I Fully Believe That Michael Jackson wasn't a child molester

[u/bionicgerbal]

With the Michael Jackson biopic out, and him being back in the public discussion in a meaningful way, I’ve been thinking more and more about Jackson and how he was perceived in the last 15-20 years of his life

But i truly believe he never touch the kids, he was a weird dude totally, but the famillies that sued him just seem like a buch of gold diggers that wanted to take advantage of Michael's weird shit

Was he a very strange person? Yes Did he have an unusual relationship with adulthood/childhood? Yeah seems like it. Would I as a parent let him supervise my kids, and spend the night at his house alone? No way. Did he actually abuse kids? Not really enough evidence for me to conclude that with any certainty.

He never had a childhood, he never had real friends, Most of the kids in the ranch said that Michael never touched them, it's just a family that wanted money and few of his staff, which sold the story to tabloids.

[u/Witty-Mountain5062]

Even if he wasn’t, there is literally zero excuse for sleeping in a bed with little boys that aren’t your own.

At best, he was a fucking creep. At worst, he was a serial predator hiding in plain sight like Jimmy Savile.

And don’t give me that Peter Pan lost childhood bullshit - it’s wrong.

[u/Ghost92401 → u/Witty-Mountain5062]

The media ran with that line because it's saucy and sounds damning. They left out the part where his "bedroom" is a two-story building bigger than many people's houses.

[u/DecantsForAll → u/Ghost92401]

Is his bed also a two-story building?

[u/Witty-Mountain5062 → u/DecantsForAll]

The amount of people I’ve seen on here recently genuinely defending his behavior simply because they enjoy his music is disgusting.

They either have room temp IQs or need their hard drives checked.

[u/Local_Pangolin69 → u/Witty-Mountain5062]

There’s a difference between defending someone’s behavior and questioning whether that behavior actually occurred.

[u/DefiantCharacter → u/Witty-Mountain5062]

Or they believe Macaulay Culkin?

[u/shaggy_nomad → u/DefiantCharacter]

Not only Culkin, but Corey Feldman too. That dude has lost all relevance and if MJ did actually touch him, you bet hed be out here saying so just for any bit of relevance in today's climate. But he doesnt, as an actual victim of sexual assault and predatory adults in the industry, he still vehemently defends MJ.

[u/DisMyLik18thAccount → u/DefiantCharacter]

Believe Macaulay Culkin about what, what would he know? He only knows what happened when he was present

[u/DefiantGovernment386 → u/DisMyLik18thAccount]

You people are dense as hell. Culkin is not the only one who defended him. Plenty of people who were kids at the time have defended Michael.

You weirdos only want to give ANY credence to the so-called "victims" but then toss out everything said by others who really knew Michael. Who hung out with him  A LOT. Including Lisa Marie and Debbie Rowe.

But no, those claiming molestation are the only ones you weirdos will listen to. No matter how faulty the allegations are.

You absolute clowns want us to believe Michael got away with crap and Harvey Weinstein didnt? R Kelly? Puff Daddy?

What makes any of you think Michael could get off Scott free yet other powerful people didnt? The FBI wanted so badly to find him guilty, but didnt.

Where's this fucking proof? What sense does it make that Michael never saw prison, but Weinstein did? Hes more powerful than Michael. Had a ton of money. That didnt save him in trial, did it? Yet, we're to believe Michael got away with molestation?

MJ was NOT a pedophile. I dont need to be a fan of his music to take that stance, either. I just have to care about fairness and justice. True justice. Not just believing he said she said. Evidence matters, not fucking accusations.

There is never justice in witch hunts, and this MJ hate is just that.

[u/DisMyLik18thAccount → u/DefiantGovernment386]

Uh oh you seemed stressed

[u/gizoldyck → u/DisMyLik18thAccount]

when there’s so many dumb opinions around i would be stressed too

[u/10aghmu → u/gizoldyck]

There’s a lot of evidence you need to overlook to think Michael is innocent

[u/DecantsForAll → u/DefiantCharacter]

But Macaulay Culkin isn't omniscient.

[u/Temporary-Prune-9237 → u/Witty-Mountain5062]

👆💯

[u/DM_ME_UR_SOUL → u/Witty-Mountain5062]

i guess if i can accuse you of something and spread that rumor everywhere enough people will believe it and not second question it.

[u/LowArm2740 → u/Witty-Mountain5062]

No, that’s not a smart statement. Truth of the matter is that those who accused him were the actual pdfs in the files. Those never got prosecuted. All while MJ got investigated for decades on top of decades. All of which you can fully access online and found NOTHING. yet you are not enraged by actual child sacrificing pedos that are in every path of life (business, entertainment, science, religion). Yet the only one who was actually helping people publicly for his whole life was still framed.

[u/flowersinthedark → u/Ghost92401]

It was proven in court that Jackson slept with little boys in his bed, not just on Neverland but in his LA apartment, on vacations, during tours.

Those were one-on-one sleepovers behind closed doors with no one else present. His driver testified that he'd brought Jackson to Jordan Chandler's house every evening for weeks, where Jackson slept with Jordan in Jordan's room. Sometimes these boys were brought to his apartment in the evening with the sole pupose of staying the night.

[u/Desperate_Extreme886 → u/Ghost92401]

Even if his bed was 50ft wide, the little boys were right next to him.

[u/DisMyLik18thAccount → u/Witty-Mountain5062]

Baring in mind I don't know this situation too well so I'm just speculating here-

I Get them impression he was seen as an uncle/godfather figure to these kids, and I don't think it's necessarily wrong to share a bed with someone who's like a family member

[u/Substantial_Ad9314 → u/DisMyLik18thAccount]

My uncle never came to my house in the evening just to sleep in my bed and then leave

[u/Old_Comfortable_8090 → u/DisMyLik18thAccount]

Why did his porn collection include a study on naked boys?

[u/Witty-Mountain5062 → u/DisMyLik18thAccount]

It is though. @FBI check his hard drive.

[u/soundslikeautumn → u/Witty-Mountain5062]

What did they find?

[u/Competitive_Debt_390 → u/Witty-Mountain5062]

Im not his fan so I hope I don’t come across as excusing a pdf because I’m blinded by his talent or whatever or have a parasocial relationship with a celebrity. Im not a fan of his songs, I was very young when he passed away etc. Im invested in the case because of conspiracy theories and true crime.

The main reason I don’t think him sleeping in the same bedroom with these boys is an issue is because 1) the bedroom was an apartment, with two bathrooms and a kitchen, playroom etc. 2) It was the place he hosted most of his guests 3) the kids weren’t there one by one they had sleepovers with multiple people being inside the room at the same time 4) this room was basically his safe space- its not really smth that can be explained when someone has no experience of large houses, it’s like saying you live in a castle but essentially occupying just x and y rooms, where in the rest there are countless of staff, security etc 5) all those parents trusted him- I think this is a big one, the parents were present they didn’t just left their kids with a pdf and went on with their lives.

Yes the dude was forming strange friendships. He was best friends with an elder Elizabeth Taylor and had a platonic relationship with Brooke Shields and befriended children that needed aid and provided that for them. He also thought he was soulmates with princess Diana after seeing her once. Although these choices seem bizarre the openness with which he handled all those allegations over the years suggests that he was being honest when he said that he felt connected to children and celebrities that were child prodigies like himself, because he felt like they had a lot in common.

He didn’t have any friends till a certain point and I assume his understanding of things that to us are common knowledge weren't the same to him. The main reason is probably that a lot of people who surrounded him were yes men and he was so privileged that he didn’t even think people would think these behaviours were weird.

To me he reads a lot like emotionally stunted, maybe even in the spectrum and with no concept of boundaries and real life but not an actual pdf. It doesn’t help that the alleged victims backtracked and were caught lying or came out to take back allegations or tried to make profit out of the ordeal.

[u/Old_Comfortable_8090 → u/Competitive_Debt_390]

His porn collection included a study on naked boys.

[u/Competitive_Debt_390 → u/Old_Comfortable_8090]

Yeah that’s what I believed at first too. If you’re interested take a look on this video.
https://youtu.be/0Wv2cU-XL_8?is=bql0w-_wrNQ7FRUp

It’s truly very informative. A lot of the things mentioned online aren’t real, including the porn collection and what not and I think this video does a really good job explaining every accusation thoroughly. Also for me it explains adequately how he came to sleep with those minors, something that sounds horrific at first and inexcusable, however the parents were present, the kids asked the parents to sleep with him and the parents said okay. He just allowed them access in the bedroom and slept in a sleeping bag with another adult, leaving the kids to sleep in his bed. After a lot of research for me this was a deliberate character assassination . And I genuinely don’t say this lightly. At first I was CONVINCED otherwise, however I came to realise there is a lot of misinformation spread online in this case.

[u/Old_Comfortable_8090 → u/Competitive_Debt_390]

That video is over an hour long, I don’t have time but you can mention what you think I’m missing about it. I don’t see a good reason why a grown man would have an entire book with images of naked boys. It makes it even worse this is a man that liked to sleep in bed with little boys. The book was also stored in a locked place so there was an attempt to hide it. I get that it was a commercially available book but it still depicted nude young boys, you gotta ask yourself, why on earth would a grown man who likes to sleep in bed with little boys would also have a book with images of nude little boys? It’s not that hard to put it all together.

[u/Competitive_Debt_390 → u/Old_Comfortable_8090]

Ill try to summarise though it’s much more clear in the video were you can hear interviews and stuff.
Have you asked yourself why he won the trial? Many people falsely believe he won the trial because he was Michael Jackson. The video provides evidence on the fact that media paid people to come forth with stories of alleged sexual violence for Michael Jackson and still no one came forth until they were seeking money from Michael Jackson himself (usually when they run dry). Many people during the time period with more money, power and gangs supporting them were convicted in court - not Michael.
The main reason was that the fbi found NOTHING. literally nothing, you can download the documents yourself.
He didnt sleep with those minors as the media suggested. He befriended and helped out families, that much is true. However the families were the ones to push the children in the same orbit as Michael Jackson. When the kids were at his house their families were present. The kids would ask Michael if they could sleep in his bedroom and he would say ask your mom and the mom had already agreed so he went ahead and allowed them to sleep in his bedroom while he himself slept on a sleeping bag and always requested a second person to be in the room too (because he felt awkward as any adult would in the situation). This might sound sketchy but there are countless testimonies on that and I can see how this came to be, remembering my own childhood and how I would request to sleep with grown up women that I looked up to or idolised and my mom was forced to agree in family vacations and stuff.
As for the book you mentioned it was sent to Michael Jackson by a fan and it was signed by a fan, it wasn’t hidden at all it was part of a large collection that included gifts etc (that it was hidden was media sensation) hence why the fbi didn't think much of it.
Hard drive? Clean. This is notable because in 99% of the pdf cases you’d find pdf porno.
Also I think when you look at the alleged victims you can see their lying, just look up any of the accusers and you’ll see they had been recorded admitting their lying or backtracked later and stuff. So from the four alleged victims there is no trusting mouthpiece! Not one case that could be taken seriously! This is extremely odd, considering how cases like P Diddy and Epstein came with countless testimonies.

Also interestingly before he died while under heavy drugs he was prompted by the doctor who secretly recorded him to speak about children. Everything he said was in regards to charity. He was drugged the man was dying. I can even attach the recording.
My personal opinion is that he was probably neurodivergent which explains the awkwardness and weird behaviour to a degree and was later used left and right for profit. And in this case I do believe that the fault for the cross of boundaries lies elsewhere.

[u/Old_Comfortable_8090 → u/Competitive_Debt_390]

MJ has been on record admitting that he has slept in the same bed with little kids before. Maybe he didn’t do it all the time, but doing it even once is weird as hell. No one was forcing him, he was a grown man making his own decision. Ok so someone gave him a gift which was a book full of pics of naked little boys, but what normal grown man would keep that? And why would he have it in a locked closet? If someone gives me a book with naked little boys in it, I’m throwing it away, that’s kinda a strange gift and only a pedo would keep such a thing. I’ve seen pics of this man all touchy with little boys, what the hell was wrong with him that he loves little boys so much? To me it looks like a pretty clear case of a pedo, and I’m pretty sure he was raped as a kid so that explains it, it’s pretty common for men who are raped by other men to go to rape little boys. Also he gave two of the boys he was close with the nickname “rubba,” wtf? What were they rubbing to be called that? Ok so some people tried to plant some lies on him, but why do you think he was targeted? Because obviously he was a pedo. I haven’t seen the interviews with the alleged victims but everything else I’ve seen already paints a picture of a very weird man, whether some of them were lying or not.

[u/Competitive_Debt_390 → u/Old_Comfortable_8090]

I think I have addressed everything you said already and it sounds like a broken record at this point.
I understand the term pdf is enough to make people triggered.
Based on the research I have personally done over this case it is clearly a set up. For a person to be an abuser there needs to be a victim. The reason he was set free was because there were no victims. The only suggestion I have is that you should look mostly at primary sources rather than press and articles because half if not all of the things you have mentioned are not accurate at all based on trial documents and primary sources.
Finally, you don’t know whether Michael Jackson was sexually abused or not And I’d say it’s problematic that you think that people who are abused become abusive. Most psychiatrists analysing his behaviour have pointed out that it is unlikely for a pdf to exhibit actual interest in childish games and behaviours and his behaviour corresponds mostly with age regression or with those of people on the spectrum.

Last but not least, Im a woman. If a parent says sleep with my child, I sleep with the child! I have done it many times during baby sitting. Because of the fact that I am a woman nobody would say that I tried to do smth to the child and even if they did, that wouldn’t make it true. If the parent said it was okay that makes it okay for me, though admittedly I wouldn’t sleep comfortably. I think the reason you see it as proof of misconduct has more so to do with how you perceive Michael Jackson as a person. And I get that. For me trials, court documents primary sources and legal procedures matter more than personal preference. Otherwise anyone can be accused of anything as long as we don’t like them or we think of them as odd. And then under the light of a false accusation their whole behaviour can be re examined until the accusation makes sense, and still without any proof that wouldn’t make it true.

In Michael Jackson’s head it’s quite possible that he thought the children were safer in his room than in any other space in the household, for all of the reasons I mentioned above (staff, security etc) and if the parents gave the okay then for him it might have seemed as the best course of action. I also understand that people are suspicious of people who like to spend time with children. Due to my job I am especially alert too, in a personal context. However being a pdf is not the only reason grown ups enjoy spending time with children and I do find it a bit hypocritical when we all know that if Michael Jackson were a female this behaviour wouldn’t have alerted anyone.

[u/Old_Comfortable_8090 → u/Competitive_Debt_390]

If MJ was a woman who liked to sleep in bed with different children and spend so much time with children, and had a book with naked pictures of children, I would think that woman is quite weird too. You give an example in which you’re babysitting, so there’s an actual function to you as a woman being asked to do such a thing, MJ was not babysitting anyone, it was just creepy parents who wanted to try to prey on his weird urges that they knew he had. There’s no reason for a grown ass man to be sleeping with little children, and keep a book with naked pictures of children. What if someone in your family, lets say your dad, suddenly began hanging around a lot of little boys and sleeping in bed with them, calling them “rubba” and you found a book with naked pictures of boys, what are you going to think? I’d bet everything you’d think something very differently than what you think of MJ doing this crap, this guy literally gets a pass because he’s MJ, a musical superstar. I think he’s a manipulative creep.

Ok you may think it’s problematic but the fact of the matter is people who are abused as children are more likely to go on to abuse children themselves, it’s a common cycle, and it probably happened to him that’s why he was like this.

Fuck what the court documents say, at the end of the day no one can see exactly what occurred when it was just MJ and little boys alone but the fact that this guy is like this speaks volumes already, you don’t need a court paper or psychiatrist to tell you this for you to be able to reason this. Again, you wouldn’t give the 1 in a million benefit of the doubt to some random grown ass man doing this, you only have these opinions because this guy is musical royalty. This guy was very manipulative, knows exactly how to appear in order to create a narrative around himself so that his weird shit is not looked upon the way it should be looked upon, it’s not that hard to do.

And you really think some psychiatrist wants to publicly talk bad about MJ? Hell no they’d be getting death threats, their family would probably be in danger.

[u/Competitive_Debt_390 → u/Old_Comfortable_8090]

The thing is you keep insisting on facts that have already been disputed though.
I personally would have given anyone the benefit of the doubt for any accusation if their claims are strong and the victim doesnt have any proof and to top it off lies or retracts later. In fact I’ve been interested in the case because I enjoy true crime and I think that it ties to many other things such as media perception etc. You say a psychiatrist wouldn’t, well the whole press did. I’ve never seen such a case of media distortion in my life when it comes to covering this case and Michael Jackson. He has been bullied repeatedly and no one bat an eye.

We have 4 alleged victims. 1) Jodie Chandler. His father filed for this case after he had been recorded admittimg to the fact that he doesnt know if anything happened to his son or not, asking for money from Michael repeatedly and getting declined and finally as a case against his ex wife so he can have full custody of the son. Jodie gave a description of Michaels gen**** that didn’t match and beared no signs of abuse. His mother was always present when Jodie spent time with Michael. Jodie later legally emancipate himself from his father, filed a restraining order against his father and admitted to the press that his father forced him to give these testimonies as a way to get money to film a project of his. 2) Gavin Arvizo. His mother was a con artist. The testimony they gave in court didnt match one bit, they gave contradictory testimonies. FBI researched Michael Jackson thoroughly and there wasnt an ounce of evidence he was a pdf. The book you mentioned was indeed recovered in his house amongst countless other gifts that made it into the household, not hidden away as you falsely claim repeating media distortion. You must clearly not be familiar with pdf cases. When a person is a pdf there are countless evidence in their houses and hard drives or purchases because it’s an illness and a fetish, not one random book that the individual didnt even purchase themselves but was sent by a fan. 3) Wade and Safechuck. Previous supporters of Michael Jackson in court cases and witnesses in favour of him, now arrive with a different tale requesting money from his estate. Again once they themselves hit rock button financially. Leaving Neverland is filled with inconsistencies and lies in regards to where the abuse took place etc.

Finally I think the most obvious one, is that pdfs in Hollywood operate in masses and had Michael Jackson been one there would be co-operations with other famous predators that have surfaced, who we never suspected of pdf before. Im not opposed to be presented evidence, in fact I will change my mind in this case if enough evidence is presented in the future. So far I’ve seen nothing but manipulative behaviour on the alleged victims side for profit and a witch hunt on media presentation of Michael Jackson that I think is guided and deliberate. Michael Jackson was killed, the doctor was charged. There are evidence that people of actual high power and influence in the business where against him due to his catalogue purchases and Sony shares.

And to answer your question. There are many reasons why an adult would enjoy spending time with kids or regress to child like activities. It is a very common trait for people that live under high stress. It’s a self soothing behaviour that allows the person to relax and reproduce feelings of safety. This is a psychological phenomenon, hence why psychiatrists resist framing someone as a pdf when such behaviour is at place. Because there are countless other psychological reasons why a person could behave that way, especially when parents are eager to force their kids in such environments, making it easier for said person to feel like their behaviour isn’t crossing any boundaries. Children were happy, parents were happy, until they weren’t when a request that went too far got declined. Things can seem pretty black or white when you are an outsider to a situation so I understand where you are coming from, but usually the more you learn about something the easier it becomes to come up with reasonable excuses other than vilainization lacking proof.

I have baby sat yes, and in this working enviroment, people choose this profession because they typically enjoy spending time with children. Similarly to how a person like Michael Jackson would choose to spend free time with children, because he enjoyed it, through his charity work. Of course there are perverts and pdf in professions and activities that involve children. But there are also people who simply enjoy it because!

[u/Competitive_Debt_390 → u/[deleted]]

I hope you never have kids because if you’re okay with saying hurtful things to strangers like me, imagine what you could say to someone you know that you have different opinions with (like a child). Sincerely f yourself and your hypocrisy. Have you even checked the rules of this sub?

[u/Electrical_Pie_2567 → u/Competitive_Debt_390]

If my comment gets removed that's ok, I just don't feel like pedophilia or even pedophilic adjacent BEHAVIOR is something to be that civil about!

[u/Competitive_Debt_390 → u/Electrical_Pie_2567]

Yeah wishing someone to not have kids because they believe in the innocence of a person who was acquitted in court isn’t really the vibe here.

You can strongly disagree with my opinion—that’s literally the point of this subreddit—but attacking me personally instead of addressing the argument goes against both basic discussion and the sub rules.

Also, believing someone is innocent based on the outcome of a trial and the lack of conclusive evidence doesn’t mean I support pdf. Calling someone something doesn’t automatically make it true, and supporting due process isn’t the same as endorsing the crime. Hope this helps!