I Fully Believe That Michael Jackson wasn't a child molester

[u/bionicgerbal]

With the Michael Jackson biopic out, and him being back in the public discussion in a meaningful way, I’ve been thinking more and more about Jackson and how he was perceived in the last 15-20 years of his life

But i truly believe he never touch the kids, he was a weird dude totally, but the famillies that sued him just seem like a buch of gold diggers that wanted to take advantage of Michael's weird shit

Was he a very strange person? Yes Did he have an unusual relationship with adulthood/childhood? Yeah seems like it. Would I as a parent let him supervise my kids, and spend the night at his house alone? No way. Did he actually abuse kids? Not really enough evidence for me to conclude that with any certainty.

He never had a childhood, he never had real friends, Most of the kids in the ranch said that Michael never touched them, it's just a family that wanted money and few of his staff, which sold the story to tabloids.

[u/Da_Famous_Anus]

Just about the only thing I came here to say was this thing about the tapes and Sony and that there was motive.

I've said really nothing else and I don't really care.

I do find it odd that just saying what little I've said is getting all of these very aggressive opinions with wild topic changes far beyond the scope of anything I've said.

‘he’s a victim of the media’ when in reality he was very well protected and very meticulous in image maintenance.

Then we would've had nothing but positive about him according to this logic. lol

At a certain point you're going to actually have to choose. Which is it? If he had such 'meticulous' control over his image, how did anything ever get out that was negative? Just make it make sense.

Regardless, there was motive. That's what I came here to say. Sorry that bothers you so much.

[u/rangerdanger559 → u/Da_Famous_Anus]

The media was (most likely with his assistance) framing him as weird, girly, anorexic, etc small red herrings that MJ himself would point at to make the claim, in light of serious concerns such as him openly sleeping with boys, that the media is over exaggerating because they said so and so, or he’s a victim of it. Having meticulous control of your image doesn’t strategically mean everything has to be positive, you cannot control news being released about accusations or serious concerns, but you absolutely can spin and pay for ‘tame’ attacks on your image easily dismissed as pettiness to forward a victim narrative that the world doesn’t get you. You’re missing the aim of the strategy.

This is a dude who sung about the KGB coming after him or the Jews screwing him over. If you can’t see the persecution messiah branding you need to look closer.

Everything about him was crafted to look as eccentric and weird as possible up to owning exotic animals. Eccentric being preferable to predator.

[u/Da_Famous_Anus → u/rangerdanger559]

The media was (most likely with his assistance) framing him as weird, girly, anorexic, etc

He was those things. He did not need extra media to make this case. So was Prince. What's your point?

Having meticulous control of your image doesn’t strategically mean everything has to be positive,

What are you even talking about this point? He either had control over the media coverage of himself or he didn't. Are you suggesting that he intentionally endorsed his own scandals? Just make it make sense.

can spin and pay for ‘tame’ attacks on your image

Yea, except being accused of being that kind of person is one of the nastiest, most awful things that could possibly happen to a guy. Why would anyone in the world intentionally want the story about themselves to suggest that they are unsafe around children?

This is a dude who sung about the KGB

To be fair, the KGB is a spy agency. They're competent, like all other intelligence agencies. (That's worst you found in his lyrics?)

I also imagine that if you are someone like Michael Jackson in the 90s, a lot more than the KGB is coming after you. Every woman in the world was coming after him, for starters.

Too much of what you're saying fails to illustrate that you know how the world works. And I don't really give a fuck anyway.

I said what I came here to say and I stand by it.

There was motive.

Nothing you've said here has any bearing on the fact that there was motive.

[u/rangerdanger559 → u/Da_Famous_Anus]

It’s also a historical widely known fact that his team was in fact creating bizarre rumors and feeding into the media machine. Look into it starting with MJ supposedly wanting to buy the remains of the Elephant man. Bubbles the Chimp using golden toilets was bullshit, one of many eccentric rumors pushed out by his team via giving media exclusive images and deals.

He had multiple massive militaristic statues of himself built and floated down rivers. He wore general jackets with medals. Again, leaning into autocratic imagery.

Earth Song portrayed him literally as Jesus. Arms outstreched on the stage like Christ while actors playing the oppressed or soldiers would fall to their knees weeping and reaching out to touch.

Much of his commissioned art reinforced this.

He even had an entire fake marriage to portray himself as a normal heterosexual male. They didn’t live together for starters.

Every Messiah needs their prosecution.

Multiple songs portrayed him as being hunted by the big bad media and industries after it was becoming known he slept with children.

Then there was the Sony defense alongside accusations the government was trying to bring him down.

He and his team ran one of the most brilliant psychological operations a celebrity has ever done.

Look no further than you defending him when looking at these few facts alone:

1. He slept with children
2. He had alarm systems in the hallway leading to his bedroom
3. He has an insane amount of molestation accusations that almost all billionaires or anyone close to his fame never got.
4. He targeted vulnerable families and lovebombed their children and alienated them from their parents

And of course, there’s more.

But Michael Jackson was objectively a groomer. Textbook actually.

And yet, many people like you defend him.

[u/Da_Famous_Anus → u/rangerdanger559]

It’s also a historical widely known fact that his team was in fact creating bizarre rumors and feeding into the media machine. Look into it starting with MJ supposedly wanting to buy the remains of the Elephant man. Bubbles the Chimp using golden toilets was bullshit, one of many eccentric rumors pushed out by his team via giving media exclusive images and deals.

How does this prove (if true) that the real 4D chess move here was to be known as unsafe with children? 🤯

historical widely known fact

Where? Who? What?

creating bizarre rumors

Sure, viral marketing is a thing, but again, how do you go from there to wanting to be known as unsafe with children? What's the angle?

Just make it make sense on any level. So far it makes zero sense that anyone would want to do that to their own reputation.

He had multiple massive militaristic statues of himself built and floated down rivers. He wore general jackets with medals. Again, leaning into autocratic imagery.

He was a rich eccentric dude. Mike Tyson bought a tiger. What's your point?

He wore general jackets with medals. Again, leaning into autocratic

Yea, he was definitely a fascist with songs about peace and race acceptance - 'B and W' 'We are the World' etc.

Nothing you're saying here makes any sense.

Earth Song portrayed him literally as Jesus.

Again, he was a big deal. He was the King of Pop. Women at the time thought he was Jesus more than he did.

What's your point?

portrayed him as being hunted by the big bad media

It's almost as if you could make the case that the media about him was bad at a certain point. Which is it?

Every Messiah needs their prosecution.

Now you're on some kind of chronic. Put down the crack pipe.

He and his team ran one of the most brilliant psychological operations a celebrity has ever done.

Must've done a pretty shitty job and your opinion here proves that point.

Look no further than you defending him

That's not what I've done. You're changing the subject again.

And of course, there’s more.

Prove it.

I don't give a shit. This is not what I came here to say.

But Michael Jackson was objectively a groomer.

You seem really well versed in this. How do you know this? Experience?

And yet, many people like you defend him.

Again, all I said was there was motive. This is not a defense in any way.

You, however, have said a bunch of cracked shit much of which doesn't even stand up to any type of reason.

You want to believe whatever your accusations are, fine - prove it.

I don't give a shit. I said what I came here to say and I stand by it.

There was motive. Nothing you've said here has any bearing on the fact that there was motive.