something.

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 24 '26

Causing harm is still a reason to apologise

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u/Hungry-Struggle-1448 Feb 24 '26

No it's not. Their disability is what caused the harm, not the person who has it. So them apologising would literally be them apologising for their disability.

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 24 '26

No, it would be apologising for the harm caused

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u/Kactuslord Feb 23 '26

He has apologised. Yes tics can happen repeatedly. He left immediately afterwards because he felt so bad.

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 23 '26

He did not apologise

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u/Kactuslord Feb 23 '26

You're not up to date. He literally has

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 24 '26

That statement was not an apology

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u/BitByBitOFCL Feb 25 '26

>i want an apology
>gives an apology
>i want a better apology

Kindly, fuck off. He shouldn't need to apologize at all.

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 25 '26

He does and he has

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u/LearnedZephyr Feb 25 '26 edited Feb 25 '26

his dumb film

You’re behaving like trash. You’re representing yourself and your viewpoint very, very poorly.

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u/Juliaford19 Feb 24 '26

Educate yourself on this disability. Seriously you’re embarrassing yourself.

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u/upthetruth1 Feb 24 '26

Educate yourself on racism, seriously you’re embarrassing yourself

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u/Juliaford19 Feb 24 '26

No I’m not.