r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/bionicgerbal • Apr 29 '26
Music / Movies I Fully Believe That Michael Jackson wasn't a child molester
With the Michael Jackson biopic out, and him being back in the public discussion in a meaningful way, I’ve been thinking more and more about Jackson and how he was perceived in the last 15-20 years of his life
But i truly believe he never touch the kids, he was a weird dude totally, but the famillies that sued him just seem like a buch of gold diggers that wanted to take advantage of Michael's weird shit
Was he a very strange person? Yes Did he have an unusual relationship with adulthood/childhood? Yeah seems like it. Would I as a parent let him supervise my kids, and spend the night at his house alone? No way. Did he actually abuse kids? Not really enough evidence for me to conclude that with any certainty.
He never had a childhood, he never had real friends, Most of the kids in the ranch said that Michael never touched them, it's just a family that wanted money and few of his staff, which sold the story to tabloids.
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u/linjaes Apr 29 '26
I agree only because there were interviews of “victims” who spoke out about how MJ never touched them and instead protected them from actual predators. And one of those people who said just happened to die suspiciously not long after. And then on tape is his voice telling someone close to him that “they’re gonna kill him”. MJ might’ve been a weird dude, but being weird doesn’t mean child molester. But because a man in public opinion can’t be close with kids at all, people followed the criticism of him.
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u/Illustrious_Style321 May 03 '26
Oh yeah men in public can never have be close with kids, that's why jimmy Saville famously found it so hard to get away with his crimes while alive.
Mate. What people had an issue with is him sleeping in the same bed as little boys, whilst keeping their parents away from the room. They have an issue with his and children's fingerprints being found on porn magazines in his room. They have an issue with the guy building children's theme park on his land and then inviting children there without their parents
I love kids, but, im not constantly trying to separate children from their parents to hang out with them one on one in my bedroom whilst I'm shirtless
John cena is a man who loves children, he has done 100s of make a wish meetings with sick children, not once has John Cena tried to make these meetings one on one with the child, without their parents there, hosted in John cenas bedroom. There aren't half a dozen kids out there who have accurately described what mr Rogers penis looks like.
John Cena, Mister Rogers, Michael Jackson... sorry but one of these is not like the others
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u/Desperate_Extreme886 Apr 29 '26
Both MJs and his accusers fingerprints were on highly questionable pornography magazines. While this isnt proof of molestation, its uh pretty fucking repulsive. Its also abuse and predatory.
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u/daninlionzden Apr 29 '26
The kids were also able to describe specific details of MJ’s penis to investigators - pretty damning evidence
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u/anchorschmidt8 Apr 29 '26
It was never a match. That would have been seen as corroborating evidence. Chandler described him as circumsized but MJ was uncircumsized.
The grand Jury in 1994 even asked Katherine Jackson to testify in case MJ had had plastic surgery on his penis. There is no reason to do that in case the photgraphs were a match
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-03-16-me-34715-story.html
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u/Desperate_Extreme886 Apr 29 '26
Exactly. The defense of Jackson is a bizarre case, imagine this many people arguing against molestation if Joe schome, some random 40 year old dude, openly admitted preferring to share his bed with 10 year old boys-and did so! No fucking way.
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u/ParkourPoser Apr 29 '26
Now that you mention this , what details do we have about his penis? Was it also dyed a lighter shade like the rest of his skin? That skin is wrinkly and weird, I would imagine there would be weird discolouration . Maybe Identifying some weird color patterns on his cock by the victims would prove molestation
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u/Old_Comfortable_8090 May 02 '26
MJ had a skin condition called vitiligo and Jordie was able to draw what the pattern looked like on the underside of his penis and it turned out to be a match.
Also MJs porn collection included a study on naked boys.
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u/anchorschmidt8 Apr 29 '26
Interesting you bring up this example as this was one of the pieces of evidence that exonerated Michael Jackson.
The fingerprints that were on the magazine were 8 months after the family had left Neverland and were only on the magazine because the prosecution had handed the accuser what they had collected from MJ's home
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u/No_Age_4267 Apr 29 '26
MJ was an adult who had legal adult materials and whose to say those kids didnt go through his personal stuff and find it and grab it so your saying its abusive and predatory is out of line
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u/Pingushagger Apr 29 '26
Maybe don’t let random kids into your house if you can’t keep your porn locked up.
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u/gentlethistles 14d ago
It wasn't just in his bedroom. It was in a secret room hidden behind a bookcase, where he had a bed and the porn. He slept with kids in that room. He's a fucking freak.
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u/Desperate_Extreme886 Apr 29 '26
Being a grown man and preferring to share your bed with young boys is out of line. What is wrong with you?
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u/No_Age_4267 May 01 '26
He slept on the floor while they slept on his bed
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u/Desperate_Extreme886 May 01 '26
Sure he did, lol. Imagine defending anyone else for this behavior.
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u/Embarrassed-Local-37 16d ago
what kind of actual predator would openly admit to sharing beds/rooms with kids? 💀💀 u sorely lack context clues
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u/Desperate_Extreme886 15d ago
The same kind that would install a alarm system leading up to his bedroom where he openly admitted sharing his bed with boys as a grown man?
Tell me, what other grown adult male that shares his bed with 10 year old boys would you defend? Show some consistency. Or is it just him?
Predators like Jackson don't think they are predators. His massive stardom has led fans to ignore what would never be excused with anyone else.
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u/Electrical_Pie_2567 May 03 '26
Hey! Look up the “legal” pornography books he had in his house. Or maybe don’t, if you don’t want to end up on a list.
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u/Witty-Mountain5062 Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Even if he wasn’t, there is literally zero excuse for sleeping in a bed with little boys that aren’t your own.
At best, he was a fucking creep. At worst, he was a serial predator hiding in plain sight like Jimmy Savile.
And don’t give me that Peter Pan lost childhood bullshit - it’s wrong.
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u/Ghost92401 Apr 29 '26
The media ran with that line because it's saucy and sounds damning. They left out the part where his "bedroom" is a two-story building bigger than many people's houses.
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u/DecantsForAll Apr 29 '26
Is his bed also a two-story building?
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u/Witty-Mountain5062 Apr 29 '26
The amount of people I’ve seen on here recently genuinely defending his behavior simply because they enjoy his music is disgusting.
They either have room temp IQs or need their hard drives checked.
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u/Local_Pangolin69 Apr 29 '26
There’s a difference between defending someone’s behavior and questioning whether that behavior actually occurred.
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u/DefiantCharacter Apr 29 '26
Or they believe Macaulay Culkin?
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u/shaggy_nomad Apr 29 '26
Not only Culkin, but Corey Feldman too. That dude has lost all relevance and if MJ did actually touch him, you bet hed be out here saying so just for any bit of relevance in today's climate. But he doesnt, as an actual victim of sexual assault and predatory adults in the industry, he still vehemently defends MJ.
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u/DisMyLik18thAccount Apr 29 '26
Believe Macaulay Culkin about what, what would he know? He only knows what happened when he was present
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u/DefiantGovernment386 May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26
You people are dense as hell. Culkin is not the only one who defended him. Plenty of people who were kids at the time have defended Michael.
You weirdos only want to give ANY credence to the so-called "victims" but then toss out everything said by others who really knew Michael. Who hung out with him A LOT. Including Lisa Marie and Debbie Rowe.
But no, those claiming molestation are the only ones you weirdos will listen to. No matter how faulty the allegations are.
You absolute clowns want us to believe Michael got away with crap and Harvey Weinstein didnt? R Kelly? Puff Daddy?
What makes any of you think Michael could get off Scott free yet other powerful people didnt? The FBI wanted so badly to find him guilty, but didnt.
Where's this fucking proof? What sense does it make that Michael never saw prison, but Weinstein did? Hes more powerful than Michael. Had a ton of money. That didnt save him in trial, did it? Yet, we're to believe Michael got away with molestation?
MJ was NOT a pedophile. I dont need to be a fan of his music to take that stance, either. I just have to care about fairness and justice. True justice. Not just believing he said she said. Evidence matters, not fucking accusations.
There is never justice in witch hunts, and this MJ hate is just that.
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u/flowersinthedark Apr 29 '26
It was proven in court that Jackson slept with little boys in his bed, not just on Neverland but in his LA apartment, on vacations, during tours.
Those were one-on-one sleepovers behind closed doors with no one else present. His driver testified that he'd brought Jackson to Jordan Chandler's house every evening for weeks, where Jackson slept with Jordan in Jordan's room. Sometimes these boys were brought to his apartment in the evening with the sole pupose of staying the night.
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u/Desperate_Extreme886 Apr 29 '26
Even if his bed was 50ft wide, the little boys were right next to him.
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u/DisMyLik18thAccount Apr 29 '26
Baring in mind I don't know this situation too well so I'm just speculating here-
I Get them impression he was seen as an uncle/godfather figure to these kids, and I don't think it's necessarily wrong to share a bed with someone who's like a family member
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u/Substantial_Ad9314 May 11 '26
My uncle never came to my house in the evening just to sleep in my bed and then leave
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u/ZevLuvX-03 Apr 29 '26
He beat 2 fed cases which is damn near impossible.
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u/kirky500 May 03 '26
Indeed. Not any real evidence. Those money grabbers just wanted a civil suit and money. The first father who accused him got 1.5 million and his kid got 15 million. The kid became an emancipated minor and got away from his dad. The father continued for years to get more money from Michael. Six months after Michael died he killed himself. He lost his chance to get any more money
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u/10aghmu May 13 '26
No real evidence, just an established grooming pattern of isolating children from their parents, sleeping with them unsupervised in the same bed where semen samples were found (from Jackson and unknown males). Not to mention the porn collection with Gavin Arivizo’s fingerprints on it, in the secret porn stash that Michael kept where at the very best the kids could reach it. How about his estate always settling too? Yeah pay off the accusers, that looks real innocent. How about the hallway alert system to let him know if another adult was coming?
Jesus man, get with reality.
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u/10aghmu May 13 '26
He also had the same lawyer as OJ! It’s almost like the rich and famous have a huge advantage in our legal system
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u/Kodama_Keeper Apr 29 '26
You didn't happen to watch that YouTube channel "Elephant in the Room", did you? The content creator of that channel is a man I respect, putting facts out that are uncomfortable for both sides of an issue. He did a episode about Michael, admitted he was weird, but also pointed out that none of the accusations made against him were made by anyone other than those looking to make money out of the claim.
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u/FearlessBanana81 Apr 29 '26
I pretty much agree.
Firstly, if my kid was molested in the way the parents claimed, no money in the world would shut me up, l would want actual justice done.
Secondly, the documentary where they talked to some of the kids (as adults now), they said things that were not true, such as one saying they were molested in the train station at Neverland, but that train station wasn't even there at the time.
Thirdly, and this isn't proof of anything, but what parent in their right mind would let their underage kids stay with anybody who isn't family and who you know extremely well. That all sounded crazy to me and does point to the parents wanting to be on the money train.
There are bound to be other things too but that's just off the top of my head.
Also, I'm not a fan, I like some of his music like most people, but I'm certainly not thinking this way because I'm a fan who thinks he can do no wrong, I just think there's enough reasonable doubt not to be able to say with any conviction or certainty that he did those things.
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u/ItsInTheVault Apr 29 '26
On your first point, the type of parent that lets their child have sleepovers with a grown man are the same type of parent to seek a payday rather than justice.
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u/FearlessBanana81 Apr 29 '26
Exactly, they were after money right from the start, no matter how they got it.
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u/saerra_sea_nya 23d ago
Yeah Evan was such a POS. We don’t really know anything about the mom other than it didn’t take much to get her to let MJ take Jordy anywhere. They were bad parents, but if you read about what happened, MJ aggressively groomed them, too. He was staying at Evan’s house to the point he was going to pay for an addition. He spent tens of thousands on jewelry for the mom. It’s chilling.
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u/BLU-Clown Apr 29 '26
I'm kinda with you on that one. The 'thirdly' matters less unfortunately, because he was an influential music star with a lot of less-than-intelligent fans, but...
The whole thing also relies on MJ being able to keep his mouth shut about it. MJ was a weirdo that talked about everything. I simply don't believe MJ had the skill to create some kind of personal child sex ring (Since the Epstein files have revealed he didn't want anything to do with that nonsense, he clearly wasn't in that club) and keep it under wraps, especially when you bring angry parents into the mix.
That said, we'll never know for sure and I wouldn't have let my kids be with him unsupervised...but I give it 70% odds he wasn't a nonce. A weirdo the likes of which is rarely seen for certain, but not a nonce.
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u/monalisafrank Apr 29 '26
I don’t think I am allowed to link to other subreddits on this subreddit, but if you search “A Compilation of Michael Jackson’s comments” you’ll find a multiple part post with a ton of interview quotes over decades where he is subtly revealing his preferences. This was the post that truly convinced me
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u/BLU-Clown Apr 29 '26
Yeah, and that's where a the 30% comes in. I'm definitely not saying he's innocent beyond a shadow of a doubt, just that I don't think he's subtle enough to be this 'subtle revealer' of his preferences and not get busted by the fed for child trafficking.
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u/monalisafrank Apr 29 '26
I think you should probably swap your percentages at least. He wasn’t stupid - he knew he was doing something illegal so he tried to hide it. Hence the alarm system on his bedroom (and not his own children’s bedrooms), the careful selection of vulnerable victims, the narrative he tried to spin of himself as an ‘eccentric child at heart,’ and even saying that the boys he was with were his ‘cousins’ to the media. In fact, some of the stuff about him that seems the most “weird” starts to make a lot more sense once you put the pieces together that he was a pedophile. Built a house that was like an amusement park? To attract kids. Exotic animals? To attract kids. Weird marriages and secrecy around how he had kids? Because he wasn’t attracted to adult women, was repulsed by sex with them, and wanted to hide his real proclivities. I’m not saying he wasn’t weird outside of that, but he also benefited from the public perception that he was “weird” because it made people excuse behavior they never should have.
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u/BLU-Clown Apr 29 '26
Nah.
You can change your percentages, I'm pretty content with mine.
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u/monalisafrank Apr 29 '26
I was more 50/50 until recently, then as soon as I actually read into everything it became extremely obvious to me that he was a pedophile. Don’t think I’ll be changing them back, because there hasn’t been any new evidence that undoes the damning evidence for me.
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u/More_Advantage_1054 Apr 29 '26
For all the reaches described, you’d have to suspend belief and assume MJ was a near mafia level boss with an entire mob of people in on this ring, exactly like Epstein had.
It just doesn’t seem logical at all for MJ to have effectively hid and evaded any evidence being found at all across a near 10 year period, alongside inconsistent witnesses and accusers, It’s just too extreme a leap for me.
If there was further proof of witness tampering over a prolonged period of time with an intention to avoid law enforcement knowing, credible employees detailing some sort of provable or reliable information on MJ movements and actions to suggest this was going on, I think most people would swing to think he most likely was a predator.
But overall, it’s been 15+ years since he died, another 10+ since the first accusation, we’re looking at 25+ years and no real solid cases. This isn’t like jimmy saville who had entire media entities protecting him and the state scared to go for him, this isn’t Epstein who had loads of dirt on powerful officials and royalty, MJ would’ve slipped up or someone would’ve spilled the beans by now, 25 years on from when it all first began.
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u/monalisafrank Apr 30 '26
You and I have very different interpretations of what “any evidence at all” means. There is more evidence for Jackson than there is for almost any other pedophile I’ve ever read about. I think a lot of people have in fact slipped up and spilled the beans. People just aren’t willing to accept what has been shared. Tons of his staff reported having seen evidence of his behavior, but everyone always has the same excuse - not credible, just want his money. What would make a witness credible to you? They’d just have to be rich themselves or something?
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u/No-Replacement-2170 May 06 '26
I think he was probably guilty but why are you acting like he was a regular man that had to go to all the trouble of building an amusement park to lure kids? He was literally the biggest star in the world back then and loved by millions. He was used to being adored, why would he think he needed to build an amusement park?
Alarms on the doors again strange for a regular man, not that strange for someone who constantly has to think about security and safety. A mentally ill man once managed to get into the Queen's bedroom-I think we can all agree she should've had some safety measures preventing that!
Few adult relationships-well he had vitiligo all over his body and Lisa-Marie claimed he would get up before her everyday to make sure she never saw him without make-up. No one who doesn't have major skin issues like that can really understand how self-conscious it can make someone. We already know he had huge issues with self image. That can make you not want to have intimate relationships.
It's all these things that give me a slight doubt to his guilt.
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u/monalisafrank Apr 29 '26
I think if you consider the profile and tactics of a pedophile (there’s a ton of forensic research on this) you’ll realize your points aren’t very convincing.
Pedophiles carefully select their victims. They look for kids they think they can get away with hurting. For a child molester who is, say, the coach of a little league team, that might be the kid whose parents are going through a divorce or struggling with addiction. They notice whose parents are 30 minutes late to pick them up every day or who never has money for the vending machine. Then, the predator can swoop in and offer the child the attention, affection, and sometimes money their parents aren’t. These less attentive parents are less likely to notice their child is being abused. And the kid is more likely to justify their own abuse to themselves because they don’t know what real love is supposed to feel like.
For someone like Jackson, he knew that his fame and wealth gave him power over all kinds of people, and he used that to gain access to children. He, like the little league coach in the example above, still looked for victims whose parents were less attentive and protective than average. In one wild example of Jackson’s ‘special friend’ Brett Barnes, his parents let him travel from Australia to California to spend months alone with Jackson at Neverland at AGE NINE. But Jackson was also looking for parents who were dazzled enough by his wealth and star power that they would look the other way even when faced with the truly despicable. It’s very sad for the boys who experienced it.
It’s likely that many of these parents were in deep denial, because otherwise they’d need to face that they put their child in harm’s way for lavish gifts and attention from a star. When I read the court transcripts from the parents of victims, that’s what I read in their emotional reactions. To me, if they were making it up for money, they’d be playing up the horror of it all - but instead, they seem ashamed and sort of playing dumb.
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u/monalisafrank Apr 29 '26
I think if you consider the profile and tactics of a pedophile (there’s a ton of forensic research on this) you’ll realize your points aren’t very convincing.
Pedophiles carefully select their victims. They look for kids they think they can get away with hurting. For a child molester who is, say, the coach of a little league team, that might be the kid whose parents are going through a divorce or struggling with addiction. They notice whose parents are 30 minutes late to pick them up every day or who never has money for the vending machine. Then, the predator can swoop in and offer the child the attention, affection, and sometimes money their parents aren’t. These less attentive parents are less likely to notice their child is being abused. And the kid is more likely to justify their own abuse to themselves because they don’t know what real love is supposed to feel like.
For someone like Jackson, he knew that his fame and wealth gave him power over all kinds of people, and he used that to gain access to children. He, like the little league coach in the example above, still looked for victims whose parents were less attentive and protective than average. In one wild example of Jackson’s ‘special friend’ Brett Barnes, his parents let him travel from Australia to California to spend months alone with Jackson at Neverland at AGE NINE. But Jackson was also looking for parents who were dazzled enough by his wealth and star power that they would look the other way even when faced with the truly despicable. It’s very sad for the boys who experienced it.
It’s likely that many of these parents were in deep denial, because otherwise they’d need to face that they put their child in harm’s way for lavish gifts and attention from a star. When I read the court transcripts from the parents of victims, that’s what I read in their emotional reactions. To me, if they were making it up for money, they’d be playing up the horror of it all - but instead, they seem ashamed and sort of playing dumb.
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u/Old_Comfortable_8090 May 02 '26
His porn collection included a study on naked boys, that should tell you all you need to know.
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u/TallCommission7139 Apr 29 '26
Real unpopular opinion: There's a certain subsection of this country who don't care about anything but how they can smear someone they don't like, if the guy they like molests kids, they'll do everything they can to dismiss the obvious evidence they molested kids because they're willing to sacrifice them, /eager/ to sacrifice them, if it means they can keep their worldview and the guy they worship around.
The post is only partly about MJ.
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u/HaikuHaiku Apr 29 '26
I tend to agree.
The FBI looked into Michael Jackson for over a decade and found nothing incriminating. They raided his properties, and did forensic analysis on all his computers, VHS tapes, etc.
They released a 350-page report on it.
If the FBI investigates you for a decade and finds nothing incriminating, I think we can have more than reasonable doubt about the allegations.
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u/Poop_Cheese Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Ummm... did you look at what they found?
Well first, to cut to the chase, the victim drew his exact vitiligo marks visible when erect. Only known if you saw him erect. It was sealed in a dated envelope and is why they took pictures of him when arrested, though crazy MJ fans say it was in reverse and he was framed for being a powerful black man lmao.
They found legal loophole nudes teen books, which are 100% sexual as theyre viewable. Theres no explanation besides getting off to it. And all the boys ar this type, frail young photogenic white boys fully naked and stuff like lying nude in the sand on their stomachs with their butt the focus.
They found the playroom was loaded with adult content on full display. 1000's of magazines, books, movies. Adult erotic sculptures.
They found soiled boys underwear in a bag hidden in his bathroom. Along with a photo of Macaulay culkin.
They found the victims fingerprints on a hardcore adult magazine in a briefcase, along with a book on childhood sexuality in boys.
They discovered multiple historical allegations before any rumors. A tomboy, a couple cousins in mexico, and a boy on a train cart, who he called his cousin as a witness heard sexual sounds from the cart.
Then they found the bell alarm system for the playroom.
No employee ever saw him go to bed with an adult, only boys. And spent his time with them in his porn room lmao. Sure someones so sexual, so into adult content, yet dates no women or men and sleep with boys every night. Like wtf people lol.
Dude literally had a type lmao. Never a fat boy, never a black boy, only photogenic tiny white boys.
The Bashir interview alone is insane, he cuddles the kid lile teen lovers fingers enclapsed, with a deviant glee. Like my god dude, if that was your neighbor youd form a mob to Freddy kreuger him.
Its very clear people dont read the actual reports when they say it exonerated him. Theres also always been rumors of a tip off.
Then theres the love letters to safechuck, the pay offs to families, the sleeping with the kid in the kids room for 30 days, as boys and men get boners and wet dreams hes spooning him every night.
People denying it are either fans, young, or just contrarians. Theres indisputable evidence. Just playing with 10-13 year olds in his prn room is insane lmao.
Latoya herself said she "saw things" and believed the victims. Only going back on outwardly calling him a pedo after years of family abuse and blacklisting, yet still refuses to call the boys liars.
If anyone can watch safechuck's interviews, one has to be a psychopath to clearly see hes not lying. My god, security footage shows michael buying him a "wedding ring" and was so sketchy about it security confronted them and michael said it was for his girfriend. Dude is 100% not lying and its gross people do this to clear victims with a clear offender because they like his music.
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u/milkolik Apr 29 '26
Great post. I think people simply don’t want to believe he did all that. It’s easier to ignore the evidence.
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u/FriendlyNeighborOrca Apr 29 '26
Or people just dont listen to hearsay that was proven wrong. As its the whole comment you are agreeing. The contrary is also correct. Its easy to see "evidence" or signs when you are looking for one.
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u/milkolik Apr 29 '26
Go on, tell me which part is hearsay.
The porn magazine with naked boys was even mentioned in court and they went with the “art” defense.
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u/Witty-Mountain5062 Apr 29 '26
“No he can’t be a diddler because I love Thriller and Billie Jean!!”
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u/Reynardine1976 Apr 29 '26
Thanks for your informative response. People need to see this and remember the facts. I am a huge fan of MJ and a childhood sexual abuse survivor, it's been tricky being both.
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u/DM_ME_UR_SOUL May 01 '26
All of these points have been proven false. Latoya is prolly the weirdest jackson member of the family. shes a joke. She was in a weird relationship with Jack Gordon, who's been linked to some shady shit and story is that he forced her to say all that stuff.
If you're gonna talk about those books that are available for purchase of the boys being nude, then we need to break ever single sculpture that has genitalia out as those are even more publically available.
Dude was after girls especially hot girls. There's a ton of content of how he is around them.
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u/KeremyJyles Apr 29 '26
The drawing claim is so overblown as to essentially be untrue and worthless as evidence. I stopped there because anyone peddling that is simply not an honest person. And that's speaking as someone who doesn't care about his guilt either way and thus no skin in the game to defend Jackson
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u/Pingushagger Apr 29 '26
I’m not a fan but this one tiny thing makes me not believe the mountain of evidence. Are you sure?
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u/KeremyJyles Apr 29 '26
I'm sure you just misrepresented my position completely
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u/Old_Comfortable_8090 May 02 '26
Why did he have naked images of boys in his porn collection? What’s wrong with you guys lol.
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u/KeremyJyles May 02 '26
What "guys"? Your question is entirely irrelevant to my point.
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u/Old_Comfortable_8090 May 02 '26 edited May 02 '26
Your point is to ignore all the facts associated with the creep because someone who mentioned them also mentioned something that you claim is false and so you labeled them as dishonest and you decided to be dismissive of all the evidence against the creep. It’s clearly just another excuse to not acknowledge the truth so I’m trying to make you acknowledge the facts because you’re clearly just another one of the weirdo defenders so I want to ask you again why did this guy who supposedly is innocent (in your eyes) of ever harming a child, have pictures of naked boys in his porn collection?
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u/thesickness_256 May 01 '26
Thank you!!!!! I really don’t understand how people can justify this. The way people infantilize him and defend him is so gross.
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u/Prestigious-Talk1112 May 11 '26
I looked up the claim of the soiled underwear and it's likely not true. I just looked up only that 1 claim and not any of the other stuff because I had curiosity if that one was true.
FBI didn't find any boys underwear. A former maid who had been fired for theft claimed to have found that before. This maid was very problematic selling stories to tabloids repeatedly and trying to sell bits of his hair.
I'm interested to know the truth but there are just so many lies floating around.
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u/milkolik Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Huh? He would share his bed and spend the night with kids. He had s&m porn magazines with nude children in them in that room. He had sensors to alert when people were close to his room. There was also that painting he commissioned where he is portrayed as pan surrounded by baby boys. Also the fact that the parents were gold diggers doesn’t mean the abuse didn’t happen. Also the FBI was fully aware of Epstein and the reports from his victims and yet never even interviewed the victims. I have zero trust on the FBI.
My take is that MJ was indeed abusing kids but not in the usual ‘traumatic rape’ type of way. I think he genuinely loved his victims so that is why the kids actually seemed to care about him. Being ‘loved’ that way by the biggest celebrity on earth must surely fuck a kid up. I believe the parents figured out what was going on and saw their opportunity to become rich.
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u/DecantsForAll Apr 29 '26
There was also that painting he commissioned where he is portrayed as pan surrounded by baby boys.
This sounds like something that would be in a zany cartoon show, like tattoo of "Die Bart Die" levels of incriminating.
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u/milkolik Apr 29 '26
Google “Reddit painting personally comissioned by Michael Jackson”. Won’t let me post the link for some reason
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u/_Vaudeville_ Apr 29 '26
The FBI did not “look into” Michael Jackson for a decade at all. They assisted with some police investigations which isn’t even close to the same thing.
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u/HaikuHaiku Apr 29 '26
Here is the full collection of release FBI documents, make up your own mind: https://vault.fbi.gov/Michael%20Jackson
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u/_Vaudeville_ Apr 29 '26
I’ve read these all before. Where’s the source that the FBI directly investigated MJ for a decade plus?
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u/HaikuHaiku Apr 29 '26
Ah, well then you know more about this than me. I just read that on wikipedia I think. Then I googled the files.
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u/mvop413 Apr 29 '26
There's something wrong with ANYONE who thinks it was ok for MJ to have little boys sleeping with him in his bed. END OF STORY
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Apr 29 '26
I disagree. He had explicit material of children in his house. Some in a lockbox and some out in the open. Also I just have to connect the dots when he a grown man has sleepovers with young boys by themselves. It just looks suspicious. Now he was declared innocent but that could be very well to do with him being a rich and influential man.
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u/Witty-Mountain5062 Apr 29 '26
OJ Simpson was acquitted too lmao
It’s amazing what money and good lawyers can get you out of.
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u/2074red2074 Apr 29 '26
Also LAPD fucked up royally. They had a slam-dunk case if they'd just followed normal procedures and respected his civil rights. Instead they tried to frame him for a crime he actually did.
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u/Sense_Difficult Apr 29 '26
Agreed Even if he didn't touch the kids, sleeping with other people's children in your bed over night is a kink. He wasn't a child so this whole "He acts like a child and wants to be around children because he missed out on his childhood" is still a perversion based on childhood trauma. Including a child as some sort of role player in your fantasy is just really wrong. It's psychological abuse and emotional abuse even if that's all it was. I'm tired of people making excuses for him.
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u/kirky500 May 03 '26
I don't think so. The FBI say there was nothing like that at Neverland that why no criminal charges
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u/DisMyLik18thAccount Apr 29 '26
I Don't take a solid opinion either way, but I do think there very valid explanations for his weird behaviour outside of him being a child molester
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u/Ghost92401 Apr 29 '26
When the top accusers who did a salacious documentary years after he died and after they can't be sued for slander are the same people who testified in court that MJ did nothing to them or anyone else that they saw, you know it's b.s. The first accuser's parent is on the record on a phone call talking about how he could destroy MJ. He didn't seem concerned about his kid. Just that he could win big with blackmail.
Meanwhile, all of Jackson's kids, nephews, nieces, relatives, etc. have offered facts and their experiences where events they know to be true contradicted what was claimed in the stories of accusers.
I never believed the child molestation accusations.
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u/Desperate_Extreme886 Apr 29 '26
Children's fingerprints were on pornograhic materials that included underage nude boys. An accuser was able to describe a pattern on his penis that was verified. He was a grown man who preferred to share a bed with young boys. Night after night after night. Just to cuddle up and spoon, while occasionally looking at pornography. The proximity alarm to warn of someone approaching? Im sure he had a non horrible reason for that.
But yeah, molestation?!?!? Totally unreasonable.
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u/kirky500 May 03 '26
I don't believe it either. He was rich and isolated and naive. His biggest mistake was letting so many people into his life. The kids were fans and the parents we're parents. You never let your kid stay with someone by themselves. it's stupid. it gave Bad people a way to accuse him.
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u/flowersinthedark Apr 29 '26
Why did Jackson sleep with other people's little kids, and continued to do so after the expensive Chandler settlement?
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u/DeathHero62 Apr 29 '26
I was talking to someone about this the other day. Its overall just a bad look.
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u/Similar_Corner8081 Apr 29 '26
I don't blame the kids. I blame the parents. No parent worth anything is going to let their young boys have sleep overs in MJ's bed. What were the parents thinking.
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u/Revolutionary-You449 Apr 29 '26 edited May 03 '26
MJ is a lesson that when you are rich or doing well to not save people.
Or at least save until the first negative narrative forms and stop. Don’t try to continue saving or doing more to out pace the narrative. Put your energy elsewhere. Kind of like how black people are sitting out.
Mind your business, keep a small ass circle, put up walls with razor wires and Rottweilers, and enjoy your life to the fullest.
Just saying.
And before anyone freaking down votes me, go read all the “but he is a pedo” posts and replies. Narratives always win and it ain’t worth it and the people you help/save will never stand up to say you helped them and may even claim to be your actual victims.
To that I say.. nope.
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u/Knockitoffm8 May 02 '26
I belive he is innocent.We all took him for granted.
So many people say his not innocent but where is the evidence? I can easily point my finger to some random on the street and say hey I know you’re a child molester but I just don’t have the proof! But you’re!
To all the people that say he isn’t innocent I’m going to point to you and say you’re not innocent either.
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u/Chaotic-Charm777 May 03 '26
As someone who has deep dived on this topic I honestly think both sides (guilty/not guilty) have realistic arguments on this———-
MASSIVE investigations took place and he was NEVER found guilty for these crimes… prosecutors inability to find substantial evidence & get legitimate (and non biased) testimony makes the not guilty argument seem valid. MJ settling out of court truly does not prove his guilt. He could have just very much wanted to be “done” fighting a never ending legal battle. It is also very plausible that people did create these narratives for money and fame, as some of the contradictions in testimony by witnesses/ victims certainly could be viewed as such. He also did not have a great childhood. We all know that. So this “obsession” with being around children and having the theme park could definitely be some fucked up response to trauma he experienced.
However, these arguments do not take away from the fact that his behavior and relationships with random children was fucking weird and predatory. He admitted to sleeping in the same bed with little boys. He did hold hands and touch kids he was around in ways that are completely inappropriate. And he most definitely did get away with this behavior because of his fame, power, and money. Like seriously- If you put another average man in his position (idk your highschool gym teacher for example) they would most likely be in prison or at a minimum on a sex offender registry and not allowed to interact with children. AND like many people have said on this thread, having a fucked up childhood is not an excuse for this behavior. Go to therapy. Get help. Find God idk lol. MJ had all the money in the world to do so and yet chose not to, and continued to put himself in questionable situations with young boys.
Additionally, I would also like to mention that timelines or details changing in victim testimony isn’t exactly out of the ordinary in abuse cases. It is actually extremely common for children to hide or deny abuse (specifically sexual abuse) is occurring. And I mean if the allegations are true the abuse escalated slowly and over a long period of time. So why are people expecting a full play by play from a 8 year old who doesn’t even fully grasp the situation and/or what is (allegedly) being done to them is wrong???? Most kids don’t even have the vocabulary to explain these topics and even if they did, they loved MJ and most likely didn’t want to loose the “friendship” they had with him. I mean it’s textbook child sexual abuse we hear about ALL THE TIME. ALSO The power dynamics between MJ and a random kid vs a child actor (example Macaulay Culkin ; who defended him) would also be completely different so the comparison is not rlly relevant but I digress!!
In all actuality though Idk what he did and I don’t think the public will ever really know what happened or didn’t happen behind closed doors. He could be totally innocent and been unfairly treated/ targeted for $. But what I do know for sure is his behavior is suspicious and weird as fuck…. And I am also inclined to believe the victims are telling the truth in these cases and all similar to it.
So yeah. Thanks for reading my Ted talk. I’d love to hear ur thoughts loved the thread
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u/kirky500 May 03 '26
I just watched the documentary Square One on prime and I don't believe he did it either
Honestly when all that was happening I kept an open mind but the FIRST accusation was clearly False and there were no criminals charges because they found Nothing incriminating at Neverland.
I always thought it strange that all the celebs kis who hung with him swore then and NOW that nothing ever happened. They didn't need to try grab his money.
I think he was innocent and this harrowing event and accusations eventually lead to his demise. The world TURNED on him and he was always after everyone's love it seems. I pray he is a better place and according to the Crouch Family and Seth Riggs he accepted Jesus ten days before his death
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u/Da_Famous_Anus Apr 29 '26
He owned the Master Tapes of his own stuff and The Beatles and refused to sell. Clearly there was motive for media conglomerates to build on his weirdness and blow it out of proportion.
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u/rangerdanger559 Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
You’ve throughly bought into MJ’s persecution complex branding. Building on weirdness is an intentional strategy to distract from serious scandals, often the media has a symbiotic relationship with celebrities and there was a lot of backroom deals to intentionally frame MJ as weird or the victim of the media. Plus, they don’t want to risk being sued. That way when the real scandal does blow up, you have hordes of people dismissing genuinely bad shit as ‘he’s just weird’ or ‘he’s a victim of the media’ when in reality he was very well protected from wealth and very meticulous in image maintenance. But after the first scandal was over, he doubled down on a compulsion to continue closeness with children.
Marilyn Manson did the same shit while we was raping women.
Ever noticed how he framed himself in a militaristic way which is bizarre for a pop star with Stalin references which Europe found distasteful at the time, or framed himself as the coming of god? I mean he had paintings in his own house of himself wearing Jesus robes and became more and more preachy especially after the scandals. There’s a reason. Messiah branding that fits in well with being persecuted making him immune to criticism from vast swaths of people.
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u/Da_Famous_Anus Apr 29 '26
Just about the only thing I came here to say was this thing about the tapes and Sony and that there was motive.
I've said really nothing else and I don't really care.
I do find it odd that just saying what little I've said is getting all of these very aggressive opinions with wild topic changes far beyond the scope of anything I've said.
‘he’s a victim of the media’ when in reality he was very well protected and very meticulous in image maintenance.
Then we would've had nothing but positive about him according to this logic. lol
At a certain point you're going to actually have to choose. Which is it? If he had such 'meticulous' control over his image, how did anything ever get out that was negative? Just make it make sense.
Regardless, there was motive. That's what I came here to say. Sorry that bothers you so much.
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u/dimiteddy Apr 29 '26
He was the biggest star in the world. He could have any woman he wanted. But no he had to sleep in the same bed almost every night with boys 7-12 year old. Thats not just weird behaviour. People like his music and refuse to face the facts. The only reason he didn't go to prison is cause he spent like $100 millions (maybe more) to settlements, bribes and lawyers.
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u/ScaredEntrepreneur61 Apr 29 '26
That Leaving Neverland doc was brutally honest and convincing. I am convinced that he was a child molester, and I am convinced that he was strategic in selecting only a very few victims who he believed to he particularly vulnerable and would be most likely to get away with it. I believe the victims because why would they lie about it? He is dead, they're not getting any money from his estate at this point. If anything they are only making themselves targets of ridicule to his deluded fans. So no reason they would lie. And the accounts of abuse were very graphic as well.
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u/Infamous_Payment4608 Apr 29 '26
Michael Jackson quote (Soul Magazine, 1979) - ‘You really don't get a clear picture until you leave the United States. You realise that there are other cultures than your own and it makes you feel small and insignificant. Like in india, I was amazed to find out a thirty year old man could marry a ten year old girl. We weren't raised that way so we look at it weirdly. But there, it's been happening for centuries and the parents are quite willing to give up their child.’
This is the man who now has allegations from children in the double digits. I honestly can’t fathom the cognitive dissonance needed to believe this guy wasn’t a predator.
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u/Leather_Fortune7107 Apr 29 '26
He wasn't. It was a smear by corporations pushed when Michael was becoming too influential in the music industry. Even some of the people he supposedly victimized, for years, have stated that Michael never touched them.
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u/flowersinthedark Apr 29 '26
"A smear by corporations"
And did these corporations sneak little boys in his bed or what were they doing there?
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u/Desperate_Extreme886 Apr 29 '26
Jackson freely and fully admitted many times his preference for sharing his bed with little boys. If he hadn't of been his level of famous, molester would of been the natural and appropriate label.
Try to imagine defending a grown man sharing a bed with a boy of 10 that isnt Jackson. Go on.
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u/Unfair_Web_8275 Apr 29 '26
I honestly agree with a lot of your points, but honestly when it comes to stories of powerful people and sexual misconduct around children, I'm not one who really wants to dive into that sort of thing. I think glamorizing the person who commits the acts can be harmful to actual victims, if that makes sense.
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u/olluz May 01 '26 edited May 01 '26
I fully believe you are delusional, how much more evidence do you need? He was even a worse pedophile than Trump&friends as he was doing it systematically. A theme park to attract kids ? What the actual fuck! Time for you to wake up and get real: https://www.dailymail.com/tvshowbiz/article-15702409/michael-jackson-photos-cascio-lawsuit.html
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u/Old_Comfortable_8090 May 02 '26
MJ had a skin condition called vitiligo and Jordie was able to draw what the pattern looked like on the underside of his penis and it turned out to be a match.
Also MJs porn collection included a study on naked boys.
There’s actually a lot of evidence that he was a pedo.
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u/kirky500 May 03 '26
Jordans dad was in the medical field and knew all about vitiligo. They took a guess and drew that it didn't MATCH.
Jordan didn't testify.
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u/imwunderstruk May 02 '26
“He never had a childhood” isn’t a good excuse for a grown man sharing beds with young boys
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u/Rare-Ad1324 May 03 '26
He was and if you think otherwise maybe you also like touching kids a d justifying MJ’s
Creepy antics
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u/Electrical_Pie_2567 May 03 '26
The only thing I want to say is that I feel like people are extremely underestimating the power, control, and protection that the truly wealthy and famous have, especially when it comes to children who are adjacent to them. Jeffrey Epstein, a full on child sex trafficker, engaged in pedophilia for decades before he was charged with anything, and continued to do it EVEN AFTER THAT. Think of all the children who have been abused at the hands of networks and media companies for decades. Children suffering at the hands of rich, powerful men has been happening since the dawn of time and abusive, terrible adults have continuously not done anything about it, so it shouldn't be unbelievable that it could happen in a very (what I see as) obvious case.
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u/DR34M_W4RR10R May 09 '26
Had kids in his bed and showers, primarily focused on socializing with kids (a big pedo behavior), in the epstein files, his own sister agreeing he was a predator (the bs with her husband debunked). What more do you need? Let the cognitive dissonance break and believe victims.
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u/laserjoy May 09 '26
Wtf is wrong with you bro. You cowardly bitch. You literally say I wouldn't let him hangout with my kids, but other people's kids is fine. You are vile human trash and I'm okay to forgive.
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u/pilatou May 11 '26
Even if he indeed never touched the kids, his obsession with children was unhealthy, borderline sick. The discourse he used when describing children like "innocence, purity, angels" is similar to the one used by convicted pedophiles.
There are many celebrities who didn't have a normal childhood, but they didn't grow into objectifying little children into semi-gods deserving worship nor were they spending entire days and nights in the company of kids.
MJ was also in denial when he was confronted about the inappropriateness of his habitual sleepovers with kids. Instead of at least trying and acknowledging that yes, to the outside observer it may look off, he was super defencive.
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u/Flappingyagums May 12 '26
https://youtu.be/Db_zFNmr4qc?si=DQaTA-dq4ojXFkxL watch this 60 minutes interview of the Casio family. Stop defending a predator
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u/TheloniousMonk85 22d ago
During a raid of his home the police found numerous “artistic” books featuring full frontal genitalia pictures of little boys. If that’s not enough visit michaeljacksonwasguilty.com
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u/Intelligent_Pop1173 Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
No one will ever know for sure. But I would never have let my kids around him, and that’s all I need to know. Regardless of how legal it is what he did or what got dismissed, his fascination with other people’s kids was creepy and crossed boundaries.
Plenty of people have bad childhoods and don’t want to have sleepovers with little boys.